Hello after reading the topic on Pitbulls I tought I would like to inform some people who seem to think the Cane Corso was a fighting dog or used as a fighting dog that ye are complety misinformed.The Cane Corso was never use'd as a dog to fight other dogs.It was and is a gaurding and coarsing Mastiff.The Corso is a great dogand make's an effective man stopper,but as a fighting dog they would'nt even enter that catagorie.And no the Cane Corso should not be on the D.D.A. And the person who spat that crap that they should be on the D.D.A. with the other few breeds on their short list well what the hell are you doing on a dog forum.Simply any real dog lover dose not want to see breeds exterminated.If we put breeds on the D.D.A. because they were origanally bred to fight then what come's next.What about hunting dog's,please do not tell me you think the Pitbull should be banned and hounds that are bred and use'd to hunt a little fox in cowrdly large numbers and catch it and pull and bite it to death should excape.So that now brings the hunting breeds into it,now thats a lot of breeds.So we are left with non working breeds,you would'nt be German by any chance would you! 

I must say, I recently met two unrelated canes through work (veterinary nurse) and they were lovely dogs. Definately a lot more friendly than than some examples of the smaller toy/terrier type breeds i have had contact with (sorry terrier/toy fans).
I spent some time talking to the owner and agree that they should be achknowledged by the kennel club. Im also pretty sure there are more canes in the uk than there are the 'rare breed' that im involved with, that was recognised earlier this year.

Good luck to the Cane!

Sue

The Cane Corso Club U.K. has set up a reg for the Corso.This should suit the needs of the breed,and the quailty of the breed will now improve massively in the U.K.  Nothing wrong with it at present,but with a reg and club keeping records of the breeds health,numbers,line's and just overall there for the good of the breed,then the only way is up.   

I can't be bothered reading through the pitbul one again. I remember mentioning Corsos (or is the plural Corsi?) and several other breeds including the shar-pei which I own. You have no idea how many times I've explained why shar-pei are not reaaly a fighting breed, but that's for another topic.

I was highlighting the stupidity of DDA in that one dog of a certain type was banned and another wasn't. No dog has been more abused as a breed than the pitbull - you only have to watch 'Animal Cops' from whatever city on Discovery and every single episode there are pitbulls who are so emaciated they are effectively walking skeletons, badly injured and had no vet treatment, beaten, used as fighting machines or bred half to death. The only reason I think pitbulls should stay banned is to stop that happening to the same degree here in England.

So in case it was my post that you misconstrued, can I just say that I love the Cane Corso and the only shortlist they are on of mine is of the dogs I'd like to own. I just hope they stay in the right hands because there's far too many of their cousins the Neo's that aren't.

Speaking of Corsos, have you ever heard this as I have several times. They are very popular in the USA, but when taking into account the amount of genuine imports from Europe, there is no way that all the registered Corsos in the USA can be purebred. It's actually mathematically impossible. I must admit I've seen quite a few on the net over there that look like they have a touch of Neo, Great Dane and Rottweiller.

As you can see nemasis the enthusiasm for another dangerous dog is not exactly overwhelming is it. These dogs should never have been allowed in the country at all, there are enough problems with 'some' other dogs.
It is a very nice picture you paint of the breed, how cute, however when people cover things up with iceing there is usualy little fruit underneath, do you think we are stupid? why tell us about the victim of these dogs in SF?
Oh I am sure it slipped your mind, I mean the one where they drained ALL the blood out of the womans body, and thats not all is it which you conveiniently forgot is it? in fairness you did say guard dogs, just overlooked the ravaging they do.
People here take long months and endless effort with a light weight little dog like spaniel, to get a normal recal.
I somehow dont see these huge dogs getting owners spending all that time and immense strength and energy giveing them the time they need to be under very firm control they need for dogs of 'that' nature.
Let me guess how you came bu them, you heard aboutthe woman in SF whose blood was drained and thought "Oh I will get some of those, they will sell quite well and at a good price whilst they are rare", not far wrong am I?

Does patronising, antagonising and rude come naturally to you or do you have to work at it?

>>do you think we are stupid? why tell us about the victim of these dogs in SF? <<

Actually, you must be stupid because the woman in SF was killed by two Presa Canaria, NOT Cane Corso. These dogs were kept in an apartment and had already attacked the victim and other people in the past - action should have been taken against the owners and the dogs removed WELL before that point.

What other breeds should be banned? Where would it stop? Why would the Neapolitan Mastiff be allowed and not the Cane Corso? Presa Canaria aren't even banned here. And where do you stop? You can't draw laws up based on the lowest common denominator in society or none of us would be allowed to leave our houses, let alone own dogs or even a bread knife! I have a Tibetan Mastiff - are they okay because they are fluffy despite having the same size, agility and potential killing power of a banned fighting dog like a Tosa? On the surface of things TM's have been specifically as a guard dog and to be stranger aggressive - are you going to ban my breed? Or are we going to get a think tank of d*ckless wonders and just ban the breeds that they'd say in best Ali-G stylee "Oh, I want one of dem innit, becuz it's a 'ard looking dog innit - Biggie ud be proud uv won o dem guarding his stash, bruvva" In which case the TM would be safe as they look like a big cuddly teddy bear and not a gladiator.

