My puppy is not eating and I'm not sure if it's because she hasn't been de-wormed. Please do not attack me, buyt this is a serious question.

Can her not eating be because she needs de-worming? I plan to get it on Friday.

Also she's looking really skinny as if I'm not taking care if her.

Your pup should still be being wormed every 2 weeks. How long has she not eaten for?Is she lively? What are her motions like? I would be taking her to a vet if it were longer than a couple of days ....better safe than sorry
Archer

What are you feeding her?  When was she last wormed?  What wormer are you using?

She has never been wormed.

The breeder was giving her Wheatabix in the morning, so for the first week of me having her she was eating that fine. The breeder also gave me SUPA DOG puppy dry food, which she hardly eats.

She used to eat the butchers puppy food but now she dont want it or the wheatabix. Yesterday she had scrambled eggs and that was it for the whole day.

She's very active.

When I first took her to the vets to get her injection the vet have her HILLS puppy food and she loved it. But I dont wanna get it and then she refuses to eat it.

Get her off the Weetabix, this is designed for humans not dogs.

Go into Pet shop and buy a packet of Naturediet, I am sure your dog will love it, and it is a very good food.

If you do not want to feed a wet food, if you go onto the Burns site on the web they will send you some free samples of food which your dog can try.

It is very unusual for a dog not to eat, has she been checked out by the vets?  It may be that the reason she is skinny and not eating is because of a  blockage or some other condition.

Get some proper wormer from the vet, not from the pet shop, and get her treated. She should have been wormed three times by 8 weeks (just before you brought her home), and will need worming every two weeks till 12 weeks, every month till 6 months then every 3 months thereafter.

Ok...

1.  Worm her.  You need to get a wormer from the vet.  Drontal + is the most effective wormer, which kills the most different kinds of worms.  If you don't want to get it from the vet, you can also order it online here (might be cheaper too): http://www.petvetcare.co.uk/acatalog/Drontal_Wormers.html

She should be wormed every 2 wks until she is 16 wks old, then every month until she is 6 months old.  After that, and for the rest of her life, she should be wormed every 3 months.

2.  Don't give her Wheatabix.  Dogs can't digest most of the cereals in this and it's not an appropriate food for a dog, containing zero meat.  Stop the Wheatabix completely.

3.  If you want to feed dry, the best dog foods are either Burns or James Wellbeloved.  You can buy James Wellbeloved in most pet shops.  You can also order both online - will post the link below.

If you want to feed wet, then Nature Diet is the best food.  You again should find that in most pet shops but it is more expensive than the above 2 dry foods.

www.burns-pet-nutrition.co.uk/
http://www.wellbeloved.co.uk/
www.naturediet.net

Don't worry about her not liking any of these 3 foods.  Most dogs, if you don't offer them anything else, will eat what YOU want them to eat.  Don't teach her to be a fussy eater by offering her other things if she doesn't eat her food.  That's like giving a kid chocolate if he won't eat his sprouts - he'll never eat his sprouts then!

Thank you alot guys
:)

((UPDATE UPDATE))

I got thr de-wormer from the vets today and he gave me a sample of HILLS, she loves it !! (well when she's eating out my hand)

I put some on her bowl mixed with puppy food but she wont eat it.

I wouldn't feed her Hills, whether she wants it or not.  Like I said on another thread, vets are often on commission to sell people Hills and they also receive negligible training in nutrition when at vet school.

The foods I mentioned above are all good foods and Burns and James Wellbeloved will also send you samples if you contact them.

However, a dog's willingness to eat a sample is often not indicative of its willingness to permanently eat the food, if that makes sense.  I've known lots of dogs who have wolfed down a sample and then refused the same food a week later so I don't quite get the sample idea.

Why not HILLS?

She likes the NATURES BEST.

If she is enjoying Hills why on earth shouldn't she be fed it.  OK vets charge quite a lot of "commission" but that is no different to any food suppliers mark up is it and as they are running a very small stock space generally the mark up is bound to be higher than a feed supplier with a decent amount of stock turnover.  I can't imagine this puppy is shifting enough to break the bank but I believe you can get non prescription Hills from other sources anyway.
This myth about vets not understanding nutrition always amuses me.  It would be impossible to study A&P without appreciating the effect of nutrients on growth, renewal, the organs etc.  Further more in practice they will very quickly appreciate the important of nutrition if they didn't before and are very likely to continue to review new sources of information via their journals, seminars etc that all vets are constantly in touch with.
The amount of time they spend reveiwing what is on offer in the market place is a totally separate thing and, quite rightly, is not dealt with in any great deapth in college.  It's hardly likely to remain current after all :)
I do agree though that a dogs willingness to eat something cannot be guaranteed to continue, infact if the dog has scored a success or two in getting you to provide something novel they will continue in pursuit of that line as often as they can get away with it.  I would choose a food that she has at least liked and some point and just stick with that until she appreciates that is dinner from now on :)

Personally, I don't believe Hills is a very good food.  I posted an analysis of the ingredients here on another post and don't really want to just repeat that here, but ebony if you look around the recent posts you will find it.

