i live in london, i am not able to not take CLEO out at all - she most go out to go to the loo, SOLO has not been out EVER considering he is only 11 weeks old, and was due to go out on friday, though he started to cough on thurday morning. I at no point said i took solo out, as that would be irresponsible.... I am not irresponsible in the fact that i did not take CLEO to a place where other dogs might be. The vet told me that cleo was clear, and as she hadn't shown any symptoms until we were on our walk i felt it was ok to take her out... she only started to cough while she was out - and we took her directly back to the car, there was no quicker route. We also cams across no dogs as i said.
Also the vet said that it wasn't KC when i took SOLO to see him on friday night.
please enlighten me to what advice it is that i have got from other people that i have ignored? I have taken everything on board, and was doing as i was advised by both the people on this board and the vet. I have looked lots of stuff up on the internet, but have seen nothing about a dog actually bringing stuff up when it coughs...that is what i was asking, and i dont think your original comment was answering that question, or in fact particularlly helpful - which begs the question why you said it in the first place? if you had nothing to say on the question that i asked why did you say anything at all??

She is probable bringing up goo because with an infection of the nose/throat/chest, 'goo' is swallowed and vomited or the lung is congested and the 'goo' is cought up. Whatever name your vet choses to call the infection it is contagious and IMO your dogs will have to be kept away from other dogs and not let out until they have been 7 to 10 days with out symptoms. Please seek the advice from your vet again tomorrow and don't take the sick dog into the waiting room. Jackie H

PS the 'goo' contains millions of germs so clear it up and disinfect asap and watch not to walk in it as you could spread it to other dogs.

Thanks jackie, am due to contact vet again tomorrow, doesn't work on sun! Believe me i have kept them away from other dogs, and areas where other dogs go - but still have to take cleo round the block as she wont "go" in the garden, but there has been no more "goo" since the run this morning - maybe it was too much for her, and brought the coughing on? The vet has said that it was safe to take him out once the coughing had stopped completely - ie att leqast 24 hours with no symptoms, but will check again tomorrow.

The dog should not be leaving the house. You say she will not go in the garden, if kept in she will HAVE to!!!
Kennel cough is a serious illness and by walking your dog around the block you could make her even more ill. I like one of the other posters, am paranoid about kennel cough due to nearly losing a dog with it. She survived but is very ill with it whenever she gets it. I also had a 5 mth old puppy who caught it badly, it attacked the immune system and inturn she developed demodectic mange. The vets feel it was the kennel cough that started it all.
You do not have to meet dogs going around the block, I have been lead to believe that if another dog comes into contact with the spot where your dog coughs etc for up to an hour afterwards they can catch KC.

Hi Nicolla, Just an idea. If your dog has a tendancy to catch KC every year, and is really poorly with it, your vet can give her an "up the nose" vaccine to lessen the risk for a while. It dosnt last a year, but may help.

Hi Philippa
We used to have the vaccine done every 6 mths but Beth had had the vaccine when she was so poorly. The company actually paid to have tests done to find out why the vaccine didn't work.

KC is caused by a lot of different viruses just like our flu so it is not really possible to cover all possible viruses with one injection or nose spray, which is why most of us do not bother to try. Jackie H

I had a young GSD go down with severe KC - green mucous from the nose and discharge from the eyes - coughing!
It floored him!!
I gave him Benylin. Kennel cough can be either productive or dry.

>>I have looked lots of stuff up on the internet, but have seen nothing about a dog actually bringing stuff up when it coughs...that is what i was asking

Alex, these were just four sites that I pulled up instantly on google:

Dogs become infected by inhalation since these viruses are readily transmitted by aerosols. Both adenovirus-2 and parainfluenza virus-2 result in localized infection of the respiratory tract. Each virus attacks a different part of the respiratory system, so together, the damage caused can be severe. Once inside, these viruses replicate and are shed in respiratory secretions. Thus, coughing and sneezing by an infected animal can result in spread of infection to susceptible dogs. In severe cases:
conjunctivitis - inflammation of the eyelids and discharge from the eyes
tonsillitis - inflammation of the tonsils
anorexia - loss of appetite
lethargy - decrease in activity
Source: http://members.shaw.ca/virology/kennelcough.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kennel cough is highly contagious and is spread through sneezing, coughing and contact with infected nasal secretions. Kennel cough is most commonly transmitted when dogs are put in close proximity to one another
Source: http://www.kennel.ca/vaccinations.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Symptoms: runny nose,phlegm-producing cough,Some dogs with severe cases will develop pneumonia. Source: http://www.vetcentric.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The primary sign of kennel cough is a dry- sounding, spasmodic cough caused by pathogens that induce inflammation of the trachea (windpipe) and bronchi (air passages into the lungs). At the end of a coughing spell, a dog will often retch and cough up a white foamy discharge. Some dogs also develop conjunctivitis (inflammation of the membrane lining the eyelids), rhinitis (inflammation of the nasal mucous membrane), and a nasal discharge. But if you suspect your dog has kennel cough, isolate it from other dogs Source: http://www.cah.com/library/kennekcough.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For more information, type 'clinical signs kennel cough' into google.
It will give you 1,180 pages. HTH :-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>>SOLO has not been out EVER considering he is only 11 weeks old,
>> I at no point said i took solo out, as that would be irresponsible.... I am not irresponsible

Really??

>>"We have been down at my parents house" .. "on weds got into our field" .. "he did say hello to a few dogs last tuesday at pup trining"

>>The vet told me that cleo was clear, and as she hadn't shown any symptoms until we were on our walk i felt it was ok to take her out

Your 2nd post says....

>>cleo is a little under the weather but no cough or anything

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>>We also cams across no dogs as i said.

>>she went for a drink and then started the coughing and retching.

What was the water? A puddle that other dogs will also drink out of? When she was coughing and retching, did she leave any *droplets*?

>>but still have to take cleo round the block as she wont "go" in the garden

So you are still willing to risk other peoples dogs?

>>Where there specific symptoms that you could warn me about? Lethargy or discharge

My advice to you Alex, is to observe your dogs :-)
They are displaying all the "specific symptoms" you need ;-)

Leigh,
Thank you for the information. In future i shall do more research on the internet and not bother people who may be able to help me sooner.
Solo has never been out on the ground - and he must have picked it up from puppy class. My parents live in the middle of nowhere. there is a farm about 3 miles away, and sometimes the dogs have been seen around the property but that is it. And all this was before solo actaully showed any symptoms.
I was aware about the nasal secretions, and the eye infections, it was the vomiting of liquid type that was worrying me.
Cleo is regularly under the weather - very sensitive dog who takes on what is going on around her, and there have been some things that shall not be writtten about on this board as i dont believe that this is the place to tell people of your personal problems or upsets.
Cleo will not go to the toilet in the garden, FULL STOP. What else am i to do? There are no dogs on the route we take to the grass (not a park), we have never met any dog on our way there in the year that i have lived here.
No the drink she had was not from a puddle, but from a bottle that i take with me, as she always gets very thirsty out on walks, and i do not allow her to drink from puddles, due to dogs peeing in it, and rats, etc
I asked about specific symptoms in relation to Phillipas post about her dogs dying of KC, and was asking of symptoms that may be cause for undue concern and an amergency rush to the vet, not as in a general way.
As you have pointed out i should spend more time with my dogs, or looking for useful information on the internet instead of posting on here and asking for help and advice from other people that may have been through the same in the past. I believe you have been asking for help in the same way - how would you be feeling if someone had done to you what you did earlier to me.
i am very grateful to everybody that has given me help and advice on this board in the past and on this thread, thank you.
Alex

Your dog will go in the garden she will have no other choice if you don't take her out. If nothing else you should avoid exercise as it will bring on coughing. Jackie H

Agree with your comments totally - it's common sense :)

Have to say I agree with all Leigh has to say.

Im lucky never had a dog with kennel cough but if I did I would not take them out walking and if they wouldn't do there buisness in garden well tough as im sure after so long the dog would have to go.

