hello just a question i have jap akita shes nearly 2 she had her season app 8 weeks ago but lately my other 9 month old male as been pining as though she is in season again i have seen no signs of spotting, i let them out this afternoon 5 mins later i went to let them in and they were stuck together so i stayed with them until they finished. but the thing is i noticed shes been putting weight on i dont know why i looked but i just did i noticed her nipples seem i little bigger so i squeezed them and i saw white stuff can anyone help me could she be pregnant?
im going to take her the vets tomorrow but im just wanting to know.

She could be having a phantom or she could be having a pyo, best person to tell you would be the vet ;) good luck for tomorrow

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Dill

Of course if your male had any access at all she could also be pregnant, but I wouldn't have thought she'd accept mating if she were ;)

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hi just a update i think she pregnant the vets have scanned her and she is sure she is i need to go back in 2 weeks

Well i wish all the best of luck for you and keep us posted

I don't quite get this. You found them tied just 5 DAYS ago and now the vet can say she's pregnant?  Impossible, she must have been mated earlier.

Sadly your dog at 9 months is too young to be hip scored as he is a puppy himself so that is a big problem, you've no idea if the pups will be okay or not, nor will it be easy to find responsible owners for them from parents that aren't health tested.......

I take it that her puupies if there are any born will not be KC registered because the parents have not had any health tests and the father is only 9 months old?

They can be KC registered, only the mother has to be over 12 months old. Nor are health tests compulsory -sadly...

If she was only mated 5 days ago, there's no way anyone can tell if she's pregnant - the foetuses don't implant for 21 days. So if she's pregnant then it will have been from an earlier unwitnessed mating - or matings. But with which dog? Only DNA tests will tell which (if any) of the pups are purebred.

Akitas should have hips and elbows scored and also have eye testing.   Have you done any of these with your girl?   Your boy can't be tested until he is a year old :(

What a pity you didn't keep them apart.

Margot

well my dogs are never let off there leads so i know who the farther would be and they cant get out my the garden, i never said she is defo pregnant just that she might be, she had her season 8 weeks ago, then about 1 week ago i noticed her spotting again but never thought she was in another season so soon the vets last week said it was a phanton pregnacy as her belly is rather big and milk, yes the mated 5 days ago i went back to the vets this morning and she said she couldnt say for fact but she might be as she as milk.
both my dogs have come from a very good pedigree and they have brill temperments i only came on here for advice i feel im in the wrong and yes i will be kc registering them and when i bought both my dogs nobody showed me there papers for health checks.and they wasnt cheap either

It sounds like your bitch may have had a split season, meaning she started her season stopped before she came to ovulation and started again, perhaps without colour, and has now ovulated and been mated.  It would of course in this situation not be fair to expect the poster to realise she was in fact in season and fertile, and therfore needign to be seperated from the bitch.

The fact that you did not check for Health testing for the parents does not mean that potential puppy buyers will not, and of course they still shoudl be done.  Certainly both can be eye tested now,a dn the dog can be hip scored and elbow x-rayed before the pups are about a month old, and hopefully results be back before they are ready to leave home.  Unfortunately the bitch won't be able to be hip scored until after the pups are born, but maybe hers would be back in time too.  Bit like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted but better than not doing them at all.

Was the bitch ever in the garden unattended? Many litters are sired by an enthusiastic Romeo who cleared a 7-foot fence.

Is this the same bitch with the nervous temperament?

when she was 7 months old yes she was a nervous dog with men only but she is great now

i didnt know as she only had a season 8-9 weeks ago no one would think it would be another so soon.they was kept together on the last season there is no way of knowing yet anyway but i was only seeking advice

What a dire situation :-(

You must buy yourself the Book of the Bitch so you can understand your girl better.  Not only does it give you good information on pregnancy but also how to care for her health and understand seasons.

You have illustrated the best reason why people should not keep an un-neutered male and female together in the same house; had you been more informed about your bitch you would have had a greater understanding about her potential to get pregnant and this awful situation could have been avoided.

You must ask yourself what type of person would buy a pup from an unwitnessed mating where you cannot be 100% sure who the sire is.  IF the father of these pups is your dog, then what sort of purchaser would choose a puppy from a sire that young from an unwitnessed mating with no health checks.  Weigh this up against a dog that has been bred with better intentions from champion health tested KC registered parents.  It is easy to see why these pups could be hard to home in responsible good quality homes.

Your bitch could be speyed and the pregnancy terminated.