>I was highlighting the stupidity of DDA in that one dog of a certain type was banned and another wasn't. No dog has been more abused as a breed than the pitbull - you only have to watch 'Animal Cops' from whatever city on Discovery and every single episode there are pitbulls who are so emaciated they are effectively walking skeletons, badly injured and had no vet treatment, beaten, used as fighting machines or bred half to death. The only reason I think pitbulls should stay banned is to stop that happening to the same degree here in England. >

In fairness i watch Animal cops all the time and there is a HUGE number of pitbulls taken from fighting rings, homes where they have been neglected etc...(as you say) BUT there is also a HUGE ammount of other dogs that come in to the rescue with EXACTLY the same injuries, wounds and circumstances that aren't pitbulls. Yet these dogs get months and months worth of rehabilitatin and vet care to be able to be rehomed. The pitbull or the likes never seem to get given that oppertunity do they ?? As soon as you see them go into the rescue you just KNOW they will be PTS. i have yet to see one of these "fighting dogs" show ANY form of agression towards people, and while i understand they clearly have been taught to fight other dogs there must be some help available.

They usually get euthanized as sadly, if they are put up for adoption they often end up back in the pit. Plust there's more than enough BSL in the USA state by state.

A human-aggressive fighting dog wouldn't be worth the bets laid on him, he'd be too unpredictable and not really worth the bother, no matter how good he is at fighting if he's likely to cause the owner serious injury there's no point in attempting to fight him.

As a note I don't agree with dog fighting but as i've said before if you visit some of the 'top' fighting kennels a lot of them are better kept than a majority of pet dogs, again I don't agree with dog fighting but excluding the fighting part they do have a better quality of life. Also although they do fight other dogs if they were completely and utterly untrustworthy with others they'd never be able to get them to breed, I say this only because I was told you couldn't trust a dog with a bitch in heat, which leads me to wonder how would they breed and become a problem if that were true?

Before I start rambling off about pitbulls and the way owners give them a bad name i'll turn to the Cane Corso.

They're fantastic dogs, wonderful dogs, as I do have a fascination for that general 'type' (though i'd never own one - at least not where I currently live), but as I also adore the Foxhounds which chase a wee fox in cowardly numbers I shouldn't really raise my tongue, it may get chopped off by someone who believes they should all be banned so we will be left with the 'safe' dogs - the robotic ones which don't bite, urinate or defecate.

Anyway ... this was pointless.

>As a note I don't agree with dog fighting but as i've said before if you visit some of the 'top' fighting kennels a lot of them are better kept than a majority of pet dogs, again I don't agree with dog fighting but excluding the fighting part they do have a better quality of life. Also although they do fight other dogs if they were completely and utterly untrustworthy with others they'd never be able to get them to breed, I say this only because I was told you couldn't trust a dog with a bitch in heat, which leads me to wonder how would they breed and become a problem if that were true?>

I couldn't comment on that because i dont know. I have seen alot of documentarys on dog fighting and i can HONESTLY say i have never seen a well looked after "fighting dog" yet for some reason these dogs STILL dont show human agression. I also couldn't comment on the quality of life in a "top" fighting kennel, BUT i would bet my life that their dogs haven't got a quality of life anywhere near as good as mine and prbably everyother PET owner. (So i suppose i did have a comment on it afterall) :D

Nemisis, it is totally irresponsible, specifically to UK and especially sites like this, to promote dogs such as CC as well as it is irresponsible in the first place to import for breeding purposes. Cane Corso is fine in mainland Europe where you have top class, experienced ringsports, IPO and Schutzhund trainers and protection dog trainers of all breeds in every town, village and dorf in Europe, on top of that training there are excellent obedience trainers all over Europe as well with a vast experience of dogs such as CC (a dam good dog if trained and owned properly)
The CC is well placed there in the hands of any enthusiast who has ample availability of good trainers, what you have done by the sound of it is to import for breeding purposes without ensuring full and appropriate trainers and facilities of any kind are available for people to train them and that would take many years to set up combined with legal owner agreements that they must attend them before full outright ownership takes place. You only have to look through this site to see people on the edge of a nervous breakdown with simple dogs like a Jack Russell or a lab which they cannot even walk on a lead let alone get a recall.
There is no to one train these people here. Apart from one or two of their clubs Schutzhund clubs rarely ever take anything other than GSDs and Mals and you have to a good level of obedience before you can take any dog on the fields.
Breeding and selling Cane Corso, let alone promoting on a site such as this, is a recipe for utter disaster, by all means bring in a dog for your purposes and if you breed sell the litters to Europe where they can train to the required standard, to late now, looks like the damage is underway

If a documentry showed a well established fighting kennel with heated kennels, high quality food and children playing with them I don't think the shock value which is needed to show everyone that dog fighting is not OK would be there, uness of course you filmed only the bits of the actual fighting then show the injuries/blood/general gore ;) As I said if the owner/breeder is serious and makes fighting his job it is in his best interest to take the best possible care of his dogs, from nutritional values and exercise to accomodation and careful choice of breeding partner.

