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Topic Dog Boards / General / Advice on dog next door
- By jadey [gb] Date 27.09.05 18:42 UTC
I have 4 dogs 2 J/R's a corgi x and terrier x. I cant get my dogs out in my garden because my neighbours dog is always leaning over my wall peering at my dogs.The owner dont give a damn.This dog has bitten someone already but it wasnt reported.She has fallen over the into my garden and im worried if she does this again and my dogs are out(my dogs are always out int he garden with either myself or my daughter who's 18 and on long ropes)what she would do to my dogs.I have no intension on speaking to the owners about this as they already know because they are out in the garden with her sometimes.My oldest dog is 12yrs old and its the 1 dog my neighbours dog doesnt like.I have just started working 2hrs of an evening and this is the time the trouble start. pls pls help
- By mygirl [gb] Date 27.09.05 19:16 UTC
Can't you raise your wall higher? Or make something to put on the top to prevent him from getting up?

I would smear some obnoxious substance (that black tar stuff to deter burglars) on the wall i'm sure the neighbour won't like the dog to come in and ruin her furniture :D
(Just joking :eek: )
- By LucyD [gb] Date 27.09.05 20:10 UTC
Not a bad idea though! Perhaps not tar, but something to discourage him from peering over!
- By Brainless [gb] Date 27.09.05 20:44 UTC
Anti climb paint.
- By jadey [gb] Date 27.09.05 21:49 UTC
The wall my side is 5 and a hlf feet but my neighbours side it is only a foot high so this dog doesn't need to climb on anything at all,she just leans over.She will try and snap at my dogs.We just cant go out in the garden without this dog leaning over the wall even if i dont have my dogs with me.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 27.09.05 22:33 UTC
Well raising your fence to 2 metres would make it aqbout 3 feet their side, so if the dog is small that should stop it looking down itno your garden.

Why not have a word with your neighbour maybe they don't realise that yu have a problem with their dog looking over?
- By jadey [in] Date 28.09.05 05:29 UTC
The dog is an alsation so it can lean rite into my garden without standing on anything. She takes it work with her(the owner works as a security guard).The dog is let out in the garden from 7 am till 7pm when my neighbour is off work.The dog is not properly trained as a guard dog.The owner knows that her dog is causing problems but finds it funny.I dont fink it is fair That i take my dogs out in my garden and supervisor them but this women just finks her dog has every right to lean over and bark and snap at my dogs and my family.My 12yr old son will not go out in the garden incase this dog bites him.The dogs head is level with our faces when she leans over the wall.The dog has got out the front door before and bit someone.Do i have to wait for this to happen or is there anything i can do.
- By digger [gb] Date 28.09.05 06:00 UTC
Can you screw some trellis to the top of the wall (you could then grow plants across it) to increase the height?
- By theemx [gb] Date 28.09.05 11:27 UTC
Trellis....and grow something spikey up it.

and for more trouble causing suggestiosn (id advise you do go and ask again politely before you do this...

accidentally, whilst watering your flowers, spray the dog with water whenever you are letting your dogs out.

Oh no, you have squirrels using your wall as an access to your house... so you have run a length of electric fencing along YOUR edge of the wall, at squirrel nose height (and oh gosh thats the same as nosy gsd height)...bzzzap.

It does help if you find out WHOSE wall it actually is. If its yours you can do a whole lot more to it than if its theirs.

Em
- By Bazza [gb] Date 28.09.05 22:32 UTC
Apart from there being a legal requirement to keep a dog on the owners premises, the easiest way is to erect a fence/barrier on your own property. The legal maximum height without planning permission is 6 Foot.
As the fence/barrier is then on your own property there is nothing to stop you painting anti climb or tar substance on it.
I would add that if the neighbour decides to take down the existing fence as the new one is better, then a boundry marker is advisable, IE posts every few feet otherwise the neighbour may claim the extra ground as their own.

Bazza
- By Brainless [gb] Date 29.09.05 02:32 UTC
Surely this would count as nuisance and harrasment.  I would contact the Environmental health department and the Dog Warden, what with theier powers to slap ASBO's on people for antisocial behaviour, I would think this was very antisocial.
- By jadey [gb] Date 29.09.05 09:22 UTC
Thanks for all the advice.As for contacting the enviromental health i did so yesturday and was told unless the dog is out in the garden barking alot then they are not interested.3 of my dogs dont take much notice of her but 1 of them just doesn't like her.I cant blame her as she must be scared having this big alsation peering down on her from a height of 5 and a half feet........ bless her.I take them out in the garden when my neighbours dog is inside(they leave the back door open all day), by the time i get mine into the garden she is out there leaning over the wall.Like i have already said this dog has fallen over the wall into my garden trying to get my cat.The owners told me this and found it highly amusing.If it was my son leaning over their wall shouting at them there certainly would be something done about it.
- By tohme Date 29.09.05 14:21 UTC
I should think putting up an electric fence could be construed as anti social and a form of harrassment too. 

