Silly me took my dog to a vet who i dont really like but had little choice (lost grandma day before) who tol me that my dog was having a phantom pregnancy and so did the exray he took. What he didnt inform me was my dates were wrong ( i told him the date my dog first bleed ) (my first time) Ive since been told that its more than likely at end of being on heat which put my dates out by about 3 weeks. I now believe my dog is pregnant and due now. I no you cant see my dog but would love some opinions. Shes a besutiful little English staffie so is the dad ( hes my mums dog so he comes over all the time). She has put on 5kg, nipples full of milk, temp dropped to 37.4 but today has gone to 38. Hasnt really eaten since last saturday, VERY tired, and as of 1/2 hour ago a little clear liquid is coming out and also wants to be very close to me or our other dog at all times. What does anyone think please help

first are they breeding dogs registered and what not because if they arnt they shouldnt be bred but im sure you knew that second the due date is of the first mating not the first sign of blood next if she is due soon like within a week you should be able to feel the puppies moving just because they have milk and a swollen abdomen does not mean they are pregnant also nesting behavour and temp dropping isnt a sure sign either because in some phantom pregnancy they can go right up to when they are due then start acting and showing signs of impending labour you wait up all night and nuthing i would be making sure she is pregnant and not many dogs want to be around other dogs when they are in labour so move her away or you could have problems set up a whelping area do you breed at all ever or is this the first ever dog you have had that could be pregnant

slee my opinion is if you dont have something nice to say say nothing no theyre not breeding dogs but are purebreeds so what rite do you have to say i shouldnt breed by the way no i couldnt fell them moving she had a seiza their was 2 girls and 4 boys due to listening to idiots like you and the first vet lost 5 now hand reering 1 little girl. So obviously you also dont know what your talking about. Also this was the seconmd non breeding purebreed ive breed with but all times a seiza was needed so how in the hell would i know whats going on when neither of them contracted at all

bella 1,

What's with the attitude? :(

:rolleyes:

Crabby Club is really a fun Club to let off steam  - perhaps a Crank Camp is an idea worth nominating for :rolleyes:

i dont remember anyone saying anything idiotic? unless it was you? i presume you arent english? how can you blame people on here for your dogs section?

slee my opinion is if you dont have something nice to say say nothing no theyre not breeding dogs but are purebreeds so what rite do you have to say i shouldnt breed by the way no i couldnt fell them moving she had a seiza their was 2 girls and 4 boys due to listening to idiots like you and the first vet lost 5 now hand reering 1 little girl. So obviously you also dont know what your talking about. Also this was the seconmd non breeding purebreed ive breed with but all times a seiza was needed so how in the hell would i know whats going on when neither of them contracted at all
:rolleyes:

Can some interpret Bella's post as either I am illiterate or it's not in the english I try to speak & write

I think she is saying ehr bitch had 6 pups by section, and had one in the past that also had a section so had never seen a bitch with contractions.

As to them being non breeding purebreeds that has me stumped, as obviously they have beed bred from.  Maybe she thought they were spayed,b ut she seemed to know when her bitch started her season.

Must say I did have to re read again and again, but then I write some atrocious typo full posts when I am in a hurry. :D

Thanx Barbara I thought I was having avery senior moment :D

It was the sieza that was confusing me mainly & the non breeding pure breeds Sounds like the OP has bred two litters from pets possibly ?

I thought she meant had 6 but 5 died and she is hand rearing one.  :-)

Yep my understading too, but how ehr vet and we are to blame for the loss of the others I fail to see.

The fact shw has had sections with both ehr Pet bitches ought to be telling her something, that breeding is often heart breaking.

My advice would be to take her to a vet you DO trust and like and get a second opinion.  No good thinking it's a phantom and then finding out it's not and not being prepared for puppies.

Sorry Bella but anyonme who lets their in season bitch be with an entire dog, then doesn't know if and when they mated is ecpecting a lot from their vet when they give them wrong info.

Breeding is not Vets normal area of expertise.  they an deal with whelping emergencies, but as for the breeding process etc they will ahve only a working knowledge.  You as the breeder should have made a not of dates, when any matings occured etc.

Seems you went into this brteeding without the most basic preparation and then get cross at the Vet???

Bella1
people on this board encourage RESPONSIBLE breeding from registered health tested adults who are both of excellent temperament and are of compatible pedigrees...not bunging together 2 dogs and seeing what happens.
Archer

well i only just read the reply she left me for that and i think im not the only person here who believes a dog that is not registered and not a breeding/show quality dog shouldnt be bred and i would probably be guessing seeings they arnt she is just breeding for either the hell of it or to make a buck (especially by how offended she got by my questions) she probably hasnt had the dog tested i have no problem if someone comes and asks a question about a dog they didnt purposely mate or have come into possession of a stray but as for someone like that she can go to H*** i spend alot of money and alot of time insuring any bitch i breed is in perfect condition and i also spend alot of time researching the pups new owners and it really yanks my chain when someone purposely mates a bitch and dog but doesnt take the same responsibilities as a registered ethical breeder it is people like that that gives breeding a bad name even responsible ethical registered breeding

