There was a match night tonight and as beagie had been sooo good now we decided to take her.  First we got someone to feel her over no problems, then the judge did it both times with hubby holding her.  Charlotte got more confident took over still no problems until she picked her up.  Someone came over and she started barking.  Sat on the chair still no problems everyone cuddling her etc.  Then at the end someone said did we want one more try with Charlotte handling her on the table.  Well she did it again having a barking fit at the judge.  The same one who had held her earlier.  It seems like she is guarding Charlotte. 

She is still brilliant with other dogs and still lovely with people until Charlotte holds her on the table.

I suppose now we will have to try and break the bond but any suggestions how?  I definately think she is still in hormone mode as she still has milk but has had 6 days of galasop which the bottle says is the maximum.  There is definately a vast improvement but certainly not enough for me to trust her on Saturday with Charlotte.

In all my years of having dogs I have never known a phantom to make a dog so out of sorts as she is.   

Phantoms are the worst thing when i took my mums rotty the vets the vet said to me is she guarding anything like it's her pups and i couldn't think, the funny thing was she thought her quilt was her pups, i found this really strange until i picked the quilt up she'd follow me around everywhere watching this quilt like her life depended on it.  So phantoms does have a big impact on them even on human woman.  It's a funny thing pregnancie even if your not pregnant you just think you are.

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I have never owned a Bitch so I don't really know anything about a phantom's. But I do have a friend with a Beagle bitch who had a phantom when she was about a year old and she got very protective of her owner ( mum ) who was going through a divorce at the time which didn't help as she spoilt her so much the dog became naughtly little brat!

She was very snappy and aggressive of any man or women that came near her but she was fine when I handled her or her dog walker handled her. So it was defiantley about her protecting her Mum who let her do what ever she wanted ( such a naughtly Beagle ).

I have a couple of really good Beagle books at home, tonight I will have a read and see if there is anything regarding this kind of behaviour. I'm sure it is just a stage she is going through and the phantom is not helping her emotionally. I'll post tommorow to let you know if I find any info!

We all know that Beagles are of very good nature and I doubt this will become a problem. As you know my boy growled at a young guy yesturday morning which really shocked me but I know he did it out of fear simply trying to protect himself because of the stupid kid that chased him on Sunday night. This morning he was great on his walk and didn't seemed bothered by anybody and had a lovely play with a Border Terrier.

thomas-the-spot,

To dry up that milk have you tried SAGE??  it can really help, I mix a tablespoon of dried sage with a pound of raw minced lamb, add a quarter teasp of garlic powder and mix thoroughly, a tablespoon of this is added to the kibble ration (reduced by same amount) and really helps to dry up the milk ;)

Hope this helps
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Dill

Did she snap out of it in the end BB?  You have described exactly what is happening.  99% of the time she is the perfect beagle but the main problem is the table .  She does sleep with Charlotte as well which probably doesnt help and I am very convinced that it is due to the phantom. She still loves all other dogs apart from Thomas but then none of the girls like him so he is used to it :)

She is currently on vitamin B complex, oil of primrose and am now off to get some sage.  I am also ringing the vet to see if I can carry on with the galasop for a while longer or if not if they can prescribe anything else to dry up the rest of the milk.  I think she will be being bred from for one litter next year then neutered as soon as possible afterwards.  And people tell me dalmatians are hard work ;)

She did get alot better as myself and her dog walker worked with them for quite a while and she improve, not 100% but much better.

Unfortuantley over time she stopped coming to training classes and going to any shows or doing agility with her. Then she decided to take a few months off work when it all went down hill as she was spending 24/7 with her. She recently returned to my Dog Training Club with an awlful story off how she recently bit a man on the face very badly. To be fair to the dog she was curled up asleep and a friend of friend came along and thought what a cute doggie and he bent down to pat her which woke her up and she snapped straight at his face. The owner is very upset about the whole thing  returned to training classes and her dog walker is again helping her with the training.

