Hi,
I've posted on here before about my B.C. puppy with problems.(milk coming out nose as baby, aspiration phenomnia, etc) He is now 10 weeks old and has been doing awesome for the past 2 weeks. Growing like a weed, his lungs have cleared up and a has become a huge piece of my heart. Today he recieved his first shots and within a couple of hours was acting very,very lethargic, acted painful and before long was gasping for air. I  have rushed him to an emergancy vet clinic where he will be all night. They pretty much told me he could go either way 50/50. His lungs which were clear are now 50 percent filled with fluid from his bodies reaction to the shot. He was offically in shock when we arrived at the clinic. They have him on IV fluids, steroids, benedryl, and lasix to help his lungs and body recover. Also he is in a oxygen tent. I'm beside myself tonight!! I can't fathome something happening to this pup. He has fought so hard and was looking to be in the clear, now this!! I know you guys can't really help me but it helps just to talk I think. I've been praying, praying, praying. I will be calling the clinic every hour for updates as they told me to call as much as I wanted. I just can't forget the pained and strained look on his face as he was gasping to breath. Please, Please Lord let him live!!! Sorry to rant. I will inform everyone how he is doing from time to time. Has anyone had this kind of horrible reactions happen to their dog? I'm assuming he should never be vaccinated again if he makes it, cause the second time would surely kill him.

Poor you, I will be thinking about you, hope he makes it. :-(

So sorry to hear about your pup, I hope he recovers very quickly.  Have you had any more news?

If he were mine I'd certainly never vaccinate him again. Hopefully Christine (in Spain) will see your message, she is very knowledgable about vaccination. :-)

Thinking of you.

Kath. x

How absolutely awful for you.  Thinking of you - keep us posted.  Any news yet?

Thanks everyone for your replies. They say he is breathing just a little better now. Still not good, but as long as it's not worse I can cope. They said he is actually comfortable enough now that he is sleeping. But they remain semi negitive. Of course their going to stay on the reserved side I'm sure. I do wish someone out there that has had this happen could give me some info. The other weird thing I thought was that his joints seemed sore. The vet again says this is his body reacting to the shot. Don't know what to do except drive my self nuts with worry. I feel responsible, I was the one after all who subjected him to this horror.

...but your actions were with the absolute best intentions.  Please do not beat yourself up about this.  There but for the grace of God go the rest of us who vaccinate.....

Keep your chin up - hopefully, he's now on the mend...

{{{hugs}}} for both you and pup :)

Echinacea angustifolio tincture can be used to boost his immune system, to the doubters of homoeopathy this has just been used to save a puppies life when the rest of the BC puppies left with the breeder died after all conventional treatment failed

Dosage is several drops every 15 minutes in acute cases

My thoughts & prayers are with your boy {{{{hugs}}}}

Thanks Vicki,
  For your support. I think I'm just confused on how this happened and can't help but feel resposible. They rely on us for everything and I've struggled so hard to keep him alive and happy.(He had to be tube feed every 2 hours night and day for so long it seemed) He has been by my side night and day since birth. This is the first night we have been apart. I just got back from vacation a week ago and he flew with me as carry on under my seat. I never thought I could become so attached in such a short time. He woke me the other night for the first time just wanting to sleep curled up between my arms. He's such an amazing pup!!  I understand what your saying about doing what I thought was best, just very,very hard knowing that decision was the cause of this.

I know you must feel dreadful, I know all of us would feel responsible, and there's nothing I can do or say to take that away.  I wish there was, but it's a fact and can't be changed.  All you can do now is just wait, which must be so hard I can't imagine :( but it's all that's left to do.  Praying that your boy will be fine, and home with you before you know it. :)

>I think I'm just confused on how this happened

It could be that because he's been battling for his life his immune system was too weak to cope with the vaccine.

He sounds like real little fighter though, hopefully he'll be home soon and ready for some cuddles.  :-)

Just talked to the vet. He say's overall he is better, more comfortable, but wishes his breathing was back to normal as they have treated him with multiple doses of lasix trying to clear his lungs. His breathing is still a little labored and that's with him being in the oxygen tent. Still again, I'll take any little steps forward!!

Absolutely!  A step in the right direction.  TIme for a smiley or two methinks! :) :) :)

I'm glad to hear your pup is a little better.
Will be thinking of you and sending Get Well Soon vibes your way.

