Hi i'm new on here but i've looked at topics before and i don't want to start any arguments.

I've read various things about british bulldogs and olde tyme bulldogs and i don't think one is better than another but i'd like to know which is best for me.

I love the look of the british bulldogs and would like something as close to this look as possible. However i don't really want to have to wipe eyes, under tail, in wrinkles every day and have expensive vet bills.(correct me if i'm wrong, as i said i don't want to start arguments)

Out of the Olde tyme bulldogs which strain looks closest to to the british bulldogs and with them do you still have the daily wiping etc and the likely health problems throughout their life?

Thanks

I don't really know but looking at hipscores there's hardly any difference there!

There was a fantastic looking BB in Spain last week, really stunning and boy could he move and was very much like ours over here.  The heat didn't seem to affect him at all.  I've always liked BB's although I could never own one.

why couldn't you own one?

Probably because her heart is already with another (breed) :D

Interestingly just saw two bulldogs enjoying a walk, very fit they seemed too.  I think as long as you don't klet tyhem get fat,a dn like any other short nosed breed don't take them out in the heat you shouldn't ahve health problems if you buy from a reputable breeder who breeds for health as weell as type.

As for cleaning folds etc, would imagine this would be necesaary for any dog that has such features.

When I was camping in wareham forest in the summer I saw a british bulldog trotting alongside its owner on a bike - perfectly fit and healthy :)

This is sounding quite good for the british bulldog, it's just when i've read things on breeders websites they list all the things that can and quite often do go wrong with them, maybe it's just to make potential owners aware of what they're taking on?

That's it and unfortunately other breeders of other breeds don't!!  At least you know what could happen, doesn't necessarily mean that it will.

Oh by the way, yes I am in love with a different breed which couldn't be further away from the BB, Spanish Water Dogs, scruffy, hairy, big, soft, mad creatures which I've had for 13 years and can't ever see me being without :d

I'd like to hear from anyone owning either breed for their personal experience, the more info the better!

I've known one...she was lovely and completely fit and healthy.I last saw her when she was 7.
I think its like any breed...be aware of the health prolems within the breed(ALL breeds have something to be aware off) and research the dogs and pedigrees to find a breeder who is producing fit and healthy dogs of the type you like
Good luck
Archer

I own bulldogs and I have no more expense than my rotties,mine leap from the sofa,run me ragged, hassle visitors,walk with me granted not as far as a rottie but they are a smaller breed.
They snore like an old man but have no breathing problems,fart like a trooper and are as stubborn as my grandfather but when you fall in love with a bulldog you fall in love with it forever.

Im not going to say the breed doesnt have problems because they can/do but then so does every other breed.

Where in the country are you?Could you go to a bulldog show and see them and chat to the breeders,I will gladly help you as much as I can.

Oh Carolyn, I love it :d  Farts like a trooper :d   My Spanish are the same when they are pregnant for some reason 

Remind me not to date a trooper!! ;)

I'm in colchester, essex

I've looked at breeders websites from my area and sent them e-mails asking all about them, i only did it yesterday so i havn't had replies yet.

Carolyn can i ask how old your bulldogs are ?

The thing is i don't mind paying for good one (£1800) as long as theres not going to be lots of expensive vet bills down the line

I own a bulldog and am planning to own another one soon. We love him and dearly and im a big fan of the breed... We havent paid out alot of money in vet bills no more so than any other breed just the usual worming, injections etc........ But to be honest money isnt an issue when it comes to him......... I clean him everyday but i like doing it as i feel we bond more and he enjoys his walks hes very fit and healthy and not overweight hes 7months old and i havent owned a Bulldog before.... But theres a lady down my street her Bulldogs is 10 and the only thing wrong with him is he has "dry eye"
Sarahw2000 im in Harold Wood essex

Does he drool much, thats something else i've been meaning to ask?

Never drooled.... When he has a drink i wipe his chin as he tends to put his whole face in the water bowl... So i wipe his chin when hes finished.. But my mates Bulldog doesnt make a mess when he drinks....

Nope never drooled here either.