Knowing that a dog requires X amount of Vitamin A a day is very different to looking at what is provided by a food and making sure that there are no unwanted ingredients in it.  I don't doubt that most foods provide what is required and so vets probably believe them adequate - but they also provide ingredients which dogs cannot digest, which make dogs prone to food intolerances, which are artificial preservatives, additives, colours or flavouring, which are shaped and/or coloured for the appeal of the human not the dog and so on.  Yet, I'm sure that if you wanted to make sure that such a food provided the daily requirement of vitamin E, I'm sure it would.  That, unfortunately, does not make a good food and nutrition is not as simple as that.

Do you think vets so unintelligent to not realise that if a dog shows an intolerance or even worse an allergy that they should be seeking a food without the relevent ingredient?   If, however, you are not one of the unfortunate ones to own such a dog a food that meets all the nutritional requirements would be perfectly suitable, there is no such thing as meeting nutrional requirement over and above that, more of one vitamin or another does no good at all and infact can be extremely dangerous. 
I find the undigestable bits, ie fibre suits my dogs very well, in fact they have had constipation problems when I tried a food with less.  In addition a good bulky stool has proved the most effective at emptying anal glands but I suppose there will be others that it doesn't suit which is why I would never say feed this but don't feed that. 
I would also add that vets are in a very good position to evaluate whether the feeding requirements of the dog nation is being met, not only in their own practice but as published in their journals.  If the vast bulk of the dog nations is healthy and long lived, which it appears to be, as good scientists they will know not to waste any times picking over the ingredients that manufacturers are choosing to supply the necessary nutrients.  That is the sort of thing you leave to ancillary specialists such as nutritionists the science supplying the information regarding the requirements comes originally from the research of veterinary scientists.

I don't think vets are "unintelligent", but I do think that their training does not focus on this element of canine health and no, I would not take my vet's advice on nutrition without doing further research and deciding by looking at independent sources and through consulting others that I should go that route, no.

Of course if a dog shows an intolerance to an ingredient, which will be determined most accurately by a York blood test, that ingredient should be avoided.  However that is a bit simplistic, Isabel.  There are many situations when dogs are having adverse reactions to foods which are going unnoticed by their owners.  Slightly soft stools.  Dull coats.  Dandruff.  Copious amounts of faeces.  Scratching.  All of these are often reactions to food substances, which in the vast number of cases are ignored by owners because they are not extreme enough to be concerning and are all mild forms of discomfort, and because they have always been like that and the owners have never known any different and assume it is normal for that dog.  It's often not until such an owner switches to a food which contains no suspect ingredients that they realise that the previous food wasn't the ideal one for their dog.

I agree that too much of a vitamin can be dangerous, depending on the vitamin concerned.

By the "undigestible" I didn't refer to fibre, which of course all dogs need, but to nutrional components of foods which dogs are unable to absorb correctly or at all and which are just passed out the other end as faeces.

Unfortunately vets are funded by big industry.  They are funded at medical schools by big industry - medical schools are funded by big industry.  Medications and all canine health products are funded by big industry and so is almost all dog food.  I therefore wouldn't conclude that practising vets can evaluate independently that the nation's dogs are having their food needs met, when the studies and research into dogs foods are often funded by nothing other than dog food companies.

The research is not always funded by food companies.  Off the top of my head I can think of the MoreThan study on dog health.  I would imagine their motives would be pretty much the same as ours ie an interest in a long healthy life for our dogs and thus very little payouts. 
Do you really imagine people would not notice the symptoms you describe?  I'm more than confident I would and I don't really know anyone amongst my dog owning friends, who don't even take feeding to the interest we do, that wouldn't either.  Another reason I doubt very much that dogs generally are plodding on in this terrible condition is the fact that it would then seem so unlikely that they would be running at the longest longevity as a group that they have ever done. And don't forget very many people show their dogs with great success on these foods that you don't consider good enough, that would be impossible with poor coat or condition.
Not sure at all what term you are thinking for for undigested matter that passes straight through but it seems to me if it is doing the job of fibre, fibres is what it is.
I don't think vets are funded by industry.  As people keep pointing out they get a couple of lectures from the feed companies about what is available but their Anatomy. Physiology and Aetiology studies, where they will learn about the needs and effects of nutrients will come curtesy of the Dean.  Even if they did come via Industry like all good science graduates they will be as well equiped as anyone doing the most basic study skills course to properly evaluate research and information including analysing any bias within.  Given the extremely stringent admissions criteria and the level and length of their degree course I still struggle to believe that anyone can think that as a group they are unlikely to be able to appreciate or understand these matters any less than you or I.

I just wish I could be that naive and trusting, but unfortunately I can't.

