I have long haired miniature daschund ,he is a dark red he has a good pedigree of which his father was 2nd res in crufts as a puppy plus others .I would like to use him to stud but am unsure of where to start, how to advertise what to charge etc. I would be extremely gratefull of any advice of where to start . thanks .

Have a read of the first post on the Breeding forum of this site.

Your dog will need to have passed all the breed-relevant checks for hereditary conditions (a check by your GP vet is not sufficient) and should also be independently assessed as being of suitable quality for breeding. A 'good pedigree' isn't enough - even Champions produce puppies which should never be bred from.

Have looked in the breed section and he and his parents have had the PRA check that is the only one it states should i be looking some where else as well

"2nd res in crufts "

Sorry I don't understand.  What is this please?

Sorry a 2nd reserve in the puppy class

Welcome to the forum :)

Hi sal. and welcome to CD.

Your dogs sire either got 2nd in puppy class, or reserve (4th) in puppy class. Or he got his 2nd reserve CC from the puppy class. He couldn't have got 2nd reserve. There just isn't an award. :)

The best people to ask about your dog is his breeder(s) and other people in the show ring. They would be able to tell you if he was good enough to breed from. They will also tell you what health checks are needed for your breed.

Thanks for your help .It just says on his kc certificate that he is 2 res in best puppy in show just presumed meant that . Will get back in touch with breeder ,will they be able to tell me about starting showing etc .

I doubt that is a KC paper as they don't show wins on them!  Are you sure that it's KC registered???  Or do you mean that this was written on his pedigree by the breeders?

Sorry to ask so many questions just trying to get things clearn in my head :d  Takes a lot to do that for me.

2 X RBPIS ???

Thats what I thought Anwen.
Sal....reserve best puppy in show does not mean Crufts...Crufts only has best puppy in breed .Reserve best puppy is likely to be at an open show
I am wonedering if the dog is KC reg at all with things like this on the papers?
Archer

he is definately kc reg enquired we have to seperate forms a hand written one and a typed one. the written one elaborates on the other one ,of which i have now discovered after help that  his shire  was reserve in his breed class .These are highlighted red amoungst others on his papers .If he has had all test done that are appropriate for his breed , and is of good pedigree am i mistaken in thinking he could be a stud dog ?

Do you have his registration document, with his registered name and number, along with those of his sire and dam? The document looks like the documents on this page (step 2). You will have sent this back to the KC to transfer his ownership into your name, and received a new form in return, with your name and address printed on it. If not, then he isn't Kennel Club registered.

An award of reserve (4th place) in his breed class is nice, and shows his sire was better than average, but it isn't outstanding, I'm afraid.

Hi the document is exactly the same as one sent Thanks ! i have already changed his details into my name sometime ago but also ordered a 5 generation family tree of which he has 8 red printed names among the others ,Which is what i was led to believe meant he was a good pedigree ? He has had the PRA dna test done as has his shire and they are both clear .

8 champions in a pedigree of five generations that consists of 62 ancestors doesn't make it particularly good, especially if these are not in the first couple of generations.

Even a pedigree with both champion parents and grandparents will produce pups that are not of breeing quality, and occasionally a not so illustrious pedigre witll produce a good dog, but the chances of the latter bheing dominant for the good traits is less than an outstading dog with a really good pedigree.

I have to agree with brainless.

Most of my dogs have a full run of (red) ch & Sh Ch in their pedigrees. One has only 7 names printed in black.  Like you I have a dog which I would have liked to have used at stud, He has no less than 31 UK Ch and Sh Ch, and also french, belgian, Norwegian and International Champions in his pedigree.  BUT he is NOT good enough himself to use as a stud.  He is an excellent specimen of his breed, but not exceptional.  Please accept that a good pedigree does not consitute an exceptional dog. In my opinion ONLY an exceptional dog should be used at stud.  There are enough good stud dogs already out there, please dont consider using a dog that does not meet the highest of standards. 

In fact, just recently, 3 of my rescues each had more than 8 champions in their pedigree, and all three dogs have very serious faults, overbite, level teeth, and generally poor conformation all round, One did not even resemble the breed and I would have thought he was a x-breed if I had not received the pedigrees for him :( 

So he wont be worth studding

Thats not what I said :)  I havent seen him so I dont know, but until you get him out into the showring to be assessed by your breed judges you wont know either.   Showing is also great fun, not just a competition, for all we know you may have a fantastic dog that no-one has seen.  But the showring is the best place to start, unless of course you know 2 or 3 breed judges who will give you an honest and unbiased opinion of him.