Hi mine range from 3 years old down to 10 weeks (our ever home bred baby bulldog)
I am a volunteer for bulldog rescue and I love the breed.

How about going to the bulldog of the year at LUTON REGIONAL SPORTS CENTRE
St. Thomas Road, Stopsley, Luton on 26th November,that way you can see some very nice bulldogs,get a feel for the breed.

There are other shows next week 1 in Birmingham and the little more North,you would be made very welcome and the hospitality the bulldog people put on is lovely.

Hi Sarah. I have bulldogs ranging from 15 weeks to 5 and a half, they're all VERY fit and agile :-)

I did and they FART with a capital F :-)

hiya
''They snore like an old man but have no breathing problems,fart like a trooper and are as stubborn as my grandfather '' LOL
you are describing my 2 EBT bitches
if you want a bull breed look into these. just a suggestion!
Donna

I own an English Bull Terrier. These dont really look like the British Bulldogs at all but these are less demanding. I dont have to wipe his eyes or under his tail in peticular at all.The bills are not that high, but there might be financial differences between different people.

Hi Lola
I don't own a British Bulldog cause of there health problems i own a Olde Tyme Bulldog who is 9mths old and has only been to the vet's for her injections and to be mircochipped she keeps up and plays with a staffordshire bull terrier a boxer and pitball and she mainly out runs all of her playmates i don't have to wipe her eyes or under her tail and i can't believe the kennel club still keep this unhealthy bulldog that's why we bought an Olde Tyme Bulldog

At just 9 months most dogs are relatively healthy........

hi, we have a british bulldog called ruby, she is two and a half years old, very very fit, and has the most loving nature, my children are 26, 24,and 17 years of age  so she is terribly spoilt. i can,t really say that we have had any real problems with her and as for cleaning her face, she loves it, we just wipe her with a babywipe. she has no tearstains. mostly the reason people don,t buy bulldogs are because they can,t afford them, however if you can then you will never want to own any other breed as they are really special, and we have had other breeds

Thanks for all your input everyone, i'm getting a good idea of the breed and i've been talking to someone who has victorian bulldogs aswell.
I still havn't made up my mind as i've heard good and bad first hand experiences about the british bulldog and i think part of that is down to luck of which one you pick and not just down to a good breeder, but i'm going to keep researching and maybe start going to a few shows so i can eventually make a decision!

Hi sarah
I have an 8mth olde tyme bulldog bitch i researched as much as possible on the web as i wanted the british bulldog only to be put off with there health probs Lola is a healthy dog she has only been to the vets for her jabs.Go to google and type in old tyme bulldogs it will give you a list of all the bulldogs and there probs good luck and just to let you know we are very happy with the breed

forgive my ignorance - but I am genuinely curious...is an old tyme bulldog a real breed? Or just a designer variation? Can they be KC registered... they're not listed in my book of breed standards??

No, the Old Tyme Bulldog is one of many variations on a theme, and not recognised as a breed by any national Kennel Club.

I have an 'Olde Tyme Bulldog' in my current puppy class - his owner has worked really hard with him and I am IN LURV (with the dog ;)).  He doesn't 'tick all my boxes' but it's certainly a 'breed' I'd consider in future.  He's steady, devoted, gets along well with other puppies, plays appropriatly, takes some motivating sometimes - but that's all part of the challenge :)

That's why i came on here, i've tried searching for olde tyme bulldogs and victorian bulldogs on google, yahoo, wanadoo etc and it doesn't come up with anything really

Thanks Jeangenie, I suspected as much :)

