Of course I couldn't call them, as I have no evidence. You, however, obviously have enough proof to earn yourself a very useful sum. ... don't you? ;)

You know what....I think Dennis might have reinvented himself as a "hoodie" :D :D :D

Margot

Darn! I was going to claim today's 'Denise' points! :D :D :D

lol @ Lokis mum :D

Eactly Jeangenie!  I think that Snowy05 is living in a macho dream world! Not that these things don't happen but, as Chez Swa pointed out it is a very small world in this very large world of ours.  I have known the police to come out for a dog barking! So if someone were to phone in with an organised dog fight going on, they would turn up with police vans and dog patrol with all guns blazing.  This is the real world!  These undergrounders (small minority groups which is why they are undergroud) only get away with these horrific things because of people like Snowy05 sensationalising their behaviour and not reporting it!  Epping Forest for one is a very afluent area, if dog fights were going on there the police would certainly be interested, and if people like Snowy05 reported these goings on the perps could be caught and banged up! There's no point in saying no-one would be interested if called, how do you know if you don't call? If we don't all work together, we can't stop it!

Ah well back into the world of fantasy it seems, no one gets paid for newspaper stories for one thing, although a paid journalist would if there was a story in it for them, apart from that by your reasoning if anyone says anything here it is untrue so that is derogatory to the each and every poster on here.
Lyssa following in Lokismums footsteps as her doppleganger - by saying I said something I most certainly did not (epping forest) why do you make things up when it is there for all to read, thats two of you, Lokismum and Lyssa quite literaly making things up when my writing is there for all to see.
Fantasy people making things up as usual.

<<Fantasy people making things up as usual.>>

Takes one to know one, Dennis!

Margot

I have no idea who denis is but your posts simply degrade the board, you are on a subject (city dogs in london) of which you have absoloutly no experience at all and by implication trying to imply you do have experience, you are obviously, by your writing here, a sheltered rural woman or person living a quiet life and to shocked at the everyday reallity of life in a large city. so you made things up, such as saying I said a Staff bit another dogs head off I said no such thing so why do you lie like that?
You need to explain yourself to regain credibilty, 'country lady'.

>Lyssa if dog fights were going on there the police would certainly be interested,<

Oh my good maker in heaven JUST HOW SHELTERED are you people, lets try A is for Apple type responses.

1.  (A).
People have reported it to the police, its a dog fight in the park they are not interested and even if they were they have no resources or manpower HOW MANY MORE TIMES DO I NEED TO REPEAT THAT?.

2. (B)

> and if people like Snowy05 reported these goings on the perps could be caught and banged up!<

Dont be sooo ULTRA naive, 'caught' no one would run away for one thing, two dogs in a park and fight starts thats not an offence let alone JAIL?????????????

Where on earth have you been liveing? Isle of Lewis or somewhere. geezz

I quote from your posts Dennis (and if you're not Dennis, then you do have a doppleganger, whose word-useage is idential) :-

<<Below are normal everyday life events common throughout this vast city, London.
Local small park 5 dogs known, suspected many others, to have been killed by staffs this year al in daylight and with ordinary people passing,, one with its head bitten off............... Dogs stolen at gunpoint, especially staffs, several reports per week and increasingly the most common crime all over London........... killing other dogs in the park is the fastest growing sport for the under 16's, something to do with some rapper doing a sound track and video with 2 staffs on it.......... I have been going to secluded parts of Epsom forest for ALL my excesses for well over a year,>>   (What excesses, I wonder )  You then correct yourself in another post and say "I mean Epping Forest".

Dennis, your geography is sadly at fault - if you go to Epping Forest, that is East London.    Were you to go to Epsom (which doesn't have a Forest, only a Heath) you would be going South West of London.   I think that if this was not fantasy, you wouldn't have made such a howling gaffe! 

I know many investagative journalists who would happily go underground to get such a story - if it had some credibility.   Now please - go away.  You know this thread will be pulled - as they always are when you are around .

Margot

You're the one in fantasy land! All you say is nothing more than heresay unless you can back it up with specific facts such as exact location, dates and times of day these alleged happenings took place. 

First you said:

>I have been going to secluded parts of Epsom forest

Then you corrected yourself and said:

>I meant I go out to Epping forset.

So which part of "by saying I said something I most certainly did not (epping forest)" didn't you say? :D

>my writing is there for all to see.

That's the only true thing you've said! :D :D

Jeanigeni quoted me...

>>"local small park 5 dogs known, suspected many others, to have been killed by staffs this year al in daylight and with ordinary people passing,, one with its head bitten off"<<

Yes AND???? where does that say a staff bit another dogs head off ?????
As it happens staffs are slowly being replaced by much more cpapble large dogs, mixed pit bull staff and a few more things, withing 18 months those dogs will be everywhere in London
I would like to hear from other cities instead of the countryfied gentry liveing on cloud 10.

<<been killed by staffs this year al in daylight and with ordinary people passing,, one with its head bitten off>>

YOur post, Dennis!

