To prevent another thread being totally derailed I thought I'd start a new topic:

What qualifications does a dog need to be called an International Champion? I assume it has to have become a champion in its home country - how many others as well?

"Breeds not subject to working trials
To be eligible for the title of International Beauty Champion, dogs from these breeds must have obtained :
a)over a minimum period of one year and one day, four CACIB in three different countries, under  three different judges, no matter the number of dogs
b)the period between the first and the last CACIB must be understood as follows : for example, from Jan 1, 1996 to Jan 1, 1997
For a) and b), exceptions may be granted provided they are approved by the FCI General Committee
Breeds subject to working trials.
To be eligible for the title International Beauty Champion, these dogs must have obtained :
a)over a minimum period of one year and one day, in two different countries, under two different judges, two CACIB, no matter the number of dogs. 
b)the period between the first and the last CACIB must be at least one year and one day (for example, from Jan 1, 1996 to Jan 1, 1997), the date of the trial is not taken  into account.at least a 3rd prize, or a grade "Good" in a working trial where the national CACT is being competed for.  However, if the trial is judged on points, the prizes shall not be taken into account, but the dogs must have obtained at least 75% of the maximum points. 
Exception for Fox-Terriers
In trials judged on points, the dog should have obtained at least 60% in underground trials."
For a) and b), exceptions may be granted provided they are approved by the FCI General Committee
Utility dogs : The International Tests for Rescue Dogs or the national Schutzhund Tests or the IPO (RCI) are the only tests which make a dog eligible for the title of Beauty Champion.
As far as IPO (RCI) is concerned, the dog must have obtained, in Class 1, a minimum of 70% of the points in each discipline, i.e. tracking, obedience and defense.
In Shutzhund tests, the requirements are as follows : no matter the class where the dog is entered, it must have obtained a minimum of 70% in discipline A (tracking) and B (obedience) and 80% in discipline C (defense)."

So in theory a UK dog could become an Int Ch without gaining its title here?

Yep but I haven't got my KC rule book to hand it's still in the car & the fireworks are terrible so I'm not off outside just yet So whether the KC recognise them without a UK title I'm not sure

I think Irish & UK Champions are known as just that & not Int Champions !

There is an Irish Setter breed site that I frequent, and recent results from Ireland, show one of the winners as Sh Ch and Int Ch de Beaute Erinade Jackpot JW, Sh CM. This dog is an Irish Champion, but not a UK Champion as far as I know. The title of Sh Ch in his name is so because Ireland is his home and the results were from an Irish Show. Had he been a UK Champion as well, his title in the UK would be Sh Ch Ir Sh Ch and International Ch de beaute Erinade Jackpot JW, Sh CM. What a gobful eh?

Dawn R.

>Sh Ch Ir Sh Ch and International Ch de beaute Erinade Jackpot JW, Sh CM.

Blimey! He'd take up half the catalogue! :D

I think you will find that an Irish dog can becoem and International champion but not a British one. 

The IKC are affiliated to the FCI, and until trael to the continent was possible they coudl make their dogs International champions by vitue of wins in Ireland alone, we have one in our breed, but I think that has now changed.

Nope, a friend whose daughter works for teh Kennel Club and shows the dog cannot get her dogs International title even though it has two Natiopnal titles abroad as it has been agreed by the KC and FCI that the dog must have it's UK title. 

This I think is very unfair especially for those with breeds without Champion status in the UK.

Brainless a Rare breed can but has to win a certain aout of best of sex (I think 3 but not sure)

I'd be interested in the wording as th press release I read from the KC a while back appeared to basicaly say no IK title no Int title.  Of course they may have changed it since then :D

I'm sure I read it somewhere but can't remember where!!!!  I might be compleatly mad and have never read it!!! :D

Ahh, you know, as I wrote my earlier bit, I suspected this might be the case. So does that mean the dog I mentioned has to be a UK Sh Ch as well then?

Dawn R.

There are Spanish Water Dogs in this country that are international champions!  I also thought that they had to bea champion in the UK to be elligible but it doesn't seem that way.  I don't understand it, but I'm glad that they are as I think it would be totally unfair that they couldn't get the IC when we can't even compete for BIS or anything else in this country!

Did they get hteir titles before coming here? It seems if they are Uk resident then they can't. so maybe they are registered in joint ownership using the foreign address as their residence.

No they were bred over here.  All that I can think of is that the people may have a place in Spain?  I know that they were thinking about it, I don't know, but they are resident in the UK as far as I know.

They may have used a foreign address when entering european shows.

Rare breeds need to gain 3 BOBs at Ch shows in the UK to qualify.

Julie

Just realised Swds are import reg....don't know how they qualify??

Thanks Julie knew there was something somewhere! :)

Maybe imports don't count and can get an int ch title anyway   Kennel Clubs don't like making it easy do they!

What's that for Ice Queen????   Don't you think we should be entitled to get our country of origin show title?  We can't do anything else in this country except pay the same as everyone else, go in one class and that's it.  Do you think that's fair?  I don't.

Sorry if the ??? was aimed at the KC's and not that we are able to get int. champ. status :d

There is nothing stopping any dog domiciled here getting National titles, as my friends dog has his Belgian and Dutch titles, he just can't have the FCI International one not being a UK champion (he has a lot of RCC's).

?? was for the KC!!!!!

The first bit is ment to say maybe import breeds can get int. ch anyway without winning anything in UK like CC breeds and rare breeds have too!!! Maybe you get it easier! :D

I think it's unfair that you go to all these champshows and don't even get to go to crufts (put somewhere I think there should be an import class at crufts just so you can get there and show, even if not allowed in the group!)  Also feel you shouldn't be paying the same prices.  It's more expensive for CC's then non-CC's but both get to go in the group!  Import should be less again!!!!! :D

:d :d  Can you tell that the rules of the import register annoy me?  Let's face it it doesn't stop some breeds doing what it was set-up for in the first place!

I think it's about time that if they want to keep the import register that they do but allow us to compete for BIS and BPIS.

Hmmm Do I think it annoys you...going on half your posts...Yes!!!! :D :D :D :D

I can't see the point in having import half way.  either don't have it or do and let them do the full thing.  Isn't the import reg somewhere for new breeds to sit to become popular?  Surely you need the dogs seen!?

Though arn't SWD's becoming more popular!  It's another breed I quite like and think I could live with! :D

I think when it first started too was to stop breeders charging astronomical prices and selling these "rare" breeds.  The import register hasn't stopped this in some breeds, luckily in my breed and Bracco's and a few others we've kept the price of a pup down and sell them at the same price as most other well known breeds.

Our breed is becoming popular and unfortunatley in some ways I think it will become more popular.  Unfortunately though prices some people are charging are going up to.  Hopefully they won't get ruined?

For a UK dog to become an International Champion it must first be a UK Champion, and the application for the Int Title goes to the FCI via the KC. Not sure what the Irish situation is now, but it was a farce that a dog could be an Int Ch over there, especially as they ignore the working tests and in some cases ignore the FCI breed standards.

Dogs can of course come to the UK as Int Chs and be shown as Int Ch even if they are not UK Chs.