There are rules about putting up electric fences anyway.  There is also guidance on using anti climb paint etc which must not be used below a certain height.

You have said the dog is not barking but just peering at your dogs, which as far as I know is not a crime?

Or are dogs not allowed to look at the scenery.

Just a thought.
- By Jetstone Jewel [ca] Date 29.09.05 14:18 UTC
Sounds like a problem I had.  I stupidly spoke to the owners THREE times before I gave up and called the police, who advised me to shoot the dog.  The dog (+111 pounds) was menacing me (130 pounds), not my dog, and had already bitten a small child.  I had to call the police twice, they did speak to the owner both times.  The second time I called the Ontario Provincial Police I rounded up all the neighbours who had also had trouble, including the parents of the bitten child, and asked them to back me up and they all did.  Can you get support from your other neighbours?
- By Lokis mum [gb] Date 29.09.05 15:30 UTC
That answer might apply in Ontario, JJ - but not over here in the UK :eek:

Margot
- By Jetstone Jewel [ca] Date 29.09.05 18:11 UTC
Lokis Mum, let me be more explicit.  I meant Jadey might rally the neighbours before consulting with the authorities, not before shooting the dog.  LOL   I hope you didn't get visions of a posse of armed neighbours hunting down the dog.

Now that I see there is also a barking problem she might also enquire as to whether there is a noise bylaw.

In my case I discovered that we have an Animals At Large Act, which is provincial, and which must be enforced by our OPP.  Previously I, and most of my neighbours, had thought our only recourse was our municipalitiy's agreement with the local OSPCA.

But you know what?  Two neighbours were shooting at the dog, which ran loose all the time, whenever they found it in their yard.  They were both using pellet guns, which were pretty well ineffective against such a large dog.  My feeling is the pellets just made things worse and angered the dog, making it more dangerous.
- By Blue Date 29.09.05 16:20 UTC
Nancy I was born in Ontario :-) sorry sneak in.

My brother is still an MP out there.
- By LucyD [gb] Date 29.09.05 16:47 UTC
I'd go for the trellis idea with spiky plants. :-)
- By jadey [gb] Date 29.09.05 17:43 UTC
Tohme if you read my post properly i did say the dog does bark but not all the time and mostly at my eldest dog for which some reason she has taken a dislikening to and she also tries to snap at them.My cat is too scared to go near my back door coz this dog leans over the wall barking and snapping aggressively at my cat and my dogs.1 of my dogs i pick up and carry her out covering her eyes so she cant see this dog else from both dogs all hell breaks loose.I also take mine into the garden on long training ropes so i have control and they dont annoy my other neighbours.My nieghbours dog has bitten the neighbour the other side of them but no one wants to get involved.LucyD i am going to get a trellis and spikey plants tomorrow:)
- By jadey [gb] Date 29.09.05 17:45 UTC
I would also like to add my hubby works away but when he is home(like today) they dont let the dog out in the garden all the time and if she barks at my dogs they will take her.But if he isnt here its completely different.So i would say yes they are doing this on purpose
- By jadey [in] Date 11.10.05 11:25 UTC
My hubby told my  neighbours that we was putting a fence up this weekend.This weekend came and we bought all the stuff to put up a fence and my hubby made a start.My neighbour sent her b/f out to tell my hubby to stop because they had plans for the wall.My hubby explained that we was putting the fence up due to their dog leaning over the fence and snappy at us (head height) and our dogs.He said he understaood but his g/f said no.Any way we decided to contact our solicitor to see who's wall it is.In the meantime a few other neighbours have apporoached us saying a 72yr old lady lived in here before we did and she was scared to go out her back door for fear of this dog.I have contacted the dog warden who is not interested unless the dog is barking alot.This dog bite my neighbour the other side of me when the dog got out of the front garden(they dont have a gate).He went to speak to the owner about it and she opened the door and let the dog out and it bit this man again.It wasn't reported to the police.Has any1 got any advice what i can do to stop this dog from attacking some1 in my garden.I dont know wot else to do.
- By tohme Date 11.10.05 11:40 UTC
If the person who was allegedly bitten twice by this dog will not report it to the police there is little you can do as the dog has done nothing to you.

The police, quite rightly, will not act on hearsay or gossip but merely on evidence.