Margot

Just to correct a couple of points Dennis - yes, I am fortunate enough to live in a quiet backwater - but one which is within 5 minutes of Tilbury and its environs (including the pub with the reputation of being the roughest pub in England by the Sun a couple of years ago).

We live in an area which is in urgent need of regeneration, and EU funds are necessary to prop up the area before even the Thames Gateway kicks in - it is an area that is high in the PANDA reports (a recognised government report on the number of children in receipt of benefits).   It is a high deprivation area which at onetime took in the London Overflow (many, many GLC "sink" estates).    I have worked with Social Services and the local Youth Service/Probation service, have fostered teenagers as well as my own family.   We've known life on benefits too - and I don't write about things that I don't know about.

Margot

So you worked with children did you. Well not suprised they have problems for one reason alone, my name is not dennis, that is some obsesion of your own and you have no reason whatsoever to even think that let alone write it and the otherthing, which should not have surprised me really, is that by implication your source of national knowledge is of all things 'The Sun'.
So for somone who simply makes thins up and reads 'The Sun' to be dealing with kids, I suppose, explains why you are unable to commicate at an adult level here.

Keeping my replies to a level which you might understand, sweetie :D

God Bless Lokis mum!  This is a site for debate about dog issues, not for personal attacks!

Snowy05,  I am open-minded and always ready to listen and be educated.  However, I get irritated by people who insult my intelligence by feeding mis-information in order to scaremonger. Sorry, but I am not gullible and unless people can back up their claims with substantial facts I take their stories as Tom Tit

It's quite obvious you don't remember what you write! (Could that be because it's all in your head!)  Millions and Millions of us live in the real world, a few hundered even thousand live in a macho, evil, nasty dogfighting world, this is an evil fantasy world!   The other millions and millions of dog owners never in their lives get to see such things. Therefore I think that you will find OURS is infact the real world! And I think perhaps I sense a little jealousy that you are not in it.  I suggest that you either move, or like the other millions of Londoners who never see any of this, change your friends!

Nice one, Lyssa! :D

Margot

Exactly Lyssa :D

Snowy05 - I'd like an answer to MY post please

Lyssa said >>>"Epping Forest for one is a very afluent area, if dog fights were going on there the police would certainly be interested, and if people like Snowy05 reported these goings on the perps could be caught and banged up!"

I had actually said>>>>I have been going to secluded parts of Epsom forest for ALL my excesses for well over a year, its simply not safe or even close to safe in any > >>LOCAL<<< park I know. Corrected to: I meant I go out to Epping forset

Lokis mum said a few things which made no sense, but, all it really amounts to is LokisMum and Lysa and maybe a couple more simply cannot face the real world of dogs, so we end up with well understood condition known as denial and certainly no reply to my posts by the above two have any rational base, symptomatic of 'denial' or fantasy as most know it.

Snowy05 - out of interest - what dogs DO you have?

I am intrigued.

Your just a gullible teenager with a novelty thing about dogs Chez_swa, go out dancing or something.

ha ha ha ha :D :D :D

ha ha ha ha still laughing :D :D :D

We won't get any answers, we know this - just wriggling, and personal attacks :D

I'll wager we wont even discover what sort of dog is unfortunate enough to have Snoy05 as an owner!

Margot

Well come on then, educate us on the real world of dogs and tell us where these parks actually are, the parks that have dogs killed that is.  Next month I am going to London to visit some of my family who live in various areas of North London so I would appreciate it if you would tell me where these no go areas are so I can walk my dog without worry

Come on then, which parks? or are you having a senior moment?

Still laughing by the way :D

I have an 11YO samoyed.
As far as N London parks go, a close neighbour used to send her fairly old bitch boxer to her sons at Queens  Park area when she went away some week-ends, I think thats N London. She stopped doing just over a year ago because he said he did not want to take the dog because there were a lot of dog thefts at gunpoint there and a lot of problems a park there, thats all I know about N London first hand but I and anyone else just accepts such information as a matter of fact and nothing unusual.
A small minority here seem to be unable to relate to reallity, I hope it is not their dogs which are on the receiveing end to prove it.

But I thought you said it was South London????

Hang on, you said >Thats the common thing in London, I have some mates south of the river and its the same there

You have mates south of the river and you walk your dog in Epping Forest, you don't know where Queens Park is.  This adds up to you not even living in London yourself, certainly you don't know much about it if you don't even know where Queens Park is. You led us to believe you lived in N.London by the way your post was worded. 

Like I said, all heresay and no facts

> Chez_swa Quote, Hang on, you said  "Thats the common thing in London, I have some mates south of the river and its the same there"<

I said> >>"I am lucky I live in poplar and can travell to epping or more often through blackwall and into kent."