When I say pet owners I mean the majority around here who stick the dog outside, chain it to a kennel and chuck it 10p 'sausage' food once a day where the only social interaction it gets is someone shouting "shut yer fooking trap" and other such wonderful language. You also have to be careful when you say quality of life as i'm generally referring to the point of view that nutritional and physical needs are met alongside social interaction.

But that is getting offtopic.

You seem to be talking up the fighting kennels like they are doing good jobs and looking after their animals ?? Any animal that is bred to fight is not being looked after it's being used and abused !!!

Where is around here ?? The people who you seem to class as "pet owners" are people most of us wouldn't consider fit to have dogs anyway. When i said " pet owners" i meant people who love their animals and treat them like family members, NOT people who keep dogs to use them for their own selfishness or cowardness to fight themselves, so they get a dog to do it and bet on it.!!

Quality of life doesn't just mean a well fed warm dog !!! Whatever happened to actually LOVING your dog ??

Purple Straw, it's not either or you know. I don't care how well fighting people look after their dogs, they are vile, despicable scum who are every bit as morally bereft as somebody who ties a dog in a back yard and 'forgets' to feed and shelter it. You know, there is a third way where you feed, care for and LOVE your dog for what he/she is and treat them as a family member. Some pitbulls are actually treated like that.

I just can't put myself in the mindset of somebody who would enjoy seeing a living, breathing, sentient creature like a dog - especially one they (if you're to be believed) have so lovingly nurtured for months - be ripped to pieces while people leer, deal drugs and bet huge amounts of money on which dog they think will win. Then when they are done with fighting, they don't take them to the vets, they pump them full of fish antibiotics and stitch them back together without anasthetic.

and why don't you tell us about the cats and bait dogs that are used to train these super cared for dogs up? They don't get the same level of pampering do they!

PrupleStraw

> When I say pet owners I mean the majority around here who stick the dog outside, chain it to a kennel and chuck it 10p 'sausage' food once a day where the only social interaction it gets is someone shouting "shut yer fooking trap" and other such wonderful language.<

Where is this?

What is wrong with you chez_swa? nemesis has already said they are everywhere, yesterday you spent half the day slagging off someone who was giveing a reasonable idea of things in at lest one city, Purple Straw seems to have an awareness of it, Phoebe has just said about the dogs and cats used for baiting, where on earth do you think these dogs, mainly, for baiting come from and then go to? they are everywhere except your candy floss head (and a few other candy floss people here).

Where do you live?  It is not very common at all for dogs to be chained up to a kennel in the UK.  Some people will have a dog running freee in the garden with a kennel for shelter, or evn have proper kenels and runs, but the vast amkority of pet dogs are kept inooors at all times.

What a silly question where do you live, when you start talking about the criminal fraternity you dont put yourself in the fireing line, what a daft question, its like wandering into the old Kray country and saying listen you naughty boys if you two dont stop hurting people I am going to tell everyone about you, is this board about the dog in modern britain or is it about how many naive people can post naive questions.
A more realisitic question is why is the RSPCA with all the reserves it has avoiding the escalating situation, wait till after this xmas, you'll see,play station top selling xmas presi, staffs next best, watch this time next year when they are a year old, ofh and never mind where I live, mind your own buisness

What's wrong in asking where you live? Is it the UK, or the US, or Canada, or Australia? I don't think the 'criminal fraternity' is going to be able to locate you from such detailed information! :rolleyes: You could even go as far as saying the North-West, or Tyneside, or London (if in UK) and still retain your anonymity! :D

Interesting that you (Hogarth), and Red Devil both only registered yesterday and have exactly the same attitude and life experience as Snowy05 aka Dennis Carthy (who he denied being yesterday, when his writing style and tone was recognised). 

Am I senseing a split personality disorder Denis.

Do you really get a kick out of wildly sensationalising very unlikely scenarios, and then launching personal attacks on board members????

And today's Denise points are awarded to Brainless! :D

Never played spot Denise before, but it seems quite easy really :D, what a waste of time though :(

Hello here come the bores,a subject beyond their ken so they (predicatably) repeat of the usual boreing stuff, I hope you don't keep parrots, guests wont stay long with the same old sylables over and over again.
I want to say we have all ( those who are taking part in this) have lost the plot and side tracked onto fighting dogs again.
This is a little known breed here and this is an opportunity to learn more about it (before the less literates  get the post closed ) I would like nemesis to give more information on what they are generaly like with other dogs, things such as do they spark off at the slightest thing or are they tolerant as a whole and how close to the surface of its personality is the guard elemant.

Welcome Hogarth.  I see that you've just registered today too. :)

Care in the community :rolleyes:

When did they let him out, I wonder?