Hope he improves soon.  Thinking of you. 

They rely on us for everything
Of course they do bordercollie3,
The vet again says this is his body reacting to the shot.
but you in turn rely on your Vet to give you good advice! :(  His immune system wasn't good enough to cope with the invasion of the vaccination.
I've been given bad advice myself in the past so I do know how you feel.  Fingers crossed here for your boy.

Please read Moonmaiden's post. ;)

good luck keep us informed

Hi sorry to hear about your pup :(
The best advice I can give for now is get your vet to refer you to a homeopathic vet asap as an emergency. I`ve given a link for one below or you another is Chris Day
James L. Newns
D6 Tamar Park
Coxpark
Gunnislake
Cornwall  PL18 9BD
Tel: 01822 833402  Mobile  07769588886

Link for Chris Day
http://www.any-uk-vet.co.uk/day/

Try & concentrate on getting him well & definately no more vaxs, good luck & his improvement continues :)
Christine, Spain.

The vet again says this is his body reacting to the shot.
I know that it isn't your priority at the moment, but PLEASE, later on, insist that your Vet completes the yellow form to advise of possible adverse reaction.

My thoughts are with you and your little one right now :-)

My boxer pup had a bad reaction to his fist lot of shots. He got very lethargic, wouldn't open his eyes or move at all, his skin went very very pink, he didn't want to be touched and he became very hot. He was nowhere near as sick as your pup but was healthy when given his jabs. He was better the next day, a bit quiet but better nonetheless.
He is now 3, has been perfectly fine with every lot of boosters he's had and was also fine with the second course of jabs (which I decided to do on the vet's advice and with a lot of soul searching). Take heart. I hope you'rs is ok.
Maggs

Any news?  Hope he's still improving :)

Ditto Vicki. Poor little lamb. Hope he's continuing to improve. Thinking of you :)
Anne

My prayers go out to you and your pup
I hope no news is GOOD NEWS

Fingers and paws crossed here.

I have never experienced what you are going through, but my dog had gastro enteritis when she was less than a year old and had to spend three nights at the vet on a drip as she was so dehydrated. It was a very worrying time. I hope everything turns out well with your pup. He sounds like a fighter and I hope he pulls through.

Hi guys update my pup. He is still not out of the woods. The emergancy vet pretty much has wrote him off and I took him to my normal vet who is quite baffeled. He says it is an reaction but he has never seen one so bad. Says it must be an auto-immune problem. I was told supportive care is all I can do. He is at home now in an oxygen tent I made for him, on antibiotics cause he has spiked a fever(which landed me back at emergancy clinic). Possible pnemonia kicking in they say. He has had more fluids at the vet also. His fever at last check has gone down a good bit. Low grade now. His breathing is still labored but not so bad in his tent. At least in there he has been able to rest a good amount. He is more alert than yesterday. He now listens and watches you when  you talk to him. He also wakes up wanting out of his tent to go potty. So cute, he wine's, you let him out he walks a couple steps away on to his pee pad, pee's than marches back to his tent. I'm just so worried cause they say his immune sytem is not right. Moonmaiden I saw you remark and was wondering do you think this could really help this pup?
If so where would I get some? I am in the U.S. Any suggestions from anyone would be greatly appreciated. Seems as I'm on my own now. My normal vet says he still would not give up though. Just seems he has no real plan other than wait and see.

Was your vet aware of your pups previous problems???

One thing you should be giving him asap is homeopathic thuja.One of it's main uses is for vaccine reactions,hopefully it will help speed up your pups recovery. Usually you give this a day before vaccination,then the  night of the vacc and everyday for 3-4 days afterward.

A friend of mines dog had a terrible reaction to his vaccination and the thuja helped him within a day.Against ALL advice she boostered him a year later,but this time she used the above protocol with the thuja and her dog was fine :)

I am really surprised if your vet knew about your dogs past history and still vaccinated him

Please keep us updated on his progress and get that thuja into him,it cant hurt.

