puppy is 5months but when i run him up and down praticing his tail  goes up like an antenna in our breed states never carried higher than the back, Well hers is goes up like a flagpole. Do they always go on to carry them high or does anyone know if as they mature they lower them? iT SUCH A SHAME BECAUSE SHE ENJOYS SHOWING AND MOVES WELL ANYBOY HAD THIS PROBLEM?

I have a 14 month border collie and he still does it. In our breed again the tail should not be carried above the top line. I'm trying to work on it without taking away the fun he has in him.
Generally it's because they are happy little pups and enjoying themselves.
At five months I would not worry too much and let them be a pup.
If you are doing ringcraft you could try saying tail and pushing her tail down. Another method which i'm finding is starting to work for me is when you go forward and the tail goes up. Stop use the phrase back (this is what i use but whatever you want to use) This gets my dog listening to me again and the tail comes down. I also slow everything down at ringcraft. If i'm doing a triangle. I start off at a walk, so the dog starts out calmer, then go into a jog if the tail stays down. At the first corner if tail is slipping up a little check and "steady"
Stick to one thing and the dog learns what you want from them.
I didn't want to scold my dog in any way just for the sake of showing. He's happy and cheeky and thats the way I want to keep him. But i'm teaching him slowly that when we're in the ring for those 10 minutes a couple of times a month that he is to pay attention.
I've found with my dog that the more I talk to him in the ring, the more excitable he gets so for the five minutes he's being shown he gets commands only. Once the judging has been done. I give loads of fuss, while he is still in the ring so he knows he's worked and received the praise for it.
It is annoying, as the feedback i've had on him the last year throughout puppy has been good but I have lost places due to his tail being carried too high. He's starting to come right and he's clever enough to pick up on what I want from him.
Just do a little at a time and softly softly. You don't want a statue with no personality in the ring.

Well you could make your dog miserable so the tail stays down or you could try clicker training if you are familiar with the system so that it becomes more rewarding for her to hold her tail down.

It is perfectly possible to train this.  Karen Pryor's book Click to Win is specifically on clicker training for showing.

HTH

I dont know what breed you have but the males in my breed have a tendency to fligh their tail.  You seem to be refering to the dog as a he and then a she so am a little confused.  I have seen many a champion with a high tail although personally it is one of my pet hates but I have got one of my dogs who refused to raise her tail and that looks equally as bad.  All you can is show the dog and see what happens.

Yes, tails tend to go up too high in the dog ring when the dogs are being stood - but luckily when they're moved the true carriage is usually seen when they're not feeling slightly threatened by all that other testosterone! If a tail stays high when the dog's being moved it ruins the picture.

sorry breed is springer and it is a bitch

I would try the clicker training, I have heard this is quite effective with flying tails :)

Cavs sometimes have gay tails too. My boy's mum (tricolour) also did it but her breeder managed to train her to keep it down in the ring. Not sure how, but it is possible!

Marvellous isn't it? If a dogs' tail is supposed to be high/gay etc.  the handler can hold the tail in position when standing/stacking, if a dogs' tail is supposed to be down can we do the same?  Nope ;)  not that I'd want to, but it seems a little discriminatory to me ;) :)

Personally I'd rather see a dog with its tail up and enjoying itself than tail down and slinking round the ring :D :D :D :D :D

same here much rather see tail up than clamped down this paticular bitch is so happy and just wants to please tail never stops wagging.Just the breed standard states tail held no higher than the back I WONDER WHY THIS IS?

The most important thing is that the tail is 'set on' low down and in the right position. 
If the breed standard didn't specify, then, if it wasn't bred for, your breed could end up with a Spitz type tail, curled over its back and a very different picture to the way it has always been. ;)

Don't worry, I'm sure as she gets older it'll come down to the proper carriage :)  Pups often carry their tails up because they're so enthusiastic, better that than bored to tears :) :) :)

she,s 5 months just.Do you think that   (if i can get hold of book click to win) it won,t be to late to start traing her i,ve never done clicker training so i think i,d better find some reading up on it

It's never too late to start any kind of training, I've trained a 2 year old (being part Afghan, his breed was more of a problem than his age, he was very difficult to motivate and recall was particularly difficult)  and a 6 year old dog who had never walked on a lead without pulling like a train (took all of 10 minutes to have him walking to heel :) )

Wish I'd had a clicker with both of these dogs, it would have been soo much easier :)

I'm thinking of getting this book myself, my youngest dog is 18 months :D

Crosskeys Books do inexpensive books on clicker training, I also bought a book/clicker package to start off, don't know if it's still available but you could ask ;)

Welshie I wouldnt worry about it at all on a 5mths happy Springer. As she gets older and as far as showing goes a bit bored with it the tail will come down. I certainly would not start training her to get the tail level at that sort of age  personally I like happy bouncy pups in the ring, not bored little statues. I also show Spaniels( Fields) and both by boys had less than perfect tail carriages as pups, but the set was low and they are always fine in the ring - and nothing worse than a Spaniel with tail down. So just let her be a happy puppy.