Well what can I say!  Busted. Tut!!!  Ok.  But you have said some nice things colliesrus.  Having said that, I have just revised tomorrow nights training plan.  So if everyone moans about the 5 jump snake, the double box and the masses of pull throughs, I will of course refer them to you.  Hope that's ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And as for your slanderous comments about me running with my trousers down, yes its all true.  And colliemad I do like to do it infront of an audience.  So I might try it at the chum semis this weekend, when no doubt there will be the odd few people watching ;-)

Can't believe I've been busted!

LOL LOL It would be even more spectacular if you could get through this time though wouldn't it? Good luck!!

Yes you have been busted, well and truly. And no more sneaking about or I'll have the Genie work out some sort of spell. It's not just me, Petra and Debbie that have a covern thing going, there's a long established one on here too.

Oh yes and as far as the snake, box and pull throughs go.....bring it on!!! :D :D :D

whispers in Indy's ear, please Brown, help me get it right, please!

Right, now you've asked for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Oh the joys of being the instructor!  Mmm dum de dum, what can I do!

she didn't work the snake, the dog took one look at her rolling in the mud and kept going in the vain hope that no-one would realise that she was with him, poor little beggar, you have to feel sorry for him really don't you? Latest news is that she is willing to repeat the whole flasher incident for a measley £125, so she's a bit cheap too!! ;-)

>Latest news is that she is willing to repeat the whole flasher incident for a measley £125, so she's a bit cheap too!!

I always suspected as much. :D But you see she needs the money to pay for all the weave poles her dog has snapped. It was another one last week...

'Ere colliemad, when I get her plastic bum cheeks, do'ya reakon I should stick a curly tail to it?  

LOL LOL I heard there was an "incident" on the M5 today involving a plastic pig..... didn't have anything to do with you did it? :-D

P.S Those plastic weaves break really easily, I saw a jack russell at one show bump into one and it just snapped at the base so it's nothing clever really.... ;-)

ROFLOL :D :D :D Don't be silly colliemad, how could it be her.......she doesn't live anywhere near the M5. ;)

:D Look it's ok for you, I'm the one with a rapidly approaching training session from hell with Sergeant Major P tonight. Every time we go over a jump, it's going to be, "STOP, do it again..." Do you think I should start praying now or is it too late? Doomed I tell you, we're all doomed... Quick, where's Margot's chill out dust? Teri, Teri, what did you do with the rest of that, er, 'recovered' dust?

yes but aparently piggs can fly and she is coming up this way this weekend for the semi's....... I can't believe you are scared :rolleyes: She is such a nice girl, I can't imagine what you think she is going to do to you :-D I'm sure she will catch up with me at Bromsgrove, even she could have worked out who I am by then LOL

>She is such a nice girl, I can't imagine what you think she is going to do to you

Take your tongue out of your cheek, it's making you mumble. ;) It's not what I think she is going to do that's worrying me, it's what I know she is going to do. Believe me, I've seen it first hand. There we will be, puffing and panting, struggling around this course and she announces it was the something or other qualifier she did last weekend.

I don't mind really, it gets dreadful when she doesn't come for a couple of weeks. Handling goes to pot, some of us fall apart ('I can't do it, it's all going wrong!' Erm, who was that?), some get lost more often than usual, others start dancing ('staying alive, staying alive') :D We are lost without her see. :p

Have eaten lots of chocolate, well more than usual, so will be running on sugar tonight.

Look out, she could arrive any minute, the msn messanger has just popped up saying she's signed in. See, I have a warning system going on here. :p

Well the dogs are crossing their legs and waiting to go out and then I am training too tonight with nice people that don't try and kill me LOL LOL. I would love to stay and see what happens but I really must go, perhaps I could just pop back and check this first though, can I afford to miss it? ;-)

<<There we will be, puffing and panting, struggling around this course >>

I thought you said she was taking the lesson? So why will she be puffing and panting? ;-)

Edited: Cue jaws music..... or should it be psycho? :-D

Not her, me and the other victims, I mean handlers, who are training tonight!

