Oh come on your much bigger than me so I should not be able to upset you even if your lacking in some things which are not in your trousers by the way and sorry if thats true.
Perhaps you should learn some diplomatic skills before coming in and speaking to others the way you did.
Was there a need to put what you did. I have never seen anyone else use the one word you did on here. 
You are welcome to speak your mind but picking on a young lady and trying to impress with I'm a hard case which is intimidating , well really you sit back and think about it.

Ok I better say something constructive.

First I tend to walk mine on a lead in the fields where I walk. Being he is a giant breed I have to watch who he plays with. Most dogs run up to him as 99% of the dogs around here are walked off a lead, I'm fine with that. Being he is a Newf and as gentle as can be he never gets rattled. 
I've only once had to call some one to collect their dog, only because it was to playfull and I did not want mine to get carried away.
I think the chap could have been a little more diplomatic. To take it out on the dog the way he did was not right and perhaps he had a right to ask for the lab to be controlled but the way he did it was wrong.

Sorry Mr Murphy if my comments upset you. I'm big enough to say sorry.

 

No mini you didnt upset me.

I just think your ref to small and big all the time has something to do with you being a dwarf. Do they not have constructive activitys in your area like dwarf throwing or something.

You may be wondering what this has to do with topic. Well nothing just the same as mini's post about small penis's.

You know what they say about dogs taking after their owners ;)

I think he was way OTT to react that way - and it's hardly something that "keeps happening".  According to Debbie's post, it's happened "once before".  No way should the guy have reacted that severely.  Debbie, did the guy actually say anything the last time you met?  If it was my dog annoying him and he hadn't metnioned it before, I'd assume it was okay; if he had, I'd be wary and get hold of my dog, but I would never expect that sort of reaction.  There's just no need.  And Mr. Murph, steady on.  I don't see any selfishness on Debbie's part - her dog has been the victim of a act of cruelty that should never have happened, and she is understandably upset.  I would be, and I'd have had serious words with the guy too!  All he had to do was say "I don't want your dog to approach mine" or words to that effect, and Debbie could've got hold of Rolo and spared the whole incident from happening.  IMO he is entirely at fault here, especially if the two dogs have met before without any misgivings being voiced.

Thank you Nikita for your understanding, my Rolo was the victim here, it certainly was uncalled for. i am a very responsible dog owner. Thanks for your support. Kind Regards Debbie

I totally agree that it was OTT and understand how upset Debbie is, but I'm afraid I agree with Mr Murph that he should not have to ask not to have your dog accost his, the onus should be on the owner to check that they other dog owner is ok with their dog running up to them.  A responsible dog owner will simply not let their dog rush up to others, accost them.  I think the point that has caused a problems it this

>I am very upset with this man, to me this behavour in dogs is quite normal, this is what dogs do,

It may be normal, but it is not acceptable.  I too have a lab and I do not let him run up to strange dogs to say 'hello' but I have lost count of the number who have run up to mine while I have been trying to do some training and jumped all over him and the owners say 'he's very friendly he just wants to say hi'.:(

Not in any way condoning his behaviour, but I do understand why he was angry.

>it's hardly something that "keeps happening".  According to Debbie's post, it's happened "once before". 

Yes, from her dog, but how many other dog ignoring their owners had interfered with that mans dog before Debbie got there? No he wasn't right to react in that way but sorry, neither was Debbie. As a general rule you should not allow your dogs to approach other dogs they don't know. If he will not walk past without approaching because you do not have that sort of control (which you should) then he needs to go on a lead until you can check if it's ok. I have been doing this for years, it was the way I believed was right when I got my first dog so it always puzzles me why others don't but there you go, that's ppl for you, we are all different.

Debbie, I know this was a horrible experience for you and Rolo, but do him and yourself a favour and learn from it. Arguing the point isn't helping you either. You were both in the wrong IMO.

Mr Murph I can see where you are coming from but getting aggressive on this board won't help you prove your point, it will just rally others around the person you are 'debating' with. Try some of Margot's chill out dust, I hear it's good stuff. ;) 

>how many other dog ignoring their owners had interfered with that mans dog before Debbie got there?