I quote from "Food Pets Die For":

"We have all taken our pets to the veterinary clinic for one reason or another.  Most clinics that I have visited have had the walls lined with various kinds of pet foods, some prescription, some nonprescription.  In my opinion, this is unethical unless a veterinarian has specialist training in pet nutrition.  Our family GP doesn't display weight loss products in the reception room.  Our family GP doesn't sell food that may stop kidney disease or aid in the treatment of diabetes.  So why is this going on in veterinary clinics that do not specialise in nutrition?

Most veterinarians acquire their only knowledge on pet nutrition in elective classes in veterinary school.  These classes may only last a few weeks and are often taught by representatives from pet food companies.  Hills, IAMs and Purina are the largest contributors for these courses.  In addition, pet food companies even donate food to the vet students for their own pets...In a news release issued by Purina in May 2000, the pet food company announced that "in an effort to help university, veterinary hospitals provide optimal nutrition recommendations for dogs and cats, Purina is funding three new vet positions".  The company funded $100,000 a year to support 3 new position for the first year.  Purina also states that they provide educational outreach activities at 27 vet schools across the US.  Would it be safe to assume that these diet technicians, once graduated, would be promoting other pet foods??

In correspondence with a veterinarian who requested anonymity, she related her experiences while in vet school.  "The pet food companies plied students with free pizza, free pet food, bags, binders and even purses with the particular company's logo embossed on everything", she said.  Pet food companies also hire students to be reps in order to facilitate information dissemination on particular pet foods to the student body.  This former veterinary student also noted that AT NO TIME was there EVER a course offered on preparing a homemade diet for pets, barf or otherwise.  It continually amazes me how pet food companies promote their products, especially through the veterinary profession.  Money, perks, and awards await anyone in the profession who is willing to promote these company products.  Pharmaceutical companies used to run rampant with perks offered to medical doctors hoping to influence the use of their drugs.  Fortunately this practice has been widely curbed.  My hope is that veterinary medicine and nonprofit animal organisations rethink their relationships with pet food companies."

I rest my case.

So you don't think it possible that you are being naive and trusting the word of this author?
Its certainly draws some really weird comparisons.  And a few inaccuracy my friend with kidney disease  was certainly given prescription food of course being NHS he did not pay for it but I'm sure he would have if the Doctor was private as most vets are.  They advertise Reductil in our surgery again NHS so free etc.
My husbands best friend is a GP and their practice has there own pharmacy which sells all the diet foods, sports nutritions etc.
I would refer you again to all I have said earlier about the difference between information on feeds and understanding nutrition.

>optimal nutrition recommendations

Not the same as teaching nutrition is it?  This is merely providing information about a product that will meet the requirements sought.
I find it incredible that you still think vets, and now Doctors, are not as bright as you in being able to spot bias and evaluate information accordingly :D

All i can say is  doesnt the fact that they sell/recommend science diet et al  with the terrible ingredients they contain say anything to you???? Either they dont know any better or dont want to know any better. Also next time you visit a vet who sells this stuff ask them what the ingredients are for the products they sell,this really makes them squirm :(

The few vets i know who dont sell these brands are the ones who have gone on to study nutrition further,and extra 4 years further The know that science diet does not equal sound nutrition!

Until vets stop selling and pushing these foods i will assume they are nutrtionally challenged or dont have a concience!

Look I think I've said I don't having any problems with the squiggly bits being used in dog food but I would certainly be surprised if they sat up and spoke to me :D

>I would certainly be surprised if they sat up and spoke to me<

If by 'squiggly bits' you mean meat,never fear there's not enough of it in these foods to cause much of a worry!

Besides Isabel you are the last person i feel a need to convince about this,we all know your take on the importance of good nutrition ;)

It's the newbies to all of this that i'm trying to get through to,and if they choose to turn a blind eye like some people then at least i know i tried my best  :)

I think you are mixing up the difference between good nutrition and ingredients again.  One I think very important the other....................
I wouldn't worry about the newbies, they are quite capable of reading peoples logic and rationales, when people take the trouble to present them properly rather that just personal comments towards the other side of the debating table :), and making up their own minds what makes the most sense :)

Hi

How is the pup doing now?

my vet gave me pedgree chappy for puppys' chicken and dried food' i thought changing his food would make his bowels loose. i realey dont know what to think about the food every body says difrent. i have a irish blue ten weeks old. it eats you out of house and home.

im gad to hear your dog has now been wormed but just so you know it is generally the breeders responsibility to worm the pups at different stages as they grow i would be positive that your dog would have had abelly full of worms by the time you got her but im glad you have taken care of it

i personally believe a vet whether on commision or not would not advise a food that was no good i feed IAMS adult when my bitch isnt pregnant and iams puppy when she is i find it to be a very balanced feed and she only likes that one all the others have to of a strong flavour for her some dog will only eat one brand of food based on the flavour just check the nutritional info on the back of the packet if it has the nutritional requirements and your dog will eat it then feed it some dogs are very picky

and weetbix will clog a dog up
i have only ever given weetbix to a dog with diarrhoea for a couple of day that doesnt need vet care it stops it so the dog doesnt get dehydrated