BTW, what makes you think she doesn't know who you are, bet she does. I think it will have to be the Jaws theme as I've never seen her armed with anything other than a Jammy Dodger and there are no showers there whereas it is next to the beach.

I never said she didn't know who I was, I said even she could have figured it out by Bromsgrove, but then it doesn't matter to me cos I'm not scared of her and I don't train with her. Not only that but Andy doesn't need any encouragement to make my training sessions harder he does it all by himself LOL

Edited: Assault with a deadly Jammy dodger eh? You really have had it ;-)

>Assault with a deadly Jammy dodger eh? You really have had it

Assault? No way, she wouldn't waste her Jammy Dodgers! Besides, why lower yourself to assault when you are teaching the class? It will just be a lot of the things she knows I hate, ie pull throughs and the like. An hour to go! :p

Right, I'm off! 'Ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go...Do your worst slobdog, we're ready for anything! :D

Now see how nice I was to you Colliesrus.  And you nearly handled a round well :-)  Ok ok you weren't that bad.  Mr brown is a good boy. 

But just remember this..... revenge is a dish best served cold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And as for you colliemad, I am sure I  will be able to get my own back at some point!  It may not be as easy but I will.

And where were the jammie dodgers last night. I stood out there for 2 hours and didn't get any biccies!

>Ok ok you weren't that bad.  Mr brown is a good boy.

Oooo that almost painful wasn't it? We did good we did, although you weren't joking about the amount of reverse turns, I counted 6 in just one jumping exercise!

There weren't any Jammy Dodgers last night, just custard creams and chocky bourbons but in our witches 'covern corner' we having too much of a laugh to notice you were biscuitless. :D

>But just remember this..... revenge is a dish best served cold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looking forward to next week then. ;) It's your own fault, you're the one who talked me through the panic phase, so now, as I said before,.....bring...it...on!!!!!!!!!! :D

Revenge is a dish best served cold eh? only cos you can't think of anything to do to get your own back ha ha. I ain't scared, I drive 40 tonne trucks for a living so there, ner ner :-D

LOL@colliemad :D

So true, so true. Anyway, as she is the one who has been sneaking about and stalking me, I should be the one plotting revenge, don't you think? Mind you, someone who runs about with their bum hanging out of their trousers doesn't need revenging, she does that all be herself. :p

Hi Colliemad,

I do know Sharon and the lovely Buzz and Chip.  Chip has certainly done well this year.  My b&w is a tad mad too!  But I like it!  Just means when we do get things right it is brilliant!  When it goes wrong.........!!!!

I know of Helen and Andy too, so sounds like you are in good hands.  It is so important to get those early basics right.

Good luck with your pup.   Just enjoy.  And it is true, it is a partnership.  Once you learn to work together you will do things well because of teamwork.  Your dog can't do it without you and you can't do it without your dog.

Hip scoring can be done by any vet but & it's a big but I would only go to a vet who does Hip Scoring X rays on a regular basis, much as I like my GP vet I take my dogs to another vet who does lots of hip score plates & eye testing is done by BVA/ISDS/KC panelists The latter is cheaper when done at shows, eye testing sessions or in my case the National/International sheepdog  trials

>>I also feel the need for them to be balanced ie so many are straight stifled

Interesting point Sandra.  Though I have noticed that the dogs that do well in the top level of agilty are the ones of lighter, more upright construction with straighter angulation front and rear.  The "well angulated" BCs of show breeding and similarly constructed dogs of other breeds and crosses are generally slower and less agile.  This goes along with the most efficient construction for agility and speed being evident in the coursing hounds used in competiting where overangulation is never seen and fronts are extremely straight. 

Increased angulation doesn't equate to increased speed at the canter/gallop and what's gained in length of stride is lost in agility.  JMO :-)

Julie

Hi Julie

I can't agree with the straighter angulation being better for agility, you lose the drive from the rear with straight stifles.  However, certainly the lighter built dogs will be better, some of the show bred ones may have too much bone for the speed needed.

