Just been watching This Morning and they have been talking about a 'new' breed of dog...a puggle??!!!! Apparently its a cross between a pug and a beagle. Not sure what they are going to say about it, but it is comming on just now after the break.....hope they dont make it sound like a good thing!!! Lets see.........

Please let me know about what This Morning said as I'm at work and unable to watch it.

Myself and my Beagle friends are fighting very hard against this stupid breeding. We didn't think they had arrived in the UK yet.

Putting this on the TV is the worst thing to do, so many people will want them now the Puppy Farmers will have a field day.

Sorry, I'm so angry this kind of thing makes my blood boil.

I will be very very angry if they are promoting it and will get an earful from me if they are.

I don't know if anyone has ever seen one but they are very UGLY but that just the beginning. I won't kick off now, but please please please if anybody you know shows an interest in this breeding PUT THEM OFF.

Thanks

Thanksd

Hi Macleback (waves!)
Just about to come on and im watching too - us parents eh?
Cant believe there promoting it and i can imagine there ugly - like the name though - its a vet coming on though so hopefully hell deter people! Designer dogs - these people need to get a grip and see its wrong - cant understand the fasinaton myself and i cant believe the KC are thinking of making them registered breeds - dont do it!

£360 - £500!!! Smaller they are more you pay - what a joke!!!!
I thought it was cute - but its stupid. Its a mongrel as fern quite rightly pointed out!

Fern didn't mince her words did she? "I told you it's a mongrel, don't pay £350 for it"  Excellent!

I couldnt agree more Chez_swa!!

I'm really pleased Fern pointed that out....i didn't think the puppy was cute.

Did they actually have a live one on the show or did they just show a photo???

Thanks

Just a photo

Lol good on her!I thought maybe they were going to prase them!But there will be someone out there who will want one now.

I've always quite liked Fern but like her even more now :d  Good on her!

Yep only reason the puppy farmers breed them is one breed is an easy whelper with desnet size litters and fairly easy to get hold of in the USA and the other is fashionable but not an easy breeder.  Notice the same applies with a lot of these crosses, easily bred and exploited breed mated with something 'differeent' or fashionable.

Exactly why would you pay that much for a Mutt with no proof of health, temperment, etc etc!!!!! 

When for £600 - £800 you can buy a well breed Beagle puppy from a reputable breeder with all the family history, pedigree, proof of health test etc etc.

I don't understand it either but we have to fight all of these hybrid cross breeds coming to the UK. In the US they cross all sorts of breeds and have there own Club that registered them it is so WRONG and it has nothing to do with been dog lovers and caring about the dogs. It is all about MONEY!!!! They are not reputable breeders and are only out to make money!!!!

Accidents will happen though, but most are not accidents it is done on purpose - was readin a post about a cross breed where the dad was bigger than the mum - this is not acceptable and the breeder(if thats what you can call them!)should be shot

OH NO!PUGGLS EVERYWHERE!!!!!!There on gmtv now!Kate called it "cute",i agree but she should be disuading them - "a very wanted little dog"
Bens mum is a fan of labradoodles - not v.impressed they should be putting people off as good old fern did!
Theyll be landing everywhere soon now :-(

And Bertbeagle they were actually on Gmtv,fair enough it was via a link but it wasnt just a picture this time - they were live from across the border

I have e-mailed GMTV twice this morning first to ask them to make something of how irresponsible this is, then a second time to express my disappointment that they let this opportunity pass. The puppy farmers will be clapping their hands.

Dawn R.

Well the member of the "AKC" who is breeding said it all when asked why he was breeding them by Kate!!  "ooooh how can you resist such a cute little face"  "oh they fly out of the kennels that breed them and they can ask huge amouts of money".  Not word for word but almost.

Why is this bloke on the AKC when he can't even give a good reason to breed these crosses.  Members of any KC should be there to promote the breeds and improve on them.  Not breed a cross that could run into big health problems in the generations to come.

Please pass me the sick bucket.

Well theres aother point to raise - if there going to carry on cross breeding if everybody does this we will run out of the breds there originally crossing and that would be a shame.Sad thing is these crosses will be crossed with another crosser if you get what i meanand thats gonna make a 4x mongrel!