It will not do any harm & is a traditional native american herbal remedy especially for immune systems & upper body problem must be the tinture & given in the chronic dosage. I've posted a link the thread re immune system re dosage

You shuld be able to get the tinture worldwide & if you contact any supplier & explain the situation I think they would ship it asap overnight

I am glad at least he is at home. That in itself must make him feel more safe and secure. I really do hope he gets better soon. He is lucky to have someone who cares about him so don't beat yourself up about the jabs. If he did'nt have them and something happened to him you would be blaming yourself for not having them done.  Hope as the days go on you see some improvement. Its heartbreaking when you don't know what to do for them. Best wishes.

Did the vets ever find out what exactly caused all his earlier problems?  I am sure I have read somewhere there is some conection between vaccinations and megaoesophagus but cant remember where.

Hope he pulls through.

Karen

This is so terrible! When my pup had his first jab he reacted badly , very sleepy and painful and I was very worried  (but he's fine). I can't picture how bad it must be for you. My warmest wishes are with you.

Up date and some background info so maybe everyone can get an idea what's going on with this pup. Ok I'll try to summarize past issues. From birth milk came straight out nose. Took to vet, scoped him no cleft pallete found, told he was over ancious feeder. Later same day, Raspy sounding, breathing hard, took back to vet, told to take him to emergany clinic to have stomach tube surgically implanted, given antibiotics for asperation. Emergancy clinic refused surgically implated tube , told me to do normal tube feeding at home, keep on antibiotics. Week 4 still tube feeding and antibiotics, still a little raspy. By this time I had been to 4 different vets trying to figure problem out. Week 5 start him straight onto solid foods as liquids are an issue, eats solids fine, still tubing 2x's day for water. Week 6 vet says try him on water, he must drink on own to live, I get him a rabbit water bottle elevated which he seems to be able to drink from with some swallowing difficulty, but none out nose. Vet rules out megaoesophogus cause all food stays down, can't find hole in pallete, says wait till 4 months then he will put him under and look further for problems in throut. Still on antibiotics and sounding raspy. Week 6 also gets swollen joints and alternating lameness, vet suspects immune issue such as childrens arthritis. Week 7 absolutely normal puppy except for lingering slight raspy sound, fiesty, playful, eating like a pig, no more lameness, beating up and dominating bigger brother. Since week 6 also started on multi-vitamin, joint suppliment and calcium. Week 8 vet says he looks awesome can't find any problems warenting not to start vaccination, first vaccinations, no problems at all, happy fiesty puppy still, can't tell he has had problems except for slight raspy sound still, still on antibiotics. Week 9 awesome heathy puppy. Week 10 second shots, just 1 day before vet had me take him off antibiotics saying he sounded good, 1 hour after shot pup is breathing very,very hard, pale gums, shocky, sore joints,wimpering non stop, to emergancy clinic, on IV fluids, prednisone, lasix, and antibiotics 1 night.Clinic sends him home next day saying it had nothing to do with the vaccine but was flare up from previous problems, prognosis poor, took to regular vet he says do'nt give up, and this must be an autoimmune response to the vaccine, givin differnt antibiotic, told to do supportive care. Later same day back to emergancy clinic get fluids injected sub-cue, can't get him to drink. Back home put in oxygen tank, very uncomfortable, sleeping 15 min/intervals then restless, breathing very labored, no raspy sound for once in his life? myself this must be bad even though it sounds better cause he is misserable. Next day if in oxygen sleeps semi-sound, outside very uncomfortable, tube him for fluids as he still does not want to drink, moderate fever, work all night to keep fever down, glassy eyes, growning when picked up, not resposive. Today, he greeted me from inside his tent this mornin g, walking slowly and unsteady he greeted wagging his tail. Fever is only slight, has eaten some food throughout the day, but seems to be too much for him to drink, don't know if his still labored, but better breathing is making hard. Tubed him again for water, and all day he has been off O2 and resting pretty comfortably. Still labored breathing but nothing compared to before, he now sounds raspy again, like normal for him. Friend who is a nurse told me the reason I heard nothing before was because he was so full of fluid it could not move around. She says that him sounding rasping and sleeping off O2 shows that his lungs have cleared enough the fluid at least is moving which is a good thing. I left the room a little while ago to go to the bathroom and found him following in my footsteps, still weak and unsteady but wagging his little tail to no end. My delima now, do I take him to work with me as always, or leave him to hopefully rest. Rest I believe is what he needs most. Only he is now aware enough he gets upset, even cries if I leave him, after all we have been together from day one all day. So which is better, more stress moving him back and forth to work, or leaving him home and alone possibly crying. Home is better as far as I have great airconditioning there which helps his breathing. Sorry so long. Any suggestions on tomorrow or ideas on his possible problems and futhure, were to go from here would be greatly appreciated, Thanks