Sophie - I'm sorry to tell you this, but you can't register them with the KC - only the breeders can do this :(

And you will have to arrange for the hip scoring/eye testing - hip scoring will cost you somewhere over £110 and £200, depending upon  where you get it done - not every vet is expert in this and you are better to go to a vet who does it on a regular basis. Your boy cannot be done until after he is a year old, and of course your girl cannot de done whilst she is pregant.  You can get the eye testing done for your bitch whilst she is pregnant, but again, your boy needs to be over 12 months.

Of course, if they aren't registered with the KC, then the hip scoring cannot be scored by the BVA.    If they are KC registered, are you sure that they haven't been endorsed "not for breeding" by their breeders?

It gets very complicated, doesn't it?

Margot  

Also with your own lack of experience and no back up from an experienced breeder from what we can see how are you going to support and advise potential puppy buyers, and ensure that they have the knowledge to own such a breed. 

The most knowledgeable potential owners are unlikely to be attracted to your litter.  Spaying her now would probably be your best option.

I am sorry if i insulted you sophie23_98 but i was just wondering if they could be kc registered. Im sorry if i offended you

I dont think she should just spay her over that but i do agree she should spay her if it is too difficult to keep them apart

its not that i can not keep them apart i did from her last season i just didnt know that they could have a split season and my male wasnt interested in her like he was 8-9 weeks ago, i keep in touch with both my breeders and they can both mate when they time is right.
i only want my bitch to have 1 litter then i will be getting her sprayed.

Im not being judmental or anything. I know how hard it is to keep dog and bitch apart and i know youve tried to keep them apart. They are dogs and they dont understand what is right or wrong! it is just one of those things.

yeah i know, ive just been reading on there paper kc kennel club and only the sire on the males side shows the hip scoring which is 3/4 is that good.
he as a very good line with lots of champions in the family there are 30 on his side.
with angel it doesnt state the hip scoring on neither sire or dame and she as a good line of champions too now i wouldnt think that there could be lots of champions if they have bad hip scoring you can correct me if im wrong.

Sorry but her ancestors are no guarantee that she will be fit to be bred from or free from hereditary faults, if that was so then those of us with Champions woudln't bother getting them health tested, and all their shown offspring would be champions also :D  Good ancestors just load the dice in yoru favour. 

The bitch not having scored parents and only one scored on the sires side gives you very little idea what the hip history is like let alone what they may produce or be like themselves, just not worth the risk in my view of having the litter.

Unless you intend to get seriously involved witrh breeding then having one litter does the breed, your bitch or their owner no good at all, so I suggest you shelve the idea.

>i wouldnt think that there could be lots of champions if they have bad hip scoring you can correct me if im wrong.

Good show results are not an guarantee of good health.

Not trying to be judgemental either Sophie, but you have had problems with her nervousness (not saying this is hereditary, it may be caused environmentally, but only dogs of impeccable temperament should be breed from) and you have not yet had her health tested, particularly worrying in view of the fact that the dam has not been tested either.  Hip problems can occur after several generations and you have no way of knowing whether either of your dogs have problems (as they have not been tested), and you don't seem to have much to go on in their pedigrees going back a few generations either.  Unfortunately, it is not sufficient to base the quality or health of any dog on the basis of having lots of champions, so you don't even know yet whether or not your girl is even good enough to breed from.  I know several breeders who have abandoned the idea of breeding from bitches because either they have not turned out as they expected or health tests have revealed (unexpected) problems.  This is the responsible way to breed.

She needs to be spayed to be sure it doesn't happen again, and to terminate a possible pregnancy.  There are other means of termination if the bitch is needed for a breeding program, but that doesn't appear to be the case here.

I totally agree brainless! it would be best for her to be spayed. But im not so sure about terminated? I dont beleive in terminating unless there is a good reason to

To stop an illadvised litter is a very good reason, probably a better one than many humans use to justify the action in human beings.

Yes you are right. That is a good enough reason

Given one of your earlier posts your girl was 14 months at 24th June and hadn't had a season.  That makes her 18 and a half months now, that is quite young to be having a litter.  The main thing is to look after her now, if she is pregnant you need all the help you can get.  Your vet can probably give you all the text book answers but may not have attended many births so get all the advice you can off your breeder.  If she is pregnant have a look at all the posts relative to the subject and read up on the book.  There are other people in your breed here so as soon as you have confirmation start gathering information and your whelping kit.

If she isn't pregnant, breath a sigh of relief and plan her pregnancy carefully after your health test are fully completed.  Good luck with everything, I hope it works out.