can anyone tell me whether or not i can obtain the necessary whelping equiptment eg thermometer,gloves ect?as my vets say they can provide this, but someone i know has managed to obtain this from their vetenary clinic.
i already have my girls whelping box and a box for the pups. i also have a years supply of newspaper! lol

Is this the unregistered bitch who had been produced from a rescue bitch?

:-((

If your vet says he can provide it why not enlist his help you may need it before long.  If the deed is done against all the good advice given you need as much support as you can get now so keep your vet on side, I seem to remember you saying you would not be asking for help from your breeder.  Don't forget a couple of feeding bottles as well with slow drip just in case your girl doesn't feed them.

Even though what you have done is ill advised if it is the bitch you enquired about before you will find that no one wants the pups to suffer and I hope you find the right homes for them.

Bye the way in my opinion this thread is not about advice on vets.

Im sorry that you've gone down this route after all the advice you were given, Laura :(

thankyou echo, at least someone is realising that i have gone ahead and done what i wanted to and you're still willing to help me.its only advice that im looking for, i dont have to take it. but i'd rather chat with experienced breeders as you're more in the know. i do have some slow flow bottles for the pups.

just for the record, i already have 4 buyers lined up to buy the pups and they're all more than happy with the fact that they ARE pedigree but not kc reg.

can you tell me what you all think is the big importance of having a kc reg dog? so long as its fit and healthy and pedigree thats all that matters,especially if all you're looking for is a pet.

She tested clear for L2, PRA etc then?

she has been tested for all disease going about, she had eye tests and my vetinary clinic is extremely happy with her

I'm talking about genetic tests, not a check by your vet.

i dont think this is worth discussing, seeing as my girl is already pregnant!
all im asking for is constructive advice,not for you to tell me not to breed from her as its too late!

Why are you bothering to ask? You ignored all the constructive advice you were given last time. Why will this time be any different?

at the end of the day, my girl is pregnant and will give birth to pups any day now and all im looking for is a bit of advice to get myself ready for this experience so that i can be there for my girl and give her the help she might need

"all im looking for is a bit of advice to get myself ready for this experience so that i can be there for my girl "
That's not true at all.  You didn't listen to any of the good advice that you were given before.

Then have a consultation with your Vet.  If you pay for the advice, then you might heed it! :(
In the meantime, read this
http://staffycross.org/wantbred.html
It's a site set up by people concerned about all the badly bred, not health tested, Staffies and Staffie crosses that are filling the rescue kennels.

my girl is pedigree therfore shes not crossed with anything!
shes had check and shes fine!
for goodness sake talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill!!!!!

>for goodness sake talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill!!!!!

It's the irresponsible breeders of the staffies and their crosses overflowing from rescue centres at the moment that are making the mountain. :( The poor breed is 10-a-penny at the moment.

might i add that i visit a number of rescue centres on a very regular basis and i can say that the only staffs that are in rescue are elderly ones!

In my local rescue in Somerset, there are 32 dogs.  28 of them are YOUNG Staffies (all very poor representatives of their breed) or Staffie crosses!
Well bred Staffies go back to their breeders if there is a change of circumstances in their new homes and the owners need help.

well it must just be somerset that poorly breed dogs then coz where i live, there are only elderly staffs in rescue.

theres no point in slating me, coz its already done now. if you're a good breeder that cares about staffs,then i would like your muh appreciated help.
many thanks

There's no point in advising you, either, because you take no notice. You were offered sensible help months ago.

>well it must just be somerset that poorly breed dogs then coz where i live, there are only elderly staffs in rescue.

Hardly! It's the same here in Yorkshire AND all across the country. Do you really think the KC themselves would have started to higlight the problem had there not BEEN a huge one? You've never heard of the KC mentioning ANY other breed as being overbred...........Yet there ARE others, such as the Labrador, but the Staffy is particularly bad hence the mention.

I am responsible for my own actions and you are responsible for yours!

can you tell me that because my gilrs not kc reg, why shes likely to have pups that will end up in a home/rescue? just because you have a dog that kc reg, it DOES NOT mean that your dogs pups will never be in a home!