It really anoyed me as I don't think it's the dogs fault she is just been way too spoilt and has turned into a little madam. She's much worse that a couple of years ago. It's so dissappointing as you give help and advice to people and you don't see them for ages and assume all is well and they only turn up again as the dog is out of control. She has many other problems like weeing in the house ( she's house trained )! She can't left her at all without her going mental and destorying the house ( she never had a problem with been left before ).

She did the right thing by coming back to training but she has let the poor little dog down again, she such sweet little girl it breaks my heart it has got to this stage. I decided to keep out of the training as I was getting too emotionally involved and very nearly fell out with the owner.

Please don't be put off about my friends Beagle as this is an extreme case.

To me it sounds like you are in full control of the situation, the one thing I would do is not allow her to sleep with Charlotte at night as it just makes there bond stronger. Just until you know she's back normal, alot of people won't allow there dogs on the bed but I have to confess if my other half is away overnight I let Bert sleep on the bed with me ( naughtly I know ) but I can't resist his big brown eyes.

Oh god I wont let Charlotte read this.  :(

The vet has said to extend giving her the galasop.  I cant even ring the breeder as she kennels hers and doesnt really show them so the chances are she probably wont have the same problem. 

I know we have got to stop her sleeping with Charlotte but as you say she puts on her best beagle face.  She certainly isnt out of control in most respect just this one area.  She has still got milk so once the milk dries up I am praying it will mean return to normal.

Just a added thought but do you think it might help if we put her into kennels for a short while to totally break the bond?

You Won't break a bond easily as that TTS, I show a bitch for a friend who I have trained from a puppy.  She can not see me for months and then I meet her at a show, take her in the ring and the bonds still there.  It's something that doesn't go away easily.

Same with the aussies, they are kenneld with my grandparents yet I have a bond with them that's impossible to break!

I think more what's got to happen is she must come part of the dog pack and not charlotte's baby.  Treat her the same as the dallies in way of feeding, walking sleeping etc.  Also what I have mentioned in my PM.

Hopefully Charlotte will get confidence to take beagie back aswell! :)

Also at training take it in turns for charlotte, your hubby and you to take her and work with her.

Also if you can find any companion shows get her to them and warn the judge before hand your having some problems!

I am a big softy, so I wouldn't put her in the Kennels as it will be quite a shock for her to not have any contact with Charlotte. But I would put her in her own crate overnight in the Laundry room or Kitchen next to your other dogs maybe? Where do your dallies sleep?

You are definately not going to like this BB one sleeps in the bed and the others on the sofas in the living room although Molly does sleep in the kitchen occassionally!!  We have never crated her even at shows as she is so well behaved she just sits there watching the world go by.  She is amazingly good with other dogs even now.  When we seperated her from Charlotte last week she slept with Molly in the kitchen but she was actually ill with the phantom.  She was being sick and very depressed.  We only allowed her back when we thought she was over the worst.  She was quite adaptable and didnt create a fuss about being put down there. 

Would do the kitchin idea and STICK TO IT ;)  Or even on the Sofa's is fine!  Just not in charlotte's room! :) (Sorry Charlotte!)

Oh that's ok, I wouldn't mind my dog on the sofa but my OH wouldn't be that keen! :) It's great she is so well behaved, she a very good little Beagle!

She'll be fine in the Kitchen or lounge with your other dogs and I think that will help.

Keep us updated, I really hope Charlotte can handle her on Saturday as she has worked so hard to get there, I will look out for you!

Pass on GOODLUCK to Charlotte! :)

I am afraid in our house the kids sit on the floor and the spotties and beagie on the sofa.  Trust me it is not he best idea as your clothes are constantly full of hairs. 

I have told Lucky bug she is sleeping downstairs tonight and you lot are to blame and she gave me her best sad look.  Now I have got to break it to Charlotte. :(

Make sure charlotte realaises it is for the best.  And ignor the big brown sad eyes, behind your back she's puling faces waiting for you to give in! :P

She has taken it well.  She wants beagie bubba back and not beagie fiend so has agreed to it.  She is still saying she wont show her again but I have now spoken to somebody else with a beagle who has said hers was evil as well and went back to normal.  I do think long term though this will be a spayed beagle!!!