i picked up my little pup yesterday and forgot to ask what she was crossed with. i phoned the breeder today and she is crossed with a lhasa apso/ aparently the lasa male was boarding with them and caugth the bull bitch.

now what a weird combination hey?

Oh my word can't start to begin to think what it will look like :D

It will probably have short hair as that gene is dominant.  May well have an undershot shortish jaw, and height could be anything between Lhasa an Bull Terrier.  Wonder what sort of proprtions it will have, short on leg or leggy?

she is a chunky built girl, has the chest of the bully, she has a wide forhead but her jaw is not undershot at all and i think she had the eyes and muzzle of the lasa.

her legs are chuncy.

here are some pics.

http://groups.msn.com/MYLIFEOFHORSES/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4

http://groups.msn.com/MYLIFEOFHORSES/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1

Be interesting to see how much if any stop she ends up having?

she's a wee cutey!  i had a vision of a long haired bully - like dougal from the magic roundabout but with a bull terriers face!!!

Shot hair is a diminant gene so they shoudl all be short coated, if god forbid one of them was bred from to a long coated dog then soem woudl be long coated in the pups that got a two long coated genes.

Short coat is dominant yes, but wire hair, as in the Lhasa, is dominant over non-wire so the pups should end up with short wire coat as in the Border Terrier or broken coated, with finer texture.

Julie

Have always thought the Lhasa was along coated dog and not a wire coated?  Or are all the dogs with shaggy heads technically wire?  I did think the pup reminded me somewhat of a border Terrier actually as it has a round face :D

Yes, the wire hair gene is a bit of a misnomer really, it has nothing to do with texture.  It interupts normal growth pattern allowing hair to grow long on the parts that are normally short on a longhaired or shorthaired breed...face and front of legs.  Together with the recessive longhaired gene it allows body hair to grow abnormally long allowing the extra long coats found in Lhasas, Beardies, Yorkies etc.

Julie

So would you guess that this pup will be broken coated?

Not sure.  I don't know much about broken coat.  It does sometimes occur when wire is crossed with non wire which indicates that the wire hair gene is actually a co-dominant ie only partially dominant.  Also lots of influence from modifying genes which would make it even more unpredictable when two completely different breeds are crossed.

Julie

she does have a broken coat, on her chin and chest area. the coat on her back is smooth and glossy like you would find on the bully. but the hair on her chin and on her chest is quite course and long. she almost has a bit of a beard growing from the sides of her chin.
her tail is bully like no doubt about it. the mother was a pure bread bull terrier, and the dad was a full bred lhasa. so one would expect the characteristics to be somewhere in between.
she is quite yappy like a lhasa. but fearless and very sure og her self like the bully :-)

Wwith a crossbred litter you rarely get a pup that is half way between the parents for traits, some will be but others will have more of one parents traits ans ome the others or varying traits from each.

For example in a Rottie cross Dachs litter with just two pups, one was a square built but small size asult, and the toehr was Rottie size, but with short legsw from the dachs.

So your pup could have shortish legs, or long ones, or maybe in betweem or be as tall as long (bully) or longer in body (Lhasa).

Be interesting to see what kind of adult she grows into.  In soem ways it is an idea to prepare yourself for the worst traits (with average luck you won't get them all) of both breeds and train so that these are less likely to be expresed. :D

Should be an interesting journey :D

I had an Afghan x Terrier (mum was a bit like a smooth parson but slightly larger ;) ) he was one of four in the litter, 3 grew to almost Afghan size and were smooth coated, they looked like slightly heavy smooth sloughi's, the dog I rescued (at @ 2 years) was the size and shape of a biggish Bedlington and had the Afghan coat but without the shorter areas, although as he got older he lost the long fur over his nose and his beard got very thin, he also had the movement of the Afghan and the temperament.

I'm wondering whether Lhasas are a genetically dwarf dog (short legs and longish body ;) ) which may or may not be dominant, anyone know?

I don't hink achondroplasia is dominant as you get the odd case crop up in breeds with normal conformation like Labradors.

And yet it's dominant in corgi which is how Bruce Cattanach (sp?) was able to breed out the short legged dogs easily ;)

Then I must be mistaken and the cases that crop up in other breeds must be spontaneous mutations.  If I rember rightly with the boxer Corgi the first generation were all shortlegged, so your  right it must be dominant.

therefore if this is the gene in the Lhasa then the pup will be relatively shortlegged, with a broken or rough coat?????

There are at least two different types of achondroplasia.  Most crosses involving a short legged parent do end up short legged.

Julie

I'm sure there must be dominant, recessive and spontaneous types of short legged/smaller dogs, they haven't all been researched yet :)