Give showing a go, but be warned.....its a bit like CD, it becomes addictive :D

Thanks ,tried it when i was younger with a different daschund but have no idea who to contact to get trained or where local shows are etc... Any ideas ? I dont think he is going to be the next champ but in my eyes hes lovely , but hey what do i know ?

Your local ring craft would be the best place to start, they will also have schedules for shows in your area. As far as I know, the KC have a list or registered ring craft classes, and am sure someone will be able to put a link up for you shortly

And Sal, I have 4 who show, and 4 who dont for one reason or another, but they are all 'the best' in my eyes, and win or lose, I always take the best dog home ;) 

But, to go back to the origins of the post, if they are not the best, they are not used for breeding since they have nothing to put into the gene pool, and remain as much loved pets ;)

Completly agree with you really appreciate all your help will keep eye out for link and see when can get started ,at least if find out he not a champ ,will give myself a new hobbie ! . I am sure he will try his best !

Contact the Kennel club for ringcraft classes to leanr how to show him and give him practice.  then subscribe to either Our dogs or Dog World wekly dog papers where all the shows are advertised and all the show results and critiques are published, as well as lots of doggy news.

thanks for all your help !

Has the typed one been signed so that you can exchange him into your name?

If not you need to get this done if you were to use him at stud, because if not the pups won't be able to be registered with the KC.

You should also consider having this DNA test done on him as well

Hi Thanks for the attatchment ,I have had this done as it is one of the breed defects and have been advised to do this as they are trying to eliminate from breed .both he and his shire were clear .

Sorry, Sal, just a little thing that is annoying me, it's SIRE, not SHIRE, SHIRE is a horse!

Sorry absolutely Naff at spelling feel  free to correct me again

Sorry, just made me laugh, had a picture in my head of a Shire horse mating a Dachsie. Got to be a joke in there somewhere!

Thanks after a long day that made me smile 

Yes was signed been sent  back and changed into my name for sometime now .What age can you start studding a dog ?

Hi again, having a good pedigree is not enough, there are lots of dogs in my breed that I know of that have a lot of red in their pedigrees, but you would be hard pushed to recognise them as Siberians! You must prove how good he is in the show ring  first, before any good breeder will be interested in using him at stud. You are going the right way with the health tests, but there is a lot more to it than that! Did you read the first post on the breeding forum?

Yes , Just dont know where to get started with showing etc

The link I sent was not for a PRA DNA test it was for the Narcolepsy (NARC) Test Optigen do not as yet have a DNA test available for dachshunds(or BC's either :( ) These are the DNA tests available & as far as i know they are they only company offering DNA tests for PRA etc

Thanks for that he has had the Pra test done but will ask my vet regarding this one

What PRA DNA test has he had done or do you mean he has been eye tested clear for PRA at the time of the test ?

You do realise that eye tests(unless the dog is DNA clear or DNA carrier)need to be done every year as PRA is Progressive Retinal Atrophy & can occur in dogs that have been previously tested clear ? don't you ?

Excuse my ignorance , But obviously what i have been talking to the vet about,i have not been given the correct info .I asked if to stud him what test needed to be done for the breed she told me PRA had to be tested by blood , to see if he carrying or clear etc. So that if i was to breed from him it would be with the correct dam with regards to her pra test ....Its a good job found this site as you lot seem to be more clued up than my vet ! Thanks .So i have to have the blood test to see if he carrying PRA done yearly ?

If your dog has had the DNA test done & has the clear certificate issued by the AHT then no, annual testing is not needed, I missed the fact your dog is a mini longhair for whom there is a one off test available in the UK

Oh right so i should just have him tested for the DNA nar... one .Does that have to be done yearly or a one off aswell . And obviously start showing him !

sal, I wouldn't start spending money on DNA testing until you prove in the show ring that he's a good enough specimen to be used at stud!! ;)

Is it not in his best interest to see if he has got  it for his health . Or is it just that he might carry it on if he had siblings , surely if his parents were never tested how would i know abount his health ?

I have all my dogs health tested as I would rather know in advance than find out too late

Like all DNA tests its a one off