>>oh they fly out of the kennels that breed them

What i actually heard him say was " they are running out of the doors as soon as they come in " doesnt exactly imply they are being bred on the premises does it.
What is it they say "only in New York" :(

Oh no!!!!!! I knew this would happen!

I'm going to bombard GMTV with emails now, I'm very very mad!!!!

Yeah so am i and i dont breed!
There gonna be everywhere soon - pure breeds will be extinct soon

Oh and then Ben said that his mum loves Labradoodles because they don't molt (God I can't spell this morning).  His mum needs to be told the truth!

Yeah i know he did - i dont know if tats true or not as i know poodles dont moult - but i dunno what hppens if youcross it with something that doesnt. Dont worry about the spelling - my lptop makes it look like i cant spell - i just cant b bothered 2 alter it!Think imgona take it backactually as it seems to be getting worse and is only 2 weeks old!

:d :d

The thing with crosses of any kind is that you can't tell which trait it's going to follow, so they can't say that Labradoodle's don't molt.

This morning, they also said 'Puggles' don't moult!!

Why wouldn't they, both Pugs and Beagles moult, so I don't know how they think that. Maybe those dogs will all be out on the streets when they moult for the first time.

Dawn R.

I didnt hear that bit otherwise i would have mentioned it! Lying buggers -that does make me angry - its people with allergys that buy thesenon moulting dogs - its not fair on them - they will hae to be rehomed when they find out they do!

They were in the Sun a few weeks ago saying how they were the latest must have in the U.S. very sad.
Mary

I have been sending quite a few emails today, GMTV and the Sun are included on my list. I'm going to do everything I can to prevent this type breeding to become popular in the UK. I'm getting as many people onboard as possible!

I have known about puggles for quite a while now and thought we might just get away with not having the new designer dog come to our shores. Unfortuantley not, the best way to tackle this is by educating people ( potenial dog owners ) the risks and the truth about designer crossbreeds as whole we can all do this effectively.

Thanks to everyone who has emailed GMTV.

We need to give this type of breeding loads of bad press aswell, I'm working on that too.

John Stapleton said this morning when he was intervewing two dopey americans who had them that why would they want to breed cross breeds as there were enough in rescue homes so good on him.  In OK magazine this week the reason they are apparantly so big at the moment is that I think it said Jennifer Lopez has got one.  I am sorry but I thought the two they showed on GMTV were quite ugly.  How could anybody want to cross a dog with a lovely head like a beagle with a pug who although quite cute in their own right are certainly not anything like a beagle. 

Did you see the size of the male for 16 weeks, he's bigger than my SWD puppy that's 2 weeks older!

I couldn't understand why the americans thought they would make "good apartment" dogs. Beagles are hounds, need lots of exercise and alot of the time can't be let off the lead. How can that be suitable for an apartment just because it is crossed with a pug? Can't they just get a pug if they want an "apartment" dog? How are they health wise?

Just imagine the poor puggle with the Pug nose and breathing mechanism, and the Beagle urge to run!  Or the Puggles who inherit Beagle legs at one end and pug legs at the other - what a recipe for health problems, not inherited but actuallky cooked up by this bizarre cross!
bye
Gwen

I'm afraid to say that the puggle has reached were I live as the local paper has a litter of them advertised this week.:(

Hi I do wish people would stop calling these mongrels "Designer "Breeds?" I understand the term breed to mean pairings breed true? and giving them this title just makes them all the more attractive to new dog owners.
A colleague of mine went to Discover Dogs hoping to see some/chat with a breeder of 'Labradoodles' ??? I told her they were not a breed and what was her reply "but a website stated that they were from KC reg parents so they must be"?? She has now decided that maybe she has a responsibilty to read up on suitable BREEDS and then approach a good breeder. Angela

Basically what i think these strange 'breeders' are trying to achieve-is a larger dog that has the big 'cute' eyes and typically the cartoon dog- saw a piccy of a puggle, and it didnt even look real- did look inanimate- absolutely wrong looking.
I can imagine a lot of kids and their parents wanting a puggle puppy for christmas- what a nice idea- not!!