>can you tell me that because my gilrs not kc reg, why shes likely to have pups that will end up in a home/rescue? just because you have a dog that kc reg, it DOES NOT mean that your dogs pups will never be in a home!

No, but having pup's that are KC reg and where the sire and dam have had successful health tests, it reduces the likelihood of the pups ending up in rescue.

do you think  that pups/dogs end up in rescue because theyre not kc reg or had all the existing health tests? NO, i dont hink so either! they end up in rescue because the novelty of having a pet has worn off or they cant look after it properly anymore.its not because it hasnt had 10000 health checks.

if you go to rescue centres like i have, you'll find that most of the animals are in there because their owners can no longer look after them or they thought they wanted one n now they realise that a puppy is not for them or they dont like that fact that pups are hard work in their early stages

I cannot believe that if you go to so many rescue centres you still went ahead and bred your bitch, against all the advice you have been given. Your bitches pups MAY not end up in rescue this is true, but their pups might, or their pups pups etc.etc. By breeding this litter you are potentially responsible for an awful lot of dogs ending up in rescue/PTS.

You have health checks done to ensure as much as possible that any pups you produce are not going to end up with a painful or life threatening disease. Do you really care so little about dogs that this doesn't matter to you? It's very very sad.

do you not think its possible to have a perfectly healthy girl without her being kc reg?!?

Without having her tested for genetic conditions, then you can't say she's perfectly healthy. You're gambling with her puppies' lives. And your reputation in court, of course.

why will i go to court? its not as if im breeding dogs that i know are of extremely ill health! and come to think of it, how can you assume this?

If puppies turn out to have a hereditary condition which could have been avoided, then believe me, the breeder has been sued and fined several thousands of pounds. The only get-out is having dated certificates to show that all the tests had been carried out by a specialist before the mating went ahead, and there was no evidence that she would pass on the condition.

>why will i go to court? its not as if im breeding dogs that i know are of extremely ill health!

EXACTLY, you are breeding pups where the health of the parents is UNKNOWN! If somebody buys a pup off you and it gets say PRA, then that person can take you to court as the dog they have been sold will not have been fit for its purpose -the purpose of being a healthy PET. It does happen all the time!

Just because your bitch 'appears' to be healthy, without her parents/grandparents being tested, you have no idea what she is genetically carrying and therefore capable for producing in her puppies.  Without her being KC registered, you have no way of checking that the dogs behind her are healthy and have good temperaments.

No reputable stud dog owner would have allowed their dog to be used on an unregistered bitch.  They would be too worried about the puppies and would value their reputation too much.

A pedigree is only a collection of names unless you actually know the dogs on there.  Even mongrels can have a pedigree - it's just the names of their ancestors!

You've taken a VERY big gamble and feel sorry for the new owners. :(

how many more times do i have to tell you? she is registered, but not in my name!!!!

But in your other posts you stated quite clearly that she wasn't registered!!! You said her mother was registered, or so you were led to believe, though you have no proof of this. How do you know that her pedigree isn't made up?

>do you think  that pups/dogs end up in rescue because theyre not kc reg or had all the existing health tests? NO, i dont hink so either! they end up in rescue because the novelty of having a pet has worn off or they cant look after it properly anymore.its not because it hasnt had 10000 health checks.

I said it reduces the likelihood or the possibility.  A good solid pup produced from genetically sound health tested parents with a genetically sound pedigree is valued more and is more likely to attract buyers.  This in turn means the breeder can be more selective with who they accept as a prospective puppy owner.  In other words, it gives more choice and selection thus reducing chance that the dog may up in rescue.  Likewise, good reputable breeders will take the pup back if the current owners cannot keep the dog etc, etc, this also reducing the likelihood that the pup ends up in rescue.  It's about giving the puppies the best start in life in the society that we all live in.

Having health tests also reduces the possibility that the pup may develop some genetic condition later on in life, thus sparing a family heartache and endless vets bills.  And possibly court action which has also been pointed out. 

