I awake this morning to find a topic wiped off the board.  What is going on?
Some messages did make it to my inbox because I subscribe to topics of interest so I can only surmise what had occurred.  Teri, I assure you and to anyone else I am whom I say I am, not somebody "slinking in through the back door".  I reside in Connecticut, Southern New England area in USA.

I did not realize the topic in question is such a "hot potato" and considered taboo.
I see an injustice here in one sense.  These "items" are indeed legal and therefore confused as to why the speech their of said use is taboo?  By not freely willing to discuss issues pertaining to them, I see more harm being done than good.  What I see happening is people who do decide to go in that direction with there use will have less of an understanding of their "proper" use, an in essence a gross injustice to the dog.  No wonder they end up being misused and abused.  Dogs may suffer needlessly which may be attributed to a lack of understanding.  Those users of this board in opposition must realize, by allying together to limit free speech of said topic, you are a now a contributor to their misuse, thus you help create to a certain degree a level of ignorance aiding and abetting their misuse.

If I had broken an unwritten law here with the group, I apologize.  I did not notice anything in the TOS pertaining to this issue, and indicating said issue not allowed to be freely discussed.  If it is in the TOS and I missed that, an honest mistake on my part.  However, I assure I AM NOT AN IMPOSTER.  Admin most surely track an
IP address and note it comes from across the Atlantic.  I am by no means a salesman of these units, nor have any outside interest in these companies.

We have free speech in the USA, but you can't shout FIRE in a movie theater.
I was under the impression in the UK; things that are legal can freely be discussed.  Therefore confused as to why this topic of the said units leads to such controversy and the speech of said units be possibly forbidden? I don't blame ADMIN.  It surely must stem from political activism and political activist groups.  Not that there is anything wrong with political activism, just confused how they can have so much power to limit free speech?  Maybe the lack of understanding of the power of activist groups in the UK is one of the "cultural differences"?  This would not happen here in the US.  Yes, they have power, and yes their power can effectively have laws changed...but to have an impact on free speech...intolerable and would never happen.

JG *bobs a grateful curtsey* :rolleyes:*  ...Yes, your highness, much merit in your words ;-) but maybe not your thoughts on those nasty collars.

C'mon Claybuster its the internet , noone is going to sue you and the only thing you could have done wrong was not abide to the board rules. Noones going to track your IP adress and kick your door now , get with the program! :D

Anything can be freely discussed on the INTERNET. I've had many topics shut down and even my own closed , its nothing to make a big deal out of..

Not quite true, Manny! ;) The laws of libel apply to the internet just as they do in any other medium, and yes, IP addresses can be traced and people who regularly abuse the ToS (making inflammatory posts, multiple usernames, etc) will be barred.
:)

Hi Charlie,

The thread was taken over by a "usual suspect" - a sad and rather pathetic creature suffering from a multiple personality disorder which, coupled with dillusions of adequacy, regularly provokes a simplistic and limited response, admittedly in keeping with his abilities :rolleyes:

>It surely must stem from political activism and political activist groups.

No - nothing like that at all.

I'm sure you have other experiences in matters canine that don't require the recommendation of a device which causes dismay to regular contributors and wont therefore attract an undesirable element to a forum which is run by dog lovers for dog lovers.

Regards, Teri :)

>much merit in your words  but maybe not your thoughts on those nasty collars.

My words and my thoughts are the same, Charlie. ;)

Claybuster, I feel you may be misconstruing what happened - I suspect the comments you took as personal were not directed at you at all :)
I think Teri has probably explained it :P

Lindsay
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I can get arrested for making multiple accounts on an internet forum? What has this world come to!

Don't be silly Manny :P :P :P - anyway, we've kinda got you slightly moulded into nearly deserving of CD citizenship ;)  You're progressing nicely but don't get carried away now, still under close supervision during training

Teri :D

The truth is out there ... trust no-one.

Sorry, mad moment :-D

Mad helps sometimes!

in fact there are some who would describe it as an advantage ;) :P

Much of the time :D ;)

Lindsay
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LOL! Silly Manny! :D :D No, but you could be banned - and that would be a shame!

well dont be confused, I put the facts and figueres about e-collars plus an example of someone useing positive trainers. No one on this board has te right to speak on behavlf of those present and I have no problems with e-collars.
The fact is only a minority on here of the 4000 + users has anything to say agains the minimum of 750,000 users who have bought them here in UK not to speak of the unknown number imported cheaper from USA. So, Charle e-collar use is increasing each week this board is just a minority of voices facts below, I dont use them but I know one person quite well who did and another I see in the park quite often very few people are against them here, those are the facts.

One more fact on figueres, in the year 2002 there were 5 medium but significant retalers here in UK, in April 2005 there were 50 and dozens of small one man band types, most people know what these collars are now even if they don't use them, I don't but would if I needed one, quiet, older dogs like mine certainly don't but if or when the day comes I get young one I will get one, I have seen the benefits to two dogs and the sales figueres here tell me the rest.

As a footnote it is inetresting to see that one opinion is that those who cannot acheive results use them and they are cowboys, the same person made no comment on pet owners paying £700 for a recall and no results, £20 with an electic collar and a reliable recall thereafter.
The logic seems to be that the guy taking £700 and no results is the good guy and the one charging £20 and giveing the dog its freedom is the bad guy, are you in the buisness of these neverending lessons sir? I ask because they would say something like that, wouldn't they? (well they have to really).
No 750,000 is no minority and no one here speaks for them, and lets face facts those imported will be almost equal to those baught from here, some people are just out of touch with progress of modern methods, thats quite normal in every walk of life, it just takes some people longer to modernise, no mater what the subject.

Info request - No one has requested your info. 

Thanks.

ps If you're going to re-post a post which has previously meant an entire thread has been deleted, at least correct the spelling mistakes.

As you say Denis, some are very out of touch with modern methods!

One electric collar advert was withdrawn a while ago, presumably because it wasn't making it's owner any money. Hurrah! :D
So we have only your word as to how sales are increasing etc, and as we all know... do i really need to finish?

Electric collars didn't seem to help one GSD much did they as i recall? I'd call that a no result, wouldn't you?

As for neverending lessons, most people love going to dog club. I know i do.

Lindsay

... ClayBuster said his E-Collar cost him 400+ , something around there.

Oooh - what HAVE I missed with my broadband going down???   Sounds like good "sharp" exchange of views :D :D :D

Do we need any chill-out dust - sounds as if you managed with out it!!

Margot

Things are fine Margot - Gday.

Hallo Margot :P

Lindsay
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hi claybuster
there are certain topics on here that it is just best to steer  clear of
ecollars
hunting
xbreeds (especially ones involving poodles)
to name a few.
weve all had our run ins with people,
although you may not think ecollars are harmful, (you are intitled to your own opinion based on your own experinces ;) )alot of people on here find them disgusting. therefore the two sides can never meet or find common ground.
in the uk we do not use prong collars either & now the check/slip/choke chain is also fast fallling out of fashion-thank god!

you seem like a resonable person,this board is great but i dont think its the place to discuss ecollars as the amount of trouble it causes is BOUND to raise feelings & therefore violate the TOS of the board.
michelle

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