Let's assume none ... because why would you assume anything else?

with my tin hat on i will say that merlin runs straight up to other dogs, If we see a person in the distance (he plays on a field) we call him back and put him on a lead before we can see if they have a dog or not on or off lead, but on the odd occassion he sees them before we do and legs it. #His selective hearing comes back and we have to phisically pick him up or pull him away and hold on to him by his collar until the animal is out of sight.I can understand why people get offended but to me and im sure most people on here, my dog is my child and i dont think i could have held my temper if someone laid a hand on him. I appreciate there are reasons people do not want these things to happen, but sometimes its accidental as is my case. I hope your boy isnt too upset, and chin up debbie.

I think most of us will have experienced less than 100% reliability with our dog's recalls at some point and would understand providing an effort is made to control and remove the dog - I think what angers most people - myself included - is where people see nothing wrong and make no attempt to get back their dog when it is being a nuisance to other dogs - unfortunately, this is all to common as has been demonstrated by some of the posts.  And although a dog may be very friendly and non aggressive it does not mean that another dog will not be upset at having it's space invaded.   I do think this guy was OTT and hope Rolo is ok, but neither side is blameless, and hopefully lessons will have been learnt.

ok, just a point Im not sure has been covered or not (loooong thread, this...!) but if the man didnt want his dog to be greeted by the lab..(which he knew had happened once before) then why oh why didnt he put his dog on a lead????? (didn't debbie say that it was off lead too??) If the owner was so fed up of dogs greeting his then when he sees a boistrous lab approaching then he should put HIS dog on a lead!! hello??

I would be appauld if this happened to my dog...Im sorry there are ways of doing things and hurting the dog is the wrong way to go about it....If he is gonna take respond in such an extreme and cruel way then he could at least take action to show that he does not want his dog approaching...putting his dog on a lead would have been the first step....calling his dog to him would have been a second....

and gollygosh, some peoples responses on here are kinda rude.. I nearly choked on my coffee when I read a post saying "I would have sank my boot in"  jeeez!

>> ... but if the man didnt want his dog to be greeted by the lab..(which he knew had happened once before) then why oh why didnt he put his dog on a lead????? (didn't debbie say that it was off lead too??) If the owner was so fed up of dogs greeting his then when he sees a boistrous lab approaching then he should put HIS dog on a lead!! hello??

Why should he need to put his dog on a lead if it was under control, not causing a nuisance to anyone and (I assume) walking beside him and his wife. The reason the OP was told they should have their dog on the lead was due to the fact that their dog was not under control and was being a nusiance.

ok...maybe that is true..."why should HE have to" but if he knew that the lab had greeted his dog before...and he saw it coming towards his dog, then wouldnt common sense take over and shouldnt he just have put his dog on a lead...? what I mean is...there was no real need for the aggresive way that he dealt with the matter and  (ok, I havent read the entire thread...so please forgive if I am wrong) but the OP doesnt even state that her dog actually bounded across to the spaniel in an uncontrolable manner....how do we know that the lab wasnt walking WITH the OP and (seen as both dogs were off lead) he just got a bit friendly as they greeted each other?? I understand that it is not nice for strange dogs to bound up to yours at full pelt...and if that did happen then fair enough, the spaniel owner has a right to be angry at the lab owner..(but I think a civilised conversation would have been much more appropriate) I just think half choking a dog for it is more than appauling!

why s hould he have to put his dog on a lead??

well being on a lead for two minutes is hardly going to ruin a dogs walk if that dog is walking to heel and well behaved anyway is it.

And if being on a lead conveys the message 'please do not let your dog approach mine' then thats what I will do!

Em

I have a very nervous male collie cross who i walk on the lead. He often hides in bushes if he sees dogs approaching and his nervous demeanour has often resulted in dogs going for him. I can let him off the lead in very secluded places but i always hope that when people notice he is on a lead they will put their dog on the lead but this very rarely happens. He is also an "entire" male so if he smells a female he will try to mount her so it is easier to walk him on the lead. I havent had him "done" as he suffers fits and i would be worried about him going under aneasthetic. So i dont want to spoil any other dogs walks off the lead but if you see a dog being walked on a lead there is usually a story behind it. As both dogs were off the lead i can see both sides to the story

Hi annaberry - I think the lab was doing more that just greet the lab :o - I understood from the original post that the lab was making a nuisance of itself and trying to hump the spaniel and that the OP thought this was normal and what dogs do, and had laughed it off when it happened before.  Well it is what dogs do, but it's not acceptable to allow it.  I've seen it myself when owners say its normal dog behaviour and laugh it off, and have had it done to my dog too, so I fully understand why the man was angry.  I don't however, condone what he did though - his response was OTT, and if he couldn't deal with the problem civily, he should have at least expressed his anger to the owner, not taken it out on the dog.

