hi i took my bitch 2 b mated last nite 13 th day she was quite happy till the breeder told my hubby 2 hold her neck tight while he helped his dog do his stuff my bitch didnt like this and kept moving away i told the breeder to stop as ive never seen this type of breeding b4  ive always just let my other bitch get on with it them selfs,, is this a different way to breed  i dont know whether to take her back or find a different breeder  as i dont want my bitch to b forced to do anythink

Sounds normal to me - I always make sure the bitch's collar is firmly held to avoid injury to either her or the dog.

Yep always been the way I have done it, makes things easier, less stressful (less chasing and fiddling about) and avoids injury ;)

would this hert her

Do you mean, would being held hurt her? No - quite the opposite.

If you mean would it hurt her to be held then no, all you are doing is steadying her and the person helping the male (if need be) would just guide him because many dogs find that tricky :D

she was very happy to stand ther herself when we held her thats when she fliped she was more scared about bein nealy stranged

I've always done it this way too.  Keeps the bitch secure so that the male doesn't get hurt if she tries to pull away.  Never had any problems with any bitches, although I'll see with what happens to a mating tonight :d

she is very strong we couldent keep her still at all

A firm grip on either side of her collar is all it should take. You're not tightening the collar at all, just preventing her pulling away.
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How did your husband try to hold her? Usually the bitch owner will kneel in front of the bitch (or sit on a stool with bigger breeds), holding both sides of the collar while talking to her. Then the stud owner can help the dog find  the right place.

yes thats the way they did it my bitch kept pullin her backend away ( her neck was steady) she was jumpin away from her back legs

Is the bitch definitely ready for the dog? Was he being very rough with her?

she seems ready she was happy to stand there

I've often found they're happy to stand until the very last moment, when she can pull away, especially if she's a maiden. Once the tie and turn are achieved I've known the same bitch to doze off! I make sure the owner holds the bitch until the tie breaks.
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Ditto with JG. The stud owner needs to control the back end at the moment of penetration. A maiden will yelp for a second but once the dog has tied she will quieten and as JG says, may even doze off!

thanks every one 4 ur help now iam a little bit happier about her bein mated this way ..how long should i keep tryin 4 thow shes on her 14 th day already.. always thourht thay had to be mated on 13th 14th day can they be mated after this day if shes not ready 2nite

It entirely depends on the bitch. I've known one that was ready on her 9th day and another that wasn't ready until her 21st day. If the stud dog is experienced and is interested and the bitch is standing it is probably still OK.

My last litter was the result of matings on days 18 and 20.
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Bitch I had to visit recently was standing from day 12, but she was not ready for mating and even the vet could not gain entry further than one knuckle on day 15. 

The dog knew better an mated her day  16, 17, and 18, though she did need to be held firml;y in the tie which she found irksome, but was happy for him to mate her.

This is not how it is done in all breeds though.  For the first time I did have to hold one of my bitches rears, as she was trying to thrust ratehr than stand. 

At all other matings the bitch is introduced to the stud in an enclosed area and the stud owner and bitch owner watch discreetly.  Teh dog is allowed to test the water to see if the bitch is receptive and will have acouple oif tries. 

When it is obvious that he has hit the mark and is climbing the heavenly ladder then the respective owners will aproach and the bitch owner steady the bitch so that the dog can turn himslef or be helped to turn if needed.

My own bitches would not like this amount of interference, and the stud dog that I bred that has had his bitches here woudl not work if I was holding the bitches, though happy for them to be held in the tie.

If the bitch will not stand steady and does more than just sits down then it is assumed she is not quite ready.

I had one boy that wouldn't do the job if I was present but was quite happy to let hubbie assist. :)

my hubby has took her down now ive stayed at home this time  i will let u all know what happens tomorrow, thanks for everyone who gave me advice and put my mind at rest about this way off mating

Yep it all depends how the dog is taught or prefers to work.

I had one boy that wouldn't do the job if I was present but was quite happy to let hubbie assist. - jas

I'm not going to say what images THAT brings to mind :D :D :D

Margot

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Well my boy succeeded tonight with his new girlfriend!  She was a bit off at first but all went well in the end.

I have to say I got very worried reading that even the vet could not gain entry - till I read the bit after it :D

Yep, got a nice little letter for the owner saying in the vets opinion the bitch was unmateable at that point in time. 

