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Topic Dog Boards / Feeding / feeding and panacur liquid after effects
- By ceejay Date 18.09.05 18:37 UTC
Two questions please.  I have just wormed my pup for the third time - have read that panacur liquid can produce loose stools.  She certainly started this by the second day and now the first day after her last dose she seems even looser.  Is it a good idea to withhold food for any time? I haven't given her her last feed yet today.  We have had a mess all over the floor over night.

Secondly she is on Burns minibites - I have been told to ignore the amounts on the side of the pack and give her as much as she wants.  She is 8kg now and is having 350 - 400g a day. The vet said she could still put a bit more weight on.  I thought feeding too much could make a puppy have loose stools too.  The extra looseness is definitely since the worming - it didn't happen last time but I was feeding her less then anyway.  I like burns because stools are generally firmer and easier to pick up.  Can't take her out on the road at the moment unless she has a nappy :-)
- By Dill [gb] Date 18.09.05 18:57 UTC
You don't say what breed she is, but I would stick to the Burns guidelines unless YOU think that your pup should have more weight.  Vets seem to go by charts and we all know how accurate the AVERAGE weight charts aren't ;)

Panacur, like all wormers, can make the stool a little looser (or in some pups a lot ;) :eek: ) but there's no need to starve your pup, a little Bio Yoghurt should sort this looseness out in a few days :)
- By ceejay Date 18.09.05 20:32 UTC
Thanks - she is a border collie, 20 weeks.  I have missed her feed this evening.  I will put extra paper down tonight.  I don't crate her at night.  She was getting into a nice regular feed - poo routine before this upset. However  she is on a tiled floor so it is not the end of the world.  She was in kennels the other week and they were giving her 4 times as much as I was giving her - she filled out a lot in a few days.  Because she was thin before that her weight may not have been a good judge to work out her food allowance.  Feed to the puppy they said not what it says on the packet.  The vet then said to do the same.  Burns don't recommend over feeding.  The vet asked me if she scavenged.  Well she always has something in her mouth.  Grass and dirt mostly if she is out in the garden. Nothing new in the last few days though.
- By Missie Date 18.09.05 22:44 UTC
Ceejay, sorry but I don't agree with 'feeding to the puppy' - some will just eat and eat, I know mine would forever have their head in the food bucket if I let them and would probably burst before they stopped! I do know that if my bc x has too much, not only does she put on weight very easily but she will also have dire rear and maybe even be sick :( My other two could eat for England but again too much would give them the runs. My mums gsd x has food available to him all day/night, though he doesn't really eat much - he's a bit of a fussy eater and prefers human food and mum gives in to his every whim. When I take one or all of mine down they soon clean the bowls for him :D
JMO :)
- By Brainless [gb] Date 18.09.05 23:46 UTC
I don't know about the Burns but my pups of a similar size breed would never be on more than 9 ouces (250g) of complete, and 7oz (200g) as adults.  My freinds Border Collies get 12 oz (350g) as adults, so I would expect a pup to be on no more than 400g maximum, eventually coming down to adult amounts, but you must go by pups condition, lean but not ribby with  a waist.
- By janeandkai [in] Date 19.09.05 04:54 UTC
Burns recommend feeding 20grms of food per Kg of doggy weight for puppys
8kg x 20grms = 160grms per day or thereabouts reduces down to 10grms per Kg in adult dogs.
As quoted by burns feeding people :)
- By ceejay Date 19.09.05 08:19 UTC
That is what I thought. However she was more than lean when she went into kennels.  I had been concerned about her weight - her haunches stood out and her ribs were visible.  The other vet I saw did not seemed concerned.  However I think her visit to the kennels also coincided with a growth spurt - she has definitely broadened in the chest and I had to move her collar out a notch.   She is very active and has the run of the garden most of the day.  My gut feelings were to feed as per packet recommendation.  I felt so guilty after seeing how much she had filled out at kennels - I thought that I was starving her. So I continued giving her more - not as much as they said - a compromise. They had her on about 400g a day.  She is going back in to kennels in a few weeks time for a few nights again.  
She had messed again last night - dripping from one end of the room to the other.  I am cutting her down today.
- By janeandkai [gb] Date 19.09.05 08:39 UTC
Burns does tend to keep dogs on the leaner side according to many on here. I feed burns (adult) and found that mine was a little ribby but not under weight. I now add naturediet to the burns ( reducing the amount of burns accordingly) and he now has a good covering over his ribs without being over weight.

It could be that your girl is not suited to burns and another food may keep the weight on her better :-)
- By Dill [gb] Date 19.09.05 10:48 UTC
I have one dog who was far too ribby on Burns puppy, instead of increasing the amount which would have caused dire rear (I did try it) I found that mixing Burns half and half with JWB puppy, he kept the weight nicely without growing too fast :)
Topic Dog Boards / Feeding / feeding and panacur liquid after effects

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