People on 'this morning' though did say -- dont pay money for these dogs, they are cross breeds! plain and simple.

Hi everyone,

Well I am making progress in my anti Puggle campaign.

I have been contacted by The Sun and they would like to do a an article about how bad this type of intentional cross breeding is. I am also looking into doing a website or page listing information to educate people about how wrong this intentional cross breeding is.

If anybody has any ideas of a web address please let me know I'd like it to be about all intentional cross breeding not just Puggles.

Thanks

H

OK magazine this week p.166 World in action page!
quote " What do you call a cross between a pug & a beagle? No, its not the opening line of a poor joke. Its actually a puggle, which has been created by designer dog breeders. New York is going barking mad for them, with Uma Thurman among the stars snapping one up."
The article is complete with a picture of a puppy, I did'nt know if I should post this as I was'nt sure if I could name magazines etcs.
Ok magazine switchboard 0871 434 1010,  UK edition editor Lisa Palta email lisa.palta@express.co.uk
I will certainly be sending an email I hope many others will follow.

Many thanks I have just emailed them! :)

This (and its links) might help a bit. A sentence worth mentioning is that outcrossing hides genes, not eliminate them.

It makes me soooooo mad..i had an enquiry for one yesterday! this is the reply i sent...........
I presume you are joking !...................no breeder worth their name would blatantly breed two different breeds together!...............you never know what you are going to get in size shape or temperament, The worse of these are using the brachicephalic breeds [ flat faced dogs] these poor animals either suffer because they cannot pass the strange shaped head through their pelvis and usually end up having a C section to remove the pups, most of the pups are born with a mouth defect like hare lip or cleft palate, these are destroyed, mostly in very dubious ways..............people are charging ridiculous money for these poor crossbreeds [for that is all they are] and new owners left with mounting vet bills because of the problems such diabolical practices cause......please don't subscribe to these vile practices, if you want a cross breed go to the rescue kennels here you will find lots of poor mites that shouldn't be their either
regards
Pauline

Did you follow this link through? The Labradoodle forum had a thing or two to say about 'pedigree' breeders! However I am slightly heartened to see that some of the Labradoodle forum are talking about hip scores so at least some are being responsible.

Hi Bertbeagle,  I have emailed some USA contacts in the Pug world, and asked if they have any websites, addresses etc of Puggles over there.  Thought it might be of interest if you could show just how diverse these crosses can look.  If the good old GP are paying out hard cash for a dog, Ithink they woudl liek to think they had some idea what the end result might look like, and of course with these crosses they usually cannot have a clue!  I have asked them to inculde any of the excentric pug crosses (Pugaliers, pugapoos, Cockerpugs etc) .  Also it might be useful to feature on the very real health issues of mating two such very different dogs as Beagles and Pugs - not inherited problems this time, but specific to mating dogs of such very different sizes, capabliites and instincts.  Another thought that occurred to me, these people often promote these crosses by using the buzz words "hybrid vigour" suggesting that by crossing they are eliminating health issues (as has been pointed out by someone above this is not so, jsut masks genes in the first generation, sometimes)  Hybrid vigour is a phrase which has been pinched from the plant world, and applies much more to horticulture/agriculture.  Hybrids are 2 different species, not breeds.  With the puggle, for instance,they  are unlikely to be eradicating hemivertbrae disease which occurs in pugs,  as its mode of inheritance is not known yet they  are quite possily introducing it into the puggle!

Also, for the web page, how about telling peole to make a "for and against" tick list of all the breed features they like and dislike about the 2 parent breeds  of the cross  they are considering, and see just how many of these actually overlap inot the wrong columns, after all the cross bred pups are just as likely to get the characteristics the buyer likes lease in either parent, whcih is what may have tempted them ot consdier the cross in the begining!
bye
Gwen

bye Gwen

i have just seen an ad for one (which shall remain nameless) i quote:
"ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL , JUST LIKE THE ONE IN OK MAGAZINE."
Thats the whole ad,no mention of health,temprement,parents,nothing,
I'm speechless !!