Karen

Barney had KC after we took him to visit our local puppy training centre. The next day he coughed once and when he did it again we took him to the vet that afternoon as I am a terrible worrier (my vet loves me :)) and we were able to go straight in and luckily there were no dogs in the waiting room. The cough wasnt that bad but persisted so took him back to the vets before the antibiotics were finished and she said to worm him (I think for 10 days) as there may be worms in his lungs. We did this and he was fine. May be an idea to worm them both too? This is the main reason I am posting as worming has not been brought up. Others on here will let you know if I am wrong :D

We did not even let him into the garden to do his business and used puppy training pads as there was an old doberman next door who was very ill and I was too worried he might catch it too.

Best wishes Gina

Hey gina, That was really considerate and nice of you. :) :)

If she is not taken out she will have to go in the garden.

You would not be taking the risk of infecting other peoples dogs, if you had seen the results of KC on a litter of puppies as I did 2 years ago.

I watched a friends litter of 2 week old puppies die one by one from suffocation (and I mean that literally) because some irresponsible person had KC in a dog at home and knowingly took his other dog to ringcraft classes because that one wasn't coughing. Out of a litter of 6 healthy puppies one survived. It was a horrible thing to witness and all caused by one ignorant person.

Please please Cleo do not take your dogs outside of your garden whilst they are still coughing, plus please make sure that you do not go out of your house without changing your footwear as the virus can be transported on the soles of your shoes.

As I said earlier we have an outbreak in this area, and its seems to be one of the most serious KC virus. Apparently the only antibiotic that is touching it is Baytril.

Regards

Jayne

Jayne Can you please tell me about Baytrill,as we may be taking a dog in who is on these and we've been told they are £3 each tablet
Many thanks

Hi Mattie

Sorry my information is limited, except to say that it is a much more powerful antibiotic than the normal synulox, but according to my vet, if used on young animals does have a contra-indication of possible arthritic problems later in life.

We did try it as a last gasp effort on the puppies in my previous post but it had no effect except ( possibly) on the one that survived.

The reason I know about Baytril being used for this outbreak of Kennel Cough is that my daughter grooms occasionally at a local kennels, and they have been told by all the local vets that this is the only antibiotic that is touching this particular bacteri(only hearsay I'm afraid but I believe it is the Bordetella bacteria that is involved).

I have used it myself a few years ago on a bitch with suspect pyo (high count of white blood cells, etc.) and it certainly did the trick then, she recovered fully and went on to have two healthy litters.

As regards cost, I know it is more expensive than Synulox, but £3.00 per tablet sounds excessive to me.

Regards

Jayne

hi ,
cleo has been proscribed Marbocyl tablets after i told the vet the info that you had given me. They are an antimicrobial (whatever that is) and they cost me £23.50 for 5, half to be given once a day. I think it depends in the area you live how much the medicine costs you. Solo is on synulux becasue he is so young.
Thanks every body for your help: just have to go and get some liquid parafin, cleo is clenched tight!

Yes, you are correct Alex. I have asked for help on subjects that I have had no experience of. I do know how to retrieve information from the net and I have asked for feedback from people here, in very much the same way as you :-) and I am very grateful for all the help and support that we have had.

At the moment, I have a dog who is dying before my eyes and another that is unwell. When my dogs showed the first signs of diarrhoea, they were *quarantined* to my property and have remained so until we get to the bottom of our *problem*.
I have lost count of how long now, but it is weeks.
That is ALL my dogs. Not just the two that are ill.

I am not prepared to risk other peoples animals, knowing that I have sick dogs here. Badger has had the all clear as far as *infectious* diseases/viruses etc go, but I am still not prepared to risk other peoples animals,even if he was strong enough, by exercising any of my dogs off of my property, until I am 100% sure there is no threat to anyone or anything. There is a high concentration of elderly dogs in my area. I would hate anyone to have to go through what we are going through at the moment.

If Badger were to catch kennel cough at the moment, it would undoubtably end his life very quickly.

You say your dog will not *mess* in your garden, but you are willing to pander to its demand to go out to *go*, knowing it is ill? When you are walking her round the block, you are passing houses that may contain dogs in Badger's position, puppies or just dogs in general. Your dog doesn't have to actually *cough* on any of these dogs to pass the virus on. She only has to pass through the area.