if someone wants my advice on an accidental pregnancy or a pregnant bitch i will happily help with no judgement but i want all the facts if someone is purposely breeding unregistered dogs purebred or not then yes i will not be happy but for the bitches sake i will still help with any advice

her reply told me alot about her she doesnt want to answer any questions and they are the type of breeders anybody looking for a pup should be careful of a responsible breeder will always answer a question good or bad and you wont get a mouthful of abuse if you ask either

another thing you dont know enough to be breeding if your dog is showing signs of distress late in a pregnancy  you need to get her to a vet and not come on a forum
she doesnt need to be contrcting to be in trouble do women need to be contracting for themselves or there baby to be in trouble i know alot about breeding unlike you i took the proper steps to become a responsible breeder and always follow guidlines set out by the canine council and i always know my bitches and i know the moment they need a vets help with there whelp

im not going to call you names because that is imature but i will say you should never breed until you have sorted yourself out well enough to do it properly and responsibly

and to her one of the reasons i ask what breed she was is because different breeds of dogs have different problems and seeings you where asking questions with such limited time which was not mine or anyone elses fault you chose to come on here nobody forced you it is your fault you didnt get you dog to the vets early enough not mine or anyone elses on here

anyway for your bitches sake and the pups i hope everyone is fine and i wish THEM the best

Unfortunately, in this breed especialy at the moment there are a lot of this kind of breeder, and while they find a market for the pups they wil continue. :(

The only way to stop this is for the puppy buying public to realise thast just because 'they only want a pet' that they still need to by and large buy from a breeder breeding for show/work. Tthese will be the breedres breeding with the breed standard in mind, be doing the health tests, and have the background knowledge (or access to those who have) in order to produce the most typical helathy pups that nature and research will allow.

All pups in a litter will be Companions first and foremost, and only oen 0or two are destined to be shown, the rest make pets that more than meet the essentials of the breed standard rather than in some popular breeds only being the right colour (nto even that sometimes).

reading thru this again and all the other posts she wasnt saying it was anybdy elses fault then mine because i was the only person who replied before the c section i am still fuming over her post how she could call me an idiot and say i knew nuthing i know i raised accurate facts and told her how it was i never told her dont take your dog the vets and i never said her dog was definetly not pregnant i told her to take her dog to the vets i am just so mad how someone who obviously has no experience in whelping let alone dogs could say i know nuthing about it when i have been thru this so many times and spent years researching pregnancy whelping showing and females in my breed fair enough somethings do still surprise me with my girl but thats small things different behavour when pregnant whelping ect and im sure im not the only breeder who does learn knew things about their girl when its the bitches first pregnancy, whelp every bitch is different what i dont understand is she comes onto a forum asking for help and advise on unethical breeding and then is shocked when a breeder asks where they registered breeding bitches and if not you shouldnt be breeding them why ask if you arnt prepared to hear this i will help anyone with a dog in whelp or pregnant but if it is purpose and then they are surprised that they dont know what they are doing then im going to tell them they shouldnt have bred her

i have lived my life around breeding bitches i have decided to work from home so i can take a day off when ever i want and when i have a female who is expecting i can be at her beck and call when someone tells me that i know nuthing about something i have dedicated my life to it makes me see red i have put so much time and money into any girls i have bred and never did it to make money or to just have some cute pups around i did it because my passion is the australian red cattle i have loved this breed since i was a very little girl i breed to better the australian red cattle i show my bitches for 2 years before i start breeding for the first 2 years of any of my girls lives were spent either training for a show or being in one and then after showing them i spent every other day until after they were finished showing getting myself, my home ready for pups and have every test done that my breed needs to know she was a good breed dog then i also have to find the best stud dog for herself this all takes alot of time and money this women has grabbed her bitch her mothers dog shoved them in the back yard togeather let them mate and then calls herself a breeder she is anything but a breeder 

Don't get upset about it, slee :)  People are well able to read the posts and draw their own conclusions about the posters ;)

yeah i think everybody drew their own conclusions straight away its still upsetting when all your doing is trying to help someone its kinda a kick in the teeth

Exactly Brainless 100%..

I jump up and down sometimes when people say

> 'they only want a pet' <

would they go and hand over £50 for ANY pair of shoes.. would they heck so why would they hand over hundreds of pounds for ANY dog.

I was going to start a thread a few days ago after dealing this week with 2 disaster puppy buys , one that only lived 4 days after collection but sometimes I feel I am banging my head off a brick wall. 

Sounds horrid, Blue.  Always best to vet new homes first.

LOL Jayne,

They weren't my puppy buyers. The 2 differe buyers, both homes were fine it was the place they bought their puppies from that wasn't. One lovely lady bought a puppy from a undesireable place and the puppy only lived for 4 days.

Think my wording confused you..Sorry if it did :-)

Oh, my mistake.  Sorry.  Some breeders are just so irresponsible.  If only we could get them all over here to get some advice from the experts.

Hi Jane :-) that is ok.. :-)

Not sure about Experts but certainly the caring.. :-)