Get the book of the bitch by j,m Evans and kay white, you wont go wrong with this book.  due to it being winter and very cold, make sure the pups are warm at all times they can go down hill very very fast.  Good luck.

thankyou very much rosco jane, i really appreciate your kind help. i do aready have 'the book of the bitch'. the reason im asking things on here is because many people have different advice and experiences and its nice to have other people to talk to about this

If you have the book already keep reading it, and have it ready when the litter is due, you may need it, there maybe people here that does not agree with what you are doing, but at the end of the day the pups will be born soon and if you need urgent help ask or phone your vet.  good luck

If your vet has done the tests unles they are one of the qualified vets that do these then she hasn't had the tests done?  Can you confirm that you have been to a specialist?

KC reg. doesn't mean that they're breeder isn't a good one but they are more than likely better than people who don't care about the breed and don't bother with any of the correct tests.

yes she has, shes been to kynoch

You are not breeding dogs that you know are ill, but you are breeding dogs of a breed that have well known serious medical conditions that you have been advised of before mating.  If the parents end up being carriers and the pups end up having the condition then the owners of the pups could and rightly so sue you for not ensuring that it didn't happen.

Hopefully it will never happen and your dogs will be fit and healthy happy pets, but it could happen and then you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

No-one means to get at you but you asked peoples advice and then decided not to follow it.

the thing is that i have not advertsied the pups as being kc reg so therefore,im not guaranteeing that they will not get ill. although both mother n father are kc reg, as i dont have the physical proof of this for my girl, im not advertising them as kc reg

Are you advertising them as being suitable for pets? Don't pet owners deserve healthy animals?

If you are advertising them as pedigree and certain conditions are known to occur within that breed a court could reasonably expect you to have taken action to avoid the puppies being affected registered or not.

i have not advertsied the pups as being kc reg so therefore,im not guaranteeing that they will not get ill.

That's irrelevant!  If you are advertising them as Staffies, you can't prove that they are because they are not Kennel Club registered.
And if you are advertising them as pets, then the new owners are entitled to expectthat you, as the breeder, have taken all 'reasonable' steps (and the specilist health testing is freely available, and therefore resonable) to produce healthy puppies, not carrying know hereditary defects.

But you're not listening to a word, so I'll waste no more time on you.

when the pups are born, they will be going to the vet to get checked out along with my girl(their mum)

no i wont listen to you as all you do is slate me! at the end of the day the pups will be here soon and it wold be better if i could have advice rather than you still banging on about how i shouldnt breed from my girl

Unless the vet is a clairvoyant ophthalmic specialist, he won't be able to reassure you that they won't go blind at 4 years old. :(

Perhaps that's the "Advice on vets" you meant by the thread title! You want to find one who can predict the future! :rolleyes:

You are still not listening anyway :(  You have already been told a check by your vet is not at all adequate for determining whether any of the risks are there in the parents or whether the puppies are affected. 

>it wold be better if i could have advice

Actually it would have been better if you had taken the advice given before and not bred from your girl in the first place.  I'm not sure why you ask for advice when you then go and ignore it. 

I am not a breeder, but I do help with rescue and even if all your pups do end up in good homes, you are still adding to the enormous problem of overbreeding in staffies.  Your girl's dam was a rescue dog, and as such she should never have been bred from.  What a shame you could not see sense - in breeding your girl you are perpetuating this irresponsible breeding.

If you're not going to listen to advice, why do you ask for it?

Laura - have you heard the saying - if you are in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging?

You are in a hole :  you came on this board in July, asking for advice about breeding an UNREGISTERED staffie.    You were given the advice that you shouldn't go ahead with breeding her as you could not be sure that the information you had about her background was correct - at that time it looked as if you took this advice.

But you didnt - and now you have the brass neck to come on and ask advice again?????   And you don't like what you are hearing????

TOUGH, lady, TOUGH!

Sad to see that you decided to join the Greedy Breeder brigade!

my name is not laura!