I still say, a well balanced dog with good angulation in front and rear will do better then an unbalanced dog.

Of course you could breed the perfect agility dog and put it with a poor handler and get nothing ;)

JMO Sandra

<<Of course you could breed the perfect agility dog and put it with a poor handler and get nothing>>

Oh how right you are!!!!!  It drives me wild when people breed two agility dogs together and say "oh they should be brililant look at the parents" not so!!!!!!!

There are some cracking dogs out there with rubbish handlers, good job too otherwise I might get beaten by more people :-)

Agree, unbalnced construction just causes movement faults and is worse than either over or under angulation.

Take a look at these Salukis http://saluqi.home.netcom.com/album2.htm These are not show dogs but coursers where speed and agility is the prime objective.  I think if these were as trainable as BCs there would be some serious competition in agility..... and yes, there's a lot more to it than just construction :-)

Julie

They are all BC to me too MM!! :-D  I totally agree about the eye and hip testing. I am getting my pup hip scored when he is 12 months just for peace of mind as I already have a dog with a problem. He was from working stock and I was asked 101 questions by the farmer who seemed very "sensible" and concerned about where his pups were going. There was a lady leaving as I arrived very unhappy that he wouldn't sell her a £50 pup as she had a small child and was pregnant. He can no longer do agility at full height, he is allowed to continue over lower height thankfully and he doesn't seem to care although the first time he looked surprised at such little jumps :-D

lol my boy with HD did lower jumps too & of course as he was scored at 12 months he was never allowed over the higher junps, bless him he loved the collapsed tunnel & dog walk

My vet did say something about x-raying hips when we went for first visit. Didn't really take that on board with all the other information.  They don't do agility until they are over a year old anyway but I will ask more about x-raying.  What did you mean about shows - do they have a portable machine? What sort of shows?
Also how do they test the eyes? 
I have no intention of breeding - in fact I am considering having her spayed because we have a roaming male lab who has already fathered 2 litters down the road - the owner will not keep it in.

Some of the Border Collie breed shows have an eye specialist doing a clinic.  You don't have to be entered at the show, but you need to book in advance.  I know they usually do one at Newark, Bretby and Maidstone at different times of the year.

I have my dogs eyes tested at the nation or international sheepdog trials hip X rays have to be done at the vets as the dog has to be in a certain position with the legs outstretched usually sedated or under a GA

MM -    LOL LOL LOL My monster has an obsession with the contacts which is funny cos he regularly jumped off the A-frame just for the laugh of it, he does have a great sense of humour bless him and he is happy. He loves the pup, he is wrestling with him now and he is far more tolerant than he should be although he is finally starting to be a little firmer which the little monster needs :-D

no you need a terra to keep him in touch! you know she likes to duff em all up! :-)

chel

Ha Ha, I don't have bitches or you would have lost her already!!! Be interesting to see how the monster turns out :-D Sol has another girlfriend at my training class, ISDS working bred tri and about 6 weeks older than him. Whenever they are together no-one else is allowed to play with him, she gets very upset :-D She beats him up too, perhaps he likes it......

he must whisper something!
you going to chippenham? we'll have to let them play again!

no, not Chippenham. Next is Letchworth, then Bromsgrove, Lune Valley, Wigton, Newton Heath and Wyre when the schedules finally appear. Have you decided on a stud yet?

no, still got it down to 2 now, glen and kruise,

I'll be at Bromsgrove and Chippenham too. First weekend show for Bromsgrove, I loved their show last year.

we're off to cornwall that weekend, didnt want to go too far as we have our own show the following week! plus we always do recipricol ring party,

julie, back to lil miss terra-ble, she just swallowed a mouse!(pressie from the cat, still alive eugh!) she can go like grease lightening when she fancies, dont fancy carrying live mice round at training tho! why are dogs sooo disgusting, shes the first one ive had that will eat anything!

Sol eats poo, rabbit, fox, sheep... He started to dig a hole at ringside at chipping norton looking for more rabbit cos he'd eaten all he could reach, (yuk)