>his response was OTT, and if he couldn't deal with the problem civily, he should have at least expressed his anger to the owner, not taken it out on the dog.

That absolutely sums it up. Don't hurt the dog because of something the owner has or hasn't done.

i have a 4 month old GSD (benji). he is scared of dogs due to his bad start in life in his previous home. however we are getting htere slowly and i have made a few friends at the fild who we have intoduced to benji slowly and gently and now he will happpily play with those dogs no problems.

benji is a good boy, and walks to heel and will recall fist time. if a strange dog is near by i give the command to sit and he will sit and stay intill the other dog has passed.

if i feel there are a lot of dogs in one area of which we dont know, i will put him on his lead, after all it dosnt matter who well trained an animal is, a scared animal is an animal out of control. if a group of dogs ran towards benji i can not 100% guarentee that in his moment of fear he would recall to me. although i knwo he wont bite.

it gets anoying when i see other people let there dogs run up to benji, even when he is on his lead and sat by my side, benji hates it. and the owners ussually laugth as benji runs round me screaming with his tail between his legs becasue some thoughless person has let there dog invade our space.

i think it is out of order for anyone yo hit or abuse any animal, especially one that isnt your own. animals dont have spite, they dont think , ah ill just go and say hello to that dog over there and wind her owner up whild im at it. but as long as humans portray animals with human emotions and feelings then animals are always goign to be treated liek naughty children.

several time snow i have seen incidents where a dog has been aloowed to do over to a strange dog and the owener shout out, its ok he is friendly, just sayign hello, and suddenyl there dog has started to get agressive, and the owner of the aggressive dog has had a hard tme callign there dog off.

and trhen you here the, oh he isnt ussualy liek that.

again sexual instinct and the instinct of fear are two things no one has any contrl over. even us as humans will react compleatly out of character in fear.  dogs are the same.

its far safer not to take the risk and risk ruining it for everyone else.

^ benji i think my dogs would be a nuisance to yours , they feed off weak dogs and like bullying them :P
This is park of the reason why i only unleash my dogs on small streets on the sidewalk , on a big field with abunch of dogs they are all so tempted to bother(play) with other dogs! My heel control off lead with only 1 of 4 is basically 100% because she's old enough to ignore dogs and puppys. The other 3 go wild , heel is 50% when passing another pooch.

Hello Manny
What would happen  if I walked by you in the street with your dogs loose(against thelaw). Would they come over to my dogs on the lead and what would be their reaction to my dogs being aggressive. Would they fight or leave.

Mr Murph,  it is also against the law to cruelly kick an animal too.

Mr Murph, which is the law that says that dogs must be on a lead in the street, because I can't find it on the net. I'd like to read it. I know it's common sense to have the dog on a lead near traffic, but as we know common sense is actually far from common! I didn't know it was on the statute books though.
:)

The law says on or near a road a dog must be on the lead.
I will find the relavent section and post it here for you.

It may not be a law in Canada though which is where Manny walks his dogs ;)

If it isn't a National law it certainly is a bylaw here in Bristol.  A lot of lamposts around here have two plaques attached one says clean up after your dog with a Penalty up to £500 for not doign so, and the other says keep your dog on the lead and the penalty for breaking that is £200.

Uhhmm , well i only have my oldest who is 12 and just ignores all societly anyhoo off lead. She's over her days of sniffing and such but i am aware that she IS a dog and is never 100% reliable. It would not be her personality to show interest in other dogs or humans , if she looks like shes getting a little frisky then i'll hold her by the collar while we pass by. Basically i can tell by theire tempermant whether i should allow off leash while walking , few years back i had 2 sibe huskys who never had off leash , they walked pretty nicely but i just couldn't trust them.

Only dog i will keep on leash for the time being are Max and my jj , they are always a bit frisky and i wouldn't want one of them to get hit by a car chasing a squirrel..

