No, having confidence is not a crime. Allowing yourself to be lulled into a false sense of security could result in your (or worse, that of the innocent person who trusts you) bitch's or litter's death. Yes, you cross your fingers and pray - but you should also have and experienced person on the phone and the vet on standby!

By all means tell people about your experience (one litter not yet weaned) - but don't delude them that it's plain sailing all the way. It's not fair on them.

Saying that I am afraid proves just how inexperienced you are.  

My first litter was a breeze, 6 puppies, pop pop pop no problem.  

Next litter inertia struck  do you know what that is , how to spot it and how to deal with it.. , pups had to be pulled out one at a time. It was a nightmare. 2 born at 2 different trips to the vets. 2 born in the car 2 different trips to the vets.

Third litter was 5 hours between each pup born out the sack and because it was dry births the 3  pups were out the bitches body but strapped tight to the bitch , I couldn't get the cord nothing. Nearly lost each and every one. My breed is small so with the help of a good friend , order was restored but I wouldn't like to do what I had to do with a big dog. My bitch was frightened to death and so was I.

4th litter was an emergency c section.  Bitch was pouring of blood and had to be sectioned 8 days early. She nearly died seriously.

only 1 puppy survived which was hand reared for 5 weeks and was really touch and go for the first 4 weeks.

Your breed would be a nightmare to hand rear the amount they have.

I would never wish a disaster on anyone but when you have had one you will soon change your mind. :-)

hi teri like i have posted u learn,i never needed a whelping box but yes i did have 1 ready.my bitch was very good with her puppies never had any problems with her lying on them every now and again yes but she was very careful.everybody has to start somewhere.all it takes is studying and asking the right people questions.

Hi Pocohontas1,

>everybody has to start somewhere

Very true - but the correct way to start is with the back up of experienced i.e. genuinely experienced mentors of your chosen breed and having bought a good quality bitch from a breeder who is happy to give advice, support and any ongoing help needed.

>all it takes is studying and asking the right people questions

No, I can't agree on that :(  Yes, studying - but far more than the whelping procedure itself - years of studying the breed, the lines within the pedigree of dogs being bred from, health tests and the mode of inheritance where known of breed specific inherited problems, etc etc etc.  As to "asking the right people questions", by your own admission on previous posts you have no experience and your own litter cannot yet be even weaned so how can you possibly advise someone else on what to do?

In any event, this is an accidental mating of two dogs that were never intended to be bred from anyway!  IMO the OP's situation is better served by replies from the very posters that a minority (for reasons best known to themselves) are determined to undermine.  Teri

im sorry but i thought the advice was for pink not to critise others and maybe it will be a first for pink so im giving maybe a first timer my first time experience.and like i said i wasnt scared for my bitch and i wont be scared the next time u all find this hard to believe but i dont.i'm not no expert but its a free country and i will give advise however i like when i like and dont expect to be put down about it.u learn as u go along like ive said before.and like i said were meant to be giving pink advise not critising each other why cant people just get along??

>and like i said i wasnt scared for my bitch and i wont be scared the next time u all find this hard to believe but i >dont.

You should be. Once you start to feel too safe, that's when things go wrong, and it is far better to always expect the worst. I have only had 2 litters of pups, but I have also had 43 litters of kittens, and through that I think I have been through pretty much everything that can happen  (not the same thing as pups, but when it comes to the birth, quite similar, so I have plenty of experience of pulling out stuck babies, clearing fluid fliled lungs, even giving mouth to mouth etc etc). Even after all these years, I still worry each and every time.

My first litter of pups was plain sailing as far as the birth went. With the second litter, one puppy was tiny, got pushed aside and didn't suckle. I didn't want to give up on him, not without trying, so he had to be tubefed with milk. Could you have coped with that situation? Would you have had all the necessary supplies at home? Known how to do it? My motto is rather have too much supplies, than not enough. As it happened this puppy just didn't thrive enough so I had to make the decision to have him put to sleep, but before that I did tube feed him day and night for a couple of days to make sure he had every chance, without suffering of course.

Each litter is different.

>i'm not no expert but its a free country and i will give advise however i like when i like

Yes, anyone using the forum is at liberty to proffer advice regardless of being >>"no expert"<<  -  personally I wouldn't want it on my conscience to possibly influence someone down a route that I had no practical (as opposed to theoretical) knowledge of but then we clearly differ in many ways.  

Knowing the host of things which can go wrong when breeding, should I do it again I will most certainly be scared, primarily for the welfare of my bitch and for the health of the pups.  It's a huge responsibility, even when there's in-depth knowledgeable advice readily to hand. 

Blue, I wouldn't take anything to heart, all I can see from your posts is that you have given positive advice 'so be it blunt' to a possible negative situation.
If it was me I would have read it as being something I should be doing urgently.

Lynn

<<blue i understand that but my bitch knew what she was doing she done everythink herself and to be honest i thought it was going to be more hard work that what it was but its been easy.>>

They say God looks after fools, little children and dogs :(

Thank heavens that the bitch did know what to do!

Margot

Back to the original thread!!!!!  ;)

Can I ask if you thought that your dog & bitch had maybe got together one day why you didn't phone your vet for a mismating injection?    This happened to me a couple of years ago, even experienced breeders have occasional accidents.   I phoned my vet and Mia was given 2 injections, yes, she had a few side effects but it was a lot better than a litter of brother x sister puppies!!!  

Please do phone your vet for advice and think very long & hard about neutering one of your dogs before too long.

