can any one tell me if u can mate a red staff with a blue staff both kc and eye tested clear  also ive just been informed that my other bitches parents r dead now so my dog is not werth a penny and she carnt have any puppys cos her blood line is dead .the way i c it is that the blood line would only be dead if the bitch had NOT had puppys 2 carry the line on can someone help me find the truth

colour breeding guide lines
red to red produce only reds
red to dark brindle,produce reds,traditional brindles of various shades,dark brindles
dark brindle to dark brindle(if one or more of the parents of the pair is red)produce,reds and dark brindles and possibly red or fawn brindles
black brindle to black brindle produce only black brindles
traditional brindle(any brindle carrying red) to any kind of brindle,produce reds, various shades of brindle
white to white,produce all whites with various markings
white to any solid colour often produces solid colours and/or pieds.
it is important to note that the colour of the parents play an important part in the colour of the puppies.
continual breeding of red to red,dark or black brindle to dark or black brindle will result in deterioration of good pigmentation.
a blue colour in the stafford is a result of breeding black to black through many generations.
i don't know of anyone who's bred a blue to a red so therefore unsure of the colour of pups which will be produced but hope the above helps.

thanks but i knew all that about the other colours its just the red and blue iam unsure about do u know any think about my other question i asked thanks

Red x blue can produce any of the Staffy colours.  Blue is a dilution of black which is the most dominant colour so can carry any of the others.  They will only produce blue if the red parent carries it.  If the blue carries brindle, this (also blue brindle) will be possible, also red but probably not both (dominant black, brindle and wild type are all thought to be on the same locus). The most likely colour is black.

Julie

thanks

I know nothing about staffy colour inheritance so I'll leave that to others, but I don't understand your meaning about the bloodline being dead. That only happens when there are no more animals of a line capable of being bred from. Just because a bitch's sire and dam have died doesn't make any offspring valueless ...

thats what i said but this person who said my dog was werth nothing insists hes right he also gave his dog away cos it was from the same litter and said that was werth nothin aswell 

That person is a fool, I'm afraid! A dog is worth just the same after its sire and dam have died as it was before.

Mind you, that person's dog is probably better off away from such an uncaring twit!

the reason  i asked  was becouse he is a staffy breeder and he also shows his staffs i thorght hed have a bit of brains iam glad someone agrees with me now i can honestly say that breeders r not the best source of correct infomation thanks jeangenie

I don't understand what he's on about - after all, Queen Victoria's bloodline isn't dead just because she (or her parents!) are. As long as there are descendents, the bloodline continues ...

What does he mean by valueless????

he said shes not werth the money i paid 4 her and she carnt be mated cos her pups would not be werth a penny aswell  cos the line is dead !! cos her parents r now dead

? I still dont understand what her line and parents being dead has got to do with her not being worth anything???

Sounds like he is trying to put you off breeding from her, which is probably a good idea!

why would it b a good idea for my bitch not to be mated she is in perfect condition and clear eye tested more then what his dogs have which he breeds every year

Her line isn't dead! She's alive, so naturally the line continues! A line only dies out when all the descendents have died.

Perhaps both parents died at a young age (perhaps from inheritable conditions) that makes breeding from your bitch very unwise?

thay didnt die from any think like that. one got attacked and had 2 fight back the other helped his house friend they all ended up in a big fight nearly killin each other so thay got put 2 sleep cos they were in a lot of pain a very hard choice for there  owner but she didnt like to see them in pain

It sounds to me as if their temperament wasn't ideal, or they had very poor socialisation.....  Not ideal breeding stock :(

not necessarily, fights can break out suddenly in even the best tempered dogs in this breed, so its very important to be careful with adult dogs and not leave them unsupervised especially if there are toys or food present and sometimes when bitches are in season they will squabble as well and it can get out of hand.
It sounds to me like the breeder is probably grieving for their dogs, to lose them in a fight like that must have been awful, sometimes when people are upset they can say things which they dont mean, I am sure your bitch would be able to continue the bloodline very well and she is health tested too thats a bonus. Maybe this breeder will see sense once they have gotten over the initial period of anger, sadness etc

the fight was not started by the staffys in any way all they did was fight back there temperment was brilliant  i know this cos i knew the dogs exstremly well they were fantastic dogs it was the other dogs fault it started the fight 99% of dogs will fight back would u

Is the blue dog the very best match in terms of pedigree and type for your bitch? Is the blue dog a good example of the breed and without meaning to sound rude is your bitch a good example of the breed? I think you will find that her blood line is not dead and a bit of reseach on your half would show you this. If you have a five generation pedigree for her then you will see many of the dogs and bitches on there have had progeny which means the line is still alive some of the strecthing all the way back to the foundation dogs of our breed. If your bitches grandsire had other litters then the line is still alive much as it would be if the granddam or dam had more than one litter.