Its funny but all the people with the B.B. that I know also swear they are fit and healty,but funny how they always seem half dead after running around with my Staffys for no more than 15 mins.Actually dureing the summer,one of them collasped,when taken to the vets the vet said don't let it run around with other dogs for to long,and do not take her out when it's hot.The vet reckons the B.B. just is'nt able for all that.I how ever do know one B.B./Am.Bull bit*h,which has taken more to the B.B. side and she is a very healty and agile dog,and by dose she keep up with my Staffys.But she is one of a very few that dose so.I'm sorry but it is a known fact,unless many vets a wrong that the B.B. is in a very sorry state these days.Is'nt there even talk of changeing the breed to have a longer muzzel and to be a healtier overall breed.I use to like the B.B. untill I learned more about dogs,I very quickly lost interest.I do however love the Bullbreeds,and if your looking for a healty fit Bulldog look at the Dorset Old Time Bulldog.That is a great breed,and gaining popularity at an amazeing rate.And at half the price of the B.B. I would highly recomend you give this breed a look.I do not own one so this is not a byest comment,I have done a lot of looking into the Bullbreeds,as I was once thinking on getting one.

How do you know that ALL bulldogs are unhealthy and how do you know EVERY vets opinion? i think you make some very sweeping statements.What evidence have you got to say these things? Your opinion seems to be based on the bulldogs that have ran around with your staffies,hardley very knowledgable or factual evidence for EVERY bulldog.There seems to be some people who has never owned a bulldog that make these 'well known facts'. Do you think that the people you know who own a bulldog are lying to you about there dogs health? Are these people your friends? If they are your friends and were lying why do you think they would lie to you?

Good points there Duddles. I really cant stand it when people makes judgements of British Bulldogs on hearsay. I own a Britsih Bulldog and would never have any other breed.
Until someone owns a particular breed then people can make judgements on there personal experience not by what there been told by someone else.

There's a certain vet who used to be on TV who calls all Bulldogs and actually any pedigree dog.  Unfortunately if people listen to her we are awful people who occasionally have a litter no matter what breed!  It doesn't matter that many of us health test!

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My mate's don't try say their Bulldogs are healys dogs,I ment people like you.And I was'nt compareing the Bulldogs health on the basis of a Staffy.I was saying I have Staffs and they run with my mate's B.Bulldogs.The point I wa makeing was that the B.Bulldogs do be f**ked in no time what so ever,and it make's not a difference what breed it may be p;aying around with.And no I make no judgements on a single vets knollage of the Bulldog,in fact a great number of vets have the same opion.Not so long ago a certain T.V. vet was saying the B.B. should no longer be aloud to be bred in it's curent condiction.In fact as breeders how far care we willing to destroy a breed to reach our own goals;is very difficult breeding enough to make you think,we gone a bit to far here,or how about when it reach's the stage when a breed can't in the majorty of case's even give natural birth:is that far enough:obivously not.It's no secreat that the B.B. breed is in a very bad way,and to denie this or say you don't think so says a lot about you.I really hope you don't breed the B.B. as if you think theres nothing wrong with the breeds health and genarel state then you obivously would not be breeding to try fix this sorry state the breeders have brought this once great breed to.My mate's ain't idiots,they know the B.B. is in a sorry state,but they love the breed and do their best  for them.They try to get them as healty as possible and keep them that way,but unfortunatly and it's no secret what may be called a fit B.B. would be an insult to healt to any other breed.What surprize's me here is your acting as this is unheard of,take your head out of your ass and wake up to the problem.Because it's only then that the breed can start to improve.  

I am not getting involved in this, most here know my take on the state of the Bulldog, it always seems to go round in circles no point arguing anymore or having an opinion.  There are always people to defend their chosen breed and nothing or no-one will change that.

Nemasis is the people you KNOW with bulldogs different from your Mates with bulldogs.This is from your previous post 'Its funny but all the people with the B.B. that I know also swear they are fit and healty Whats the difference?
That certain T.V. vet was saying the same thing about ALL pedigree dogs.
You still have'nt gave me any proof that EVERY bulldog is unhealthy, and as for taking my head out of my ass hardly a constructive point on the subject, i think you seem very RUDE in your personal attacks.