Blue,

I had to laugh about 'heat's' in Scotland, 'season's' in England...you didn't tell me you'd moved South of the Border....now I'm English & living in Scotland, what should I call them? ;)

>Blue, I had to laugh about 'heat's' in Scotland, 'season's' in England...you didn't tell me you'd moved South of the Border....now I'm English & living in Scotland, what should I call them? ;-)<

Oh Christine don't  , everytime I read it I keep laughing :-D :-D

I never knew that people called it different depending where you live , (I personally dont think they do but don't tell anyone LOL )   I guess I have always said "in Season" and I an a Canadian in Scotland so that throws it right up in the air ;-)  they all mean the same to me. :-D :-D

Well I'm Scottish and live in Scotland and have always called them seasons, never have called them heats, maybe thats because it's usually freezing and raining up here.

Margaret

LOL at Margaret. :D

:-D :-D   We even sometimes say the dog has it's  "doodahs "

what an ignorant person you are in my experience since moving to england from scotland that is what people say when i came down here and said my dog was on heat no one new what i was talking about so yes i can write what i did because its my experience but all you can do is laugh how very rude

I am sorry dog mad you are and were the rude and ignorant person.  I am afraid and although I do not like ever to be personal, you completely MISREAD a thread and post completely,then implied that I was critical of someone because of their wording. You were 100% with no mistake WRONG, so wrong it was humourous . You jumped in with 2 feet and tried to imply something that wasn't there.  You should actually be apoligising. If it were me that had done something so obviously wrong I certainly would. To come back and have another pop is incredible. :-(

THIS IS the 21st century. Sayings are not kept for just one area now.   Some peoples only contact with dog people is on the internet and seeing as people talk from all over the world they will have similar sayings.

I am appalled that not only could you make an allegation up from something that wasn't there but then to continue to be critical because you were again corrected.

I have never EVER heard ANYONE call a dog in season in heat, so just because you think that is what people call it doesn't mean it is.

The point is nothing to do with what people call things and it never was , you have fabricated something out of thin air..!!!!!!!!!

so you LAUGHING every time you read a post is nice is it not in my book in my book its rude and if im telling you that where i come from in scotland everyone said IN HEAT well then its true i lived there you didnt

Dog mad, stop digging. ;)

Blue said:

>I an a Canadian in Scotland

She does live in Scotland, and to tell her she doesn't is just plain silly. :)

(Besides, when I lived in Scotland people sometimes said 'ON heat', not 'IN heat', but that mainly referred to cats, not dogs. ;))

OH  PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!  

Dogmad you are missing the whole point.  Are you actually reading the posts?

NOBODY gives a hoot what people call it. The post was NEVER about what it was call.. You went down your own little path with your own interpretation. Nobody else has joined you.

The fact that you completely misread the post and fabricated some new meaning is what was funny as it was so obviously nothing to do with the post.

You may feel insulted but HOW DO I get through to you....

Not wasting anymore time on this insanity.

was you that started it very childish if you ask me but then this forum has never been known for its friendlyness

The majority of people on this board are very friendly and helpful to those who want to learn about responsible and ethical dog breeding, and are happy to share their experience with such others.
One of the reasons that there is so much knowledge on this board, more than any other that I have come across, is that the production of pet litters and cross breed pups is not encouraged, as many posters here help with both breed and general rescue and see that rescue kennels are already over populated with ill bred dogs.
Given that this appears to be the unwritten ethos of this board, then everyone is helped with sound advice, which sometimes is not what the poster wants to hear, and then the word "unfriendly" is unjustifyably used. :)

hi dog mad ive re read the post and im not taking sides,but your rearly have blew this right out of proportion! :( no were can i see blue taking the mick out of the poster for saying heat cycle. she was mearly suggesting that the dog was to young to be having puppys anyway as if it was her first she would only be between 6/9mths a mere puppy herself.
i think you should just re-read it again!

Well I leant Blue a video via a mutual friend and she certainly is in Scotland

Anne

Oh Anne.. there you are :-)       ( I hide in shame )

I promise I promise to send it back. Still haven't watched it yet ...  Name and shame me :-D :-D  In fact PM your address again and  I will call  my OH and tell him to remind me to stick it in the post box:-D :-D He has a good memory :-)

Mind you maybe I should get him to watch it and clicker train me ;-)

Don't be daft I wasn't meaning that :D

Anne

OH Ann you should. Nobody will lend me anything again :-D  I wouldn't !!!

never sayed she wasnt in scotland my point was she wasnt with me when people said it please dont turn it in to a joke

:rolleyes:

dog mad, go and put the kettle on and have a nice cuppa! :)  Where's Loki's Mum with her chill dust???????

chilled as ever here not worth getting aggitated about what someone who doesnt know me puts on a forum i just let it go over me

Interestingly enough I have most often heard Americans use the term 'Heat', and always in season in the UK.

Also when they said they bred a bitch, they don't mean they are it's breeder, but that they had her mated.

Hi pinkneonmartini.  Vets have many skills and uses.  Unfortunately few are experienced in breeding dogs! :(  The day that you found your dog and bitch together would have been around the 12th day of her season, about the day that many bitches are ready to me mated!  There is a good chance that she is pregnant if not, then early to be showing signs of a phantom pregnancy, which usually happens about the time that the bitch would be due to produce pups.

If you have her spayed now, then all your problems will be solved and your family will be able to live a normal doggy family life in harmony!! :)  Please don't be tempted to add to the rescue homes full of unwanted cross breed pups.