If you wish to raise a fence on your property inside a dividing wall that may be the property of the neighbour no one can stop you unless it is over 6ft high.  So it is irrelevant to whom the wall belongs if you decide to build a fence on your side of the wall.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 11.10.05 11:49 UTC
I thought it was 2metres, that woudl give an extra 6 inches which might make all the diference, and does this only apply to solid fencing, as I ahd a feeling you could put trellis or wire higher than that again???  Anyone know for sure?
- By tohme Date 11.10.05 11:54 UTC
Sorry mis type, 6ft 6 ins maximum height.

Don't know about the trellis or wire, I suppose that is technically a fence?
- By jadey [in] Date 11.10.05 12:09 UTC
can i put use trellis and attach it to the wall with screws on my side?We was only putting the fencing up to 6ft.
- By jadey [in] Date 11.10.05 12:18 UTC
i know its not the dogs fault its down to poor ownership.The dog isnt even taken for a walk.She is just let out in the  out in the garden.Its like an alley way between the 2 houses(thats the only way i can describe it.I have 4 dogs and they are taken for a walk twice a day.It annoys me that ppl like that have such big dogs then do no training or socialisation at all.
- By Lyssa [gb] Date 13.10.05 13:23 UTC
Hi,

You are having a terrible time, why does the law not protect the innocent.

Hopefully the wall will belong to your side so that you can errect the fence as it seems your only option if your neighbour is so unco-operative. (What a nasty neighbour)

Just had an idea, have your water hose ready and everytime this dog puts it's head over squirt it!  The hose is in your garden and it's head is on your side so legally the dogs owner can't do anything.  Hopefully the dog will learn and stop jumping up.  If it should get into your garden surely you can legally do something though! I do not understand if this dog has bitten people why nothing has been done.

Try the hose, or chuck some pepper at it.
- By tohme Date 13.10.05 14:46 UTC
Do you think that hosing the dog or chucking pepper at it could be considered as harrassment or cruelty?

Also, what if the dog violently objects to this treatment and, instead of going away, decides to mete out retribution?

Sometimes it is wise to think of ALL the possible outcomes before jumping in with both feet first.................
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 11.10.05 13:15 UTC
Don't attach anything to the wall until you know who owns it.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 13.10.05 14:51 UTC
If it turns out that the wall is the neighbour's property, there's nothing to stop you putting up a maximum height fence three inches within the boundary - but you'd have to be careful that the neighbour didn't start claiming the gap as their property too.
- By LucyD [gb] Date 14.10.05 12:34 UTC
Chucking pepper might be dodgy as they could argue that it went in the dog's eyes and hurt it, but I daresay you could get away with spraying water! Hope the solicitor gets back with news of the fence soon!
- By jadey [in] Date 17.10.05 12:34 UTC
i have just heard from my solicitor and unfortunately the wall belongs to my neighbour.What can i do? pls help
- By tohme Date 17.10.05 12:37 UTC
Erect a fence on YOUR side of the wall, there is nothing they can do about this as long as it does not infringe law ie over 6ft 6ons height
- By jadey [in] Date 17.10.05 12:37 UTC
Also my neighbour has told me that they intend putting decking outside their back door which means they will be raising the level of the ground to wall level.Which means their dog will be more easily be able to get into my garden.
- By tohme Date 17.10.05 12:39 UTC
I am afraid you are going to have to wait until this dog DOES come into your garden before you can take action.  If it DOES come into your garden you can ring up the dog warden and get them to collect it.  The owner will then have to pay to reclaim their dog and also may come under a request to keep the dog under proper control.
- By echo [gb] Date 17.10.05 13:29 UTC
I believe there may be a planning issue with putting decking in the garden which raises the level and may be intrusive upon neighbours.  Check it out with your council now, before the deed is done.  If they place the decking and are then forced to remove it they may be more antagonistic towards you. 

Just a thought, when you do put up your fence probably with trellis, many dogs don't like to put their feet on wobbly surfaces such as trellis in order to launch themselves over a fence.  They also don't like to put there feet on tightly pulled garden twine, you wont be breaking the law because its not wire, you could string some of that along the top of your new fence too.
- By nuttyhousewife [gb] Date 17.10.05 18:48 UTC
hi just a question about decking really we have a maximum height fence on either side of our garden well one side has put decking right outside there back door so now they are peering into our garden and into my kiytchen we have no privicy ,the fence is theres to any ideas what i can do
- By echo [gb] Date 17.10.05 19:01 UTC
If there is a planning issue the local planning department are the ones to advise you.  Not all councils are the same you really need to call them. 
- By jadey [in] Date 17.10.05 19:25 UTC
Hi and thanks for all the advice.The thing is i cant put up trellis or fencing due to the fact from my back door the the wall is only 4ft and gets very windy.Its like an alley way.To put up fencing or trellis i would have to attach it to their wall.There's no way they would agree to that.
- By nuttyhousewife [gb] Date 17.10.05 19:26 UTC
thanks
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