O.k fair enough I was rude,I apollagise.Some people I know have B.B. but no they would not be my mate's.I however do have mate's with B.B. and they do their best to keep them as heatly as is possible for a B.B. that just happens not to be very healty.And they have as they have told me being told by vets to not exercise them so much.Come on a lot of B.B. have to have their tonsils removed just to try make the airway a bit larger.I'm sorry but what you call a healty B.B. may be healty for the breed,but it sure as hell ain't healty for a dog.If your involved in this breed and you are on here trying to say the breed is'nt in serious trouble then it is no shock thats it's in such a bad state.If you said yes there is a lot of problems but we are now trying to do better for the breed and breed away from the exagerations that have lead to these problems and are breeding to produce a fitter dog,then people would see you ain't suffering from breed blindness or maybe kennel blindness.You call your breed a Bulldog,well I can tell you the B.B. could never carry out any of the farm work it was bred to do,and certinaly would never make a catch dog.So yes it is a very unhealty Bulldog,can it do anything a Bull dog is ment to do.Do you think it would be capable of competing with any other Bull breed at anything,or just be able to perform as any other Bullbreed?No it could'nt carry out a single task any other Bullbreed would have no problem doing.

I bet your staffy would appear slow and ponderous compared to some other breeds. ;) Speed and agility varies from breed to breed, and shouldn't be used as a yardstick for good health. :)

Very good point JG.

a few dogs have chased my dog from boxers, labs, JRs (oh alright they have got short legs) and a staffy but not one came anywhere close to catching her. BTW none of the dogs were aggressive, just wanted to play but my dog is a cowardy custard :rolleyes:

Wrong,my Staffy are worked and kept very fit doing at least a few hours exercise every day.I do weight pulling,flirth poll,spring poll,weight dragging,cycleing with the dogs and also attach the dog via a weight pull harness to the bike and the dog pulls me along.Along with this I get them doing a lot of runniung and jumping,so you could say they are kept healty for a dog of any breed.I am not talking about surpream fitness I am takling about what would be exceptable in breed.And the B.B. just dose'nt get near exceptable to it.I am certainly not trying to compare breeds,just what is a healty level for these breedes.Adog should be able to run around and play,do some rough play,be able to be active as long as the other dogs.If we got a large number of breeds and let them mix and run around and play I think the B.B would be on the side line a long time before the rest.

Hi Nemasis,
Can you please read my post in Breeding (which season is best by simmyg) i have been picked on big time so after reading your post i feel i have some backing about the Olde Tyme Bulldogs,you will see my reasons after your read (at last someone who can read) many thanks Simmone and Lola who is a healthy Olde Tyme Bulldog who can keep up with staff's boxer's and a pitball who she has made friends with in our local park

Simmyg, you have not been oicked on for having a bulldog cross, but for wanting to breed from her with insufficient knowledge/good reason fir what you are trying to do. 

Breeding should not be about just producign puppies.

You should have an aim, a 'breeding program' with objectives, a standard you are striving to achieve.  At the moment there are lost of bulldog crosses (who of course will have all the genetic flaws of the parent breeds, and worse won't even be tested for any of them).

Until the proponents of these retro bulldogs start a co-ordinated effort with a standard and code of ethics which require health screening, then their stated objectives of creating a healthy bulldog are just so much 'bull'.

Did you read the compare a breeder article?  Have you the commitment and contacts to start such a program of breed establishement and improvement?  this will be a lifes work, not just about letting your bitch have pups, and of course needs to be done in co-operation with other like minded breeders.

Surely it makes more sense to strive to prodcue healthy bulldogs within the breed, there are some about despiote what theri detractors will twll you.  there are lines that can self whelp and breed naturally, and I ahve to defen the Kennel Club here, the breed standard has been altered to take out any wordiong that will encourage exageration, so the breeders have a standard to which they can breed a healthier dog.

Hi Brainless
I have been made to feel like a chav just out to make some £££ well in fact im a middle aged women who has read and spoken to lot's of people about the breed and i thought i would get a responsible response to my Q as you read i owned a K.C reg ROTTWEILER for 13 yrs who died a virgin as we tried to mate her on numerous occasions with experienced stud dogs i have been told by and read alot of different view's on which season is best so i have phoned Lola's breeder who is on hand night and day with any problems and she told me Lola's mum was 3 when she had her first and only litter so i'm thinking around that time will be good for my much loved and healthy BULLDOG

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