Hi,

Thanks everyone for all the info you are collecting up, everything is coming along really well. I have had really good responses from my emails and feel very encouraged that we can fight this not just for Puggles but for all crossbreeding for this purpose ( which actually has no purpose ).

gwen - if you could email me your findings from the breedersin the US that would great, thankyou so much for the support.

bishop - exactly, I was at the Beagle Club Open yesturday and I handed out a letter I sent to GMTV and brief letter from me to as many of the Beagle owners I could it was very much discussed and there was great concern about everything you mentioned in your post. I also showed them pictures I purposely found a side profile to show how awlful there mouths are. Nobody thought an adult Puggle was cute!

beagluv - Was that advert in the UK? If so would you mind PM me the contact details. So far I only know off one litter but I'm trying to compile as much info as possible.

...So, why exactly are you guys so against puggles, anyway? The point of a puggle was an experiment to see if they could create a dog that was sweet and cuddly like a pug, but was able to breathe better, and didn't have the energy and craziness of a beagle. I have a puggle, actually, and she is the sweetest, cutest dog I've ever laid eyes on! When we first got her, she was insane and kept on killing birds (beagle insticts ^^) and even got a squirrel once! But now, she's a sweetheart! If you're just standing somewhere, she will rub her face against your legs and squeeze her face between your legs and look up at you with the cutest eyes. When you're just sitting on a couch, she'll hop up and rest her face on your legs. In fact, when you leave somewhere, she'll sit there and whine for a long time until you come back! She is sweet, adorable, and I don't understand why you guys are so against her, and her other relatives. They've done nothing wrong! And for your information, they're adorable, soft, and their ears are SOOO CUTE!!!!!! For those pug lovers, I had a pug before Ginger, and I loved him so much. My parents wanted a puggle, and I wanted a beagle, so I looked up all this anti puggle stuff, and I agreed with it--until I actually got one and had first-hand experience. So quit pretending like you know what you're talking about, because, guess what! You have no freaking clue!!

And another thing--dogs that are crossed with poodles, like a cockapoo or something, the reason for those types of dogs are because there are a lot of people who are allergic to dogs,  but apparently they aren't allergic to poodle fur. So, they cross the poodle with a lab if they want a lab, you've got half a lab, half a poodle! And I must say, those dogs are adorable. Cross breeds are alive, just like all these other dogs, so QUIT ACTING LIKE THEY'RE STUPID, GOOD FOR NOTHING WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO GET MONEY!!! Thank you!

The problem with these breeds isnt the dogs themselves its usually the type of people who breed them that are the problem.They are bred to make money from people who think they are getting something special and the prices they charge for them is ridiculous. Also if you are allergic to labradors then you are likely to be allergic to a first generation poodle lab cross breed. There is nothing wrong with cross breed dogs, I have owned many cross breeds and mongrels myself but in general they are never health tested and are bred purely to make money by people who dont really know what they are doing. Where did you get your crossbreeds? Did your cross breeds parents have health tests? Were you charged a huge amount of money to buy your cross breed?

> The point of a puggle was an experiment to see if they could create a dog that was sweet and cuddly like a pug, but was able to breathe better, and didn't have the energy and craziness of a beagle.

There are plenty of toy breeds that already fit that bill.

> When we first got her, she was insane and kept on killing birds (beagle insticts ^^) and even got a squirrel once!

Well I could see that giving the heebie jeebies to a lot of the handbag dog brigade! :-D And that of course is the trouble with cross breeds, you don't really know what you are getting and what side of the pedigree it will take after, if either really.  Fine if you get a rescue older animal but a very expensive pig in a poke when you buy a puppy.
I am delighted that it has worked out for you, despite your very rude manner, but to promote this sort of breeding is very unethical in my view.

>> When we first got her, she was insane and kept on killing birds (beagle insticts ^^) and even got a squirrel once!

> Well I could see that giving the heebie jeebies to a lot of the handbag dog brigade!

You don't need a toy cross breed even.

My perfectly pedigree Toy Poodle delighted in frightening the bejabbers out of me when I heard awful screaming when she had caught a rat.  Upset the Collies something terrible :-)