I hope you don't apply for university or some studies chez_swa, you are making no sense at all now, non whatsoever,
Poplar one side of the river Greewich, Charlton Lewisham the other, access Blackwall Tunnel about 3 mins journey, ferry another crossing but boarding can  take a while though. Epping just up through Stratford but that can take a bit of time.
North London I don't know,never go there its miles away,your not used to the big city are you and yet you have the arrogence to write about it....
......your dogs in for a big and very unpleasant surprise here with someone as irrisponsible as you in charge of it

I don't need directions of how to get around London thanks.All I want you to tell me is the facts.  We all hear scare stories all the time about all sorts and if we believed them all we would be too scared to leave our houses.  You appear to be just a wind up merchant who likes people to think that he knows more than anyone else.  Fact is you don't know, you are only repeating what you have heard.  Yes, there was  *one* person held up by a gun for their dog and do you know what?  I heard that from the TV news.  I haven't heard of dogs being killed in a park with one having its head bitten off and you will not tell us exactly where this happened.  I too now have to assume that you have a vivid imagination or that you are gullible and believe everything you hear.

Chez_swa>> "I have heard one dog stolen at gunpoint and that was on the news"
My (chez_swa) logic is that must be the only occurance because nothing else was on the news.

Ah well,your dog at the end of the day. I have said it all including the fact that these things are not even news stories here, compared to everything which goes on they have little gossip value much beyond the local knowledge/gossip, even muggings at gunpoint get almost no coverage and not many people would report it anyway, what for they never catch them, take it or leave it.

Sorry I have scanned ALL your posts on this particular thread, and at no time do you say you live in Poplar - you must be confusing this forum with the other fora that you frequent!

I know several of the parks in Poplar, and from my conversations this morning with our local dog warden, who operates in close co-operation with the dogs wardens in Tower Hamlets, Redbridge, and Epping Forest, all of which converge upon his area, whilst there is a problem with irresponsible dog-owners in these areas, one of the major problems in Poplar is that of people allowing their elderly dogs to foul pavements.  

<<As far as N London parks go, a close neighbour used to send her fairly old bitch boxer to her sons at Queens  Park area when she went away some week-ends, I think thats N London. .............thats all I know about N London first hand>>

I really am surprised that, living in Poplar, that is all you know about Queen's Park - after all, it is only a bus ride away on the No 15 bus!

Your comment, following on from that's all I know about N London first hand goes on to say <<but I and anyone else just accepts such information as a matter of fact and nothing unusual>> shows that you are accepting urban myths as truth - which shows just how gullible you are!

Margot

Margot

Margot, you are so right.  

He twists everything everyone else says because he can't give a straight forward answer to a straight forward question.  I didn't say that the person held at gunpoint was the only person, as I said before I am open-minded which is why I am asking you to provide the information you keep hinting that you have.  That the story was on the TV just contradicts what you said before which is that dog stories aren't newsworthy.  So come on for the last time tell us exactly which park these dogs were killed including the one that had it's head bitten off.  I don't believe you are going to tell us because you don't know, because it's what you heard and you don't have the proper facts.

Even your neighbour who stopped sending her to her son's in Queens Park (which is noted to be a particularly run down area) only stopped sending her dog there on heresay not because of any actual incident that involved her.

Lokis Mum says >>> "Sorry I have scanned ALL your posts on this particular thread, and at no time do you say you live in Poplar"

Another totally committed statement, live or die by it (yet again)

I wrote on Page 2 - -- snowy05 22.10.05 08:05 GMT
Quote me:
"I am luck I live in poplar and can travell to epping or more often through blackwall and into kent." end of quote.

But I did not read the rest of your post because anyone can see that non of your posts and a couple (a minority of others) are simply not of a healthy nature, let alone reality.

Still you have teeny bopper chez_swa in need of both an idol and fantasy as well as misquotes

I put my hands up and apologise for one erroneous post - yes, you did say that you live in Poplar - for some reason my scanner missed that  when I used it last.  For that mistake, and for misleading OTHER people, I do apologise.   I was wrong on that point only.

I still stand by EVERYTHING else that I have posted.   You are gullible, and are attempting to frighten other people.   So stop it.  Please.

Margot

If you are trying to insult me don't bother, your personal references to me are just plain funny, although I am not sure why you use them.

Perhaps it's just your pathetic evasion tactics to draw attention from fact that you can't answer a straight forward question

I think if really read back to my first post and then through your own posts since, you will be frightened of what you have become, here in your twilight world of the internet.

why' that? spell it out

<<twilight world of the internet>>

You do like that term, don't you?    Remember that from last week's exercise :D

Perhaps it's because it describes your life - sad really :(

Margot

Yeah well, my twilight world on the internet will be shortlived, I expect another 2-3 weeks at the most.

All these little twists and turns are just evading tactics to avoid answering questions though aren't they?

OH DEAR, another londener thinking they live in the BRONX.

So what is your point to all this ?? Are you saying that staffies should be banned aswell ?? Are you saying dont reintroduce the pitbull ?? Sorry i've lost the plot and really have no idea where you are coming from !!!