Yes my bitch is a good example of the breed as for the blue on ive not found a good enougth one suitable for my bitch its hard work findin a blue staff never mind a good one haha!! i will now be mating my bitch with TROOPER FROM SHAROC nice dog and good pedigree
what do u mean by progeny ( i know i sound dim!!

Progeny = offspring.
:)

iam still confused all i have on my bitches pedigree is names of her family back ground (now i sound even thicker then before)

Yes, a pedigree will only list an individual's ancestors. When you start researching pedigrees you can often find out the names of other pups in the litters which produced your bitch's ancestors, and can often trace their descendents. These dogs are often a good match when mating.
:)

now even more confused how would i go about findin her litter mates and other litter of her mum and dad , and do u mean that a dog can be mated 2 another dog in her family, i always thourght u could only do this if they were relaited at a distance

Redstaffy
you say your bitch is a good example of the breed...who has assessed her for you? What breed faults does she have?
When breeding you should breed for comformation and temerament first....colour last and so unless this blue dog is the most suitable match to your bitches bloodlines and has the best attributes to try and correct her faults then you should be looking else where.There are far to many dogs bred purely for colour and in the end although they end up a desireable colour they end up as very poor examples of the breed
Archer

i said i was lookin 4 a good enougth blue 4 her which i have not found one suitable for my bitch,she will b mated to trooper fron sharoc and yes he is suitable 4 my bitch,  my bitch has no faults you can see tropper on champdog studs he is the perfect match 4 my bitch.all  people who see my dog say shes a well breed dog also i know a breeder who shows his dogs well he has also asked me to enter her in shows

be careful,there are very few good blue staffys around,i saw a typical advert last night for a very rare champagne blue puppy,they are asking £1200 for it,as for the sharoc kennels from what i have heard from a very good friend in this breed,they are producing good stock,as for faults in your bitch she will have a fault,there is no such thing as a perfect dog,all breeders(good ones)will try and improve on what they have and try to breed as close to the bred standard as possible.

i know she will have some faults but not  any that rule her out from being breed from, not any that come across as noticeable, i have seen badly breed staffs i know what to look for in a staff.. as for sharoc i think my bitch will get great pups from him. but my staffys will always b perfect in my eyes. do u personly know sharocs owners

i don't but a very good friend of mine does,and has seen a couple of cracking dogs from the sharoc line as he put it!

i also seen the ad about the chapaigne blue staffs 4 1200 yet its litter friends 1 blue was 1200 and 1 black 550 WHY they all came from the same litter with same qualities same parents  some people r just takin the p*** the champagneblues should not be  not werth any more then your standerd staff

sorry if this sounds rude,but there is no such colour as a chapagne blue and to me it looks like red,i also noticed,they have poor pigmentation,the nails are very light and they should be black,in my eyes a stafford is a stafford and when choosing a pup you shouldn't go just on colour.

it is sort of a red colour id say fawn  mixed with blue close up they dont look that nice  the name of the colour was proberly just made up by th person cos the puppy had a mixed fur colour (knowin they couldnt sell it as blue cos u can allso see alot of fawn colour on it )

You don't particularly want to find her littermates, or indeed other litters from the same sire and dam. Your best bet is to contact the Kennel Club and get details of descendents of her grandparents or greeat-grandparents. Also many breed clubs have people who keep records of pedigrees.

You need to carefully study the breed standard and compare her to it. You may find that her tail (for example) is too short for the ideal; if so, you shouldn't mate her to a dog who has a similar tail, but rather one whose tail is the perfect length. Remember, no dog is perfect - all have faults, some more than others, and some more serious than others. Even champions have faults - the skill of good breeders lies in recognising these and trying to breed them out whilst still maintaining an individual's virtues.

it sounds like a blue fawn from the way you have described it. £1200 seems a lot though for a stafford puppy, I would say that would be classed as ripping someone off if the other pups are more than half the price!

your right  champaigne blue is like bluefawn,just with a posher name they must think theyll get more calls if they sound unusual

anybody within the stafford breed would avoid this advert like the plague,i know a lady that quite often has blues in her litters and she charges the same for all her pups and she a well respected person within the breed.champagne isn't a colour that even matches anything within the breed standard.

Last week there was an advert in our local paper for blue staffies - £500. Mind you, the reds were £350.

the average price of a stafford is from about £400 to £600 from top breeders with good bloodlines,regardless of colour

my friend mated a red dog to a blue bitch the result was 1 red pup,2 blues and a fawn

Hi
Have both dogs been tested for L2hga ( hydroxyglutaric aciduria)
Information about this condition can be found on

www.eastangliansbtclub.co.uk

on their health issues page.

hi all im well interested in this forum... wowww!! can any one tell me a female bluey brindle and white and black staffy pupys will be like pleasee and hii everyone xx

ho can u explain solid colours pleasee

hi how bout a female blue brindle and white with black brindle spots wot guess do u think the pups colors will be can u suggest or help plzzz thank you