Just wanted to say I hope this little fella gets better soon :) he sounds like a real little fighter :D bless him

Oh bless him. Can you not take time off work? I did with Maddie, they were very understanding. I doubt if you will be able to concentrate anyway, so you will both be fretting :(

I would risk his discomfort and take him to work with me.  I'd be too afraid to let the little mite out of my sight for a single moment.  Good luck :)

If ever a pup deserved to pull through, this little one does. Your care and love for him is truly heartwarming.
If only the vet had held off with the vaccination for a while.....it's pretty obvious that his fragile immune system was never going to cope with the injection of a disease.
I do hope he makes it.
xx

Any more news on your pup?

Just read all about your pup, poor little mite, he has had such a fight to live, and such hard work for you, hope he is getting better.

Hope all goes OK but it could still be mega oesophagus or cricopharyngeal achalasia, unfortunately the only way that they can tell is having an x-ray and having a look down, but of course that's way too much to put your pup through at the moment.  I do hope he gets better, keep us up-to-date.

I hope the little puppy is on the road to recovery, you and he have been through so much.

How is your puppy, hope he is getting better.

Update and questions still on puppy. I am on a different computer and could not get hold of my other log in info but I am also bordercollie3. Sorry if this causes confusion,and for my delay in updates. Well Wicket slowly got better only to take a turn again for the worst last friday. He had spiked a bad fever and was very lethargic. With the help of a generous good sameritain(? spelling) I was able to get him to an internal medicine specialist. (My funds are quickly being drained) Also ended up back at emergancy vet once more. The new vet drew complete blood panels, took many x-rays with barium, and gave him shots of genomiacin(strong antibiotic) Conclusion, his blood work is perfect except for his white blood count which is very high(Vet said he had extreme case of broncial pnemonia) X-rays were sent to specialist to read them, which in turn concluded, horrible broncial pnemonia, a pulmunary abcess in one lung(which vet says is extremely rare), and no real physical abnormalities except for a slightly narrowed esophogus.
Vet put him on a new strong human antibiotic which over the weekend changed this dog dramatically!!!
Eating good, very, very playful and bright eyed(the puppy I've grown to love so much) Vet says only thing left to try would be scoping him to really get a good look at what's going on inside. He refered me to a veterinary university saying they love odd cases like his and they stand the best chance of getting to the bottom of his issues. Of course now it is a race with time as to if his body can undergo being put under for procedure or waiting and possibly him succuming to the pnemonia before we have time. Not sure what to do. Vet saw him again on Monday, 2 days after, and was amazed at his recovery on this new antibiotic. Bright eyed ,fiesty and had gained a whole pound in 2 days!! For a 9 pound puppy that's pretty impresive. Vet still remians very unoptomistic though saying if his problem is not found and fixed soon(if possible at all)he will succum to the pnemonia because of continued asperation when  he drinks. Says it's a matter of time and antibiotics can't hold it back forever. Perrodeagua if you read this do you think cricopharyngeal achalasia is still a possibility, even though they did x-rays with the barium finding nothing? What I've read says they have to scope and watch with barium to get confirmation, x-rays alone won't cut it, is this correct? All the symptoms I've read about sound exactely like what he does. He can swallow solid foods but with somewhat difficulty(hard to explain, like he has to swallow a couple of time to get each piece down, stretches neck out while swallowing sometimes,same with water) Also has anyone heard of dogs with pulmunary abcesses? Can they go away with antibiotics? So delima, putting him under could kill him but so could waiting too long. Sorry so long, any thoughts would be appreciated.

Forgot one more thing, vet is leaning towards an nerological problem, which he says would be a very poor prognosis. Vet hospital would have specialist for nerology also. He shows absolutely no other nerological signs though.

Sorry, no advice but just wanted to wish you good luck. So pleased to hear the antibiotics have improved his condition. The little guy is so lucky to have you looking after him. :-)

would this human antibiotic be erythromycin by any chance?