This is why I really feel that a reliable stud who knows when to hold off and when to go for broke is a godsend, and therefore too much stage management at mating may result in a situation where the dog just mates any bitch presented, and of course we as humans cannot tell when they really are ready, as the response of some bitches is no real indication. 

Some bitches are tarts at the wrong time, and others even though ready need a bit of persuasion, so some sort of flirtation and allowing the pair to work things out for themselves should be allowed, and the people be there to ensure that no harm comes to either party.

I do think that sometimes people are too impatient and resort to forcing the issue wheras leaving the dog to try a couple of times a day will result in the bitch co-operating when she feels relaxed and ready enough, and the dog should be able to learn how to get the bitch to accept him. 

Surely no stud is in such demand that he must mate a bitch at a given day or hour, or maybe because males in our breed often get a bitch so rarely that we prefer that they can savour the experience, lol :D

my bitch went to a good stud, as in the dog know when she was ready and the owner know what they where doing.  my bitch was ready and a right tart at home with my dog, i know she was ready as my stud dog only gets interested when the time it right,  we went on day 12 to the stud and she was great (although still bleeding) until she sore him and then she was having non of it,  the stud was very interested in her but his owner thought she was not ready as she was still bleeding,  we held her still and as soon as they where in the tie she was fine, we repeted the mating 24 hours later and she was like it again all go for my dog and but not the stud (she was fine as long as she did not see him LOL)
i am 100% sure that there would of been no mating if we had left them to get on with it them self,  some times the bitch just needs to be held in place

She obviously had a prefernce for her own choice of mate, but if she had been allowed some tiem to get to know the male then things would have been better?

only me again  my bitch was taken 2 her stud last night 15th day  and she still didnt let him do anythink  do u think i should just keep tryin or call it a day  the stud owner said ((well it went in and slipped out so she could still b pregnant ))  i think he wants paying 4 somthink his dog hasnt done !  in my eyes the jobs not done till the dogs have tied.. is it to late to change her stud

Yes, it is too late. Slip matings often result in puppies, so unless you want to keep trying you can only wait and see.

((i dont think he cought her)) it was in and out 2 seconds and then sprayed us lot not my dog

I've known many dogs take with such quick slip matings !  If they are not far away and the dog is worthy of using keep trying.

Many bitches in my breed are only just ready at day 15, I have had at least 3 litters from bitches that were mated on the 16th to 18th days.  the most recent mating for my freinds stud dog was days 16 to 18, I would keep trying. 

Many breeders are of the opinion that if the bitch won't hold the dog (tie) that she is not quite ready and you are likely to get a good mating the next day or two.

Generally speaking a slip mating would ahve to last about a minute for there to have been enough semen deposited within the bitches tract, but any intimate contact would preclude using another stud, unless you plan to DNA test all the resulting puppies and both sires and dam to be sure of parentage.

i think we will forget mating her she was still the same last night not intrested,, the stud was abselutly nackerd  the stud owner after last nights try decided to tell me  that his dog always gets very tierd even after a 10 min walk hes been rushed to the vets a few times over his breathing  i will not be using this dog again

er - I would have thought that was something that should have been discussed before the mating, not after ;)  perhaps your bitch wouldn't accept him because there's something not right with him ;)   I know of a breeder who had a bitch in for mating (very ready) and the stud dog (experienced) did the usual 'getting to know routine' but then instead of mating her he cocked his leg and peed on her the mating was cancelled and the owner was advised to get her checked, instead of which he went and used his own stud :rolleyes: - the bitch got pregnant, but couldn't deliver the pups - vet saved the bitch and spayed her as her womb was 'all wrong', they lost all the pups tho :(

i know he should of told us b4 , we did ask him b4 the matin about if his dog had any health problems he said no, thats why now iam not going back obversly not a very good breeder i will not be recamending him to any one else  do u think my bitch refused the mating because she could sence there was somthink not right about the stud  we had tryed her from day 9 up to day15 this has been my first bitch to refuse a mating my  in the past my other bitchs have always been mated on 13th 14th day

I've recently mated my Boxer and she was ready from day 10 (I wasn't expecting her to be ready till around the 13th day)  she was still bleeding and carried on bleeding till day 15, she mated on day's 10 11 and 12 which she tied on all occassions!  I've only mated her once before (3 years ago)... is it not normal for them the bleed when ready?  Oh and one other point no-one held her head she was more than happy to just stand there and not struggle - she was embarrassingly accommodating