BTW i stated small streets , no way i would take them off lead on a main road , nuh uh.

By the way , it's not against the law so errm...

For anyone interested in the law regarding dogs in a public place,

The Control of Dogs Act can be perused here

http://www.dogstrust.org.uk/information/adviceondogs/doglaw/presentlaw/

Was going to add

Most local government organisations in the UK also have Bye Laws stating that a dog must be on a leash near a road.

quote * Road Traffic Act 1988
This makes it an offence to have a dog on a designated road without the dog being held on a lead.

Reading it means a dog can be walked off a lead on a designated pavement but not on a designated road.

Some off our great laws are crazy. Take a speeding fine, it says you must sign the form but people have gone to court and asked where in british law does it state you must sign it. Some judges have agreed with that as there is no law dedicated to that question and the fine was dropped due to incorrect paperwork.

Edited, Dill that bye law is a pain. That throws a spanner in the works.

Manny

its against the law in the uk and this is a uk site.

Section 27 of the 1988 Act

"  27.--(1) A person who causes or permits a dog to be on a designated road without the dog being held on a lead is guilty of an offence.

            (2) In this section "designated road" means a length of road specified by an order in that behalf of the local authority in whose area the length of road is situated.

             (3) The powers which under subsection (2) above are exercisable by a local authority in England and Wales are, in the case of a road part of the width of which is in the area of one local authority and part in the area of another, exercisable by either authority with the consent of the other.

              (4) An order under this section may provide that subsection (1) above shall apply subject to such limitations or exceptions as may be specified in the order, and (without prejudice to the generality of this subsection) subsection (1) above does not apply to dogs proved--
(a) to be kept for driving or tending sheep or cattle in the course of a trade or business, or
(b) to have been at the material time in use under proper control for sporting purposes.
               (5) An order under this section shall not be made except after consultation with the chief officer of police.

               (6) The Secretary of State may make regulations--
  (a) prescribing the procedure to be followed in connection with the making of orders under this section, and
(b) requiring the authority making such an order to publish in such manner as may be prescribed by the regulations notice of the making and effect of the order.
                (7) In this section "local authority" means--
(a) in relation to England and Wales, the council of a county, metropolitan district or London borough or the Common Council of the City of London, and
(b) in relation to Scotland, a regional or islands council.
              (8) The power conferred by this section to make an order includes power, exercisable in like manner and subject to the like conditions, to vary or revoke it."

This can be applied to all roads by the Local Authority, it's usually applied to bus routes, dual carriageways & busy roads.( IMHO it should apply to ALL road) & the word  road does not mean the carriageway(the bit the cars etc drive on)but the highway which includes the verges & footpaths

>its against the law in the uk and this is a uk site

Thanks captain obvious! Been here long enough to know this is a UK site and i can tell by the url. Most people here already know i'm from Canada so its not breaking the law.

So how about you come to Canada and walk by my unleashed dog , gaurantee my dog will not in any way instigate your dog or show agressive behaviour, how about i head over to the UK and have my dog off leash infront of your dog. Same outcome. Haha , Mr Murph whats your deal , what are you trying to prove?

thought it was me you were talking to sorry

Speakin to my buddy benji in my original post , don't know where you popped in from. Haha! Still don't know what your trying to prove but uhm okay?

Loud mouth over the water? Guess so , only reason i would ever hit another man is if my wife , kids or dogs were being threatened. I'll verbally abuse you anytime.

Verbal abuse is probably your strong point, what you are good at. Manny

It is ilegal in this cuntry. (Verbal abuse also)
Your cuntry may be different and it may be legal over there.

Hope that was a compliment.

I'm sure it is legal to have your dog off lead here. I'm really wondering Murphy , why do you keep stating to me that it is illigal. Is there a point you are trying to get across to me? Say it , i hate people who are so indirect.

hello manny
The reason I state the UK is you have taken a bit of my post and put it in yours stating it is legal. Also the poster is in the uk and so am I so your laws are no use to the poster.

As for direct this post is about dog soff lead annoying others. I asked you (before I realised you were in canada) what your dogs would do off lead passing mine. By what you say I dont have a problem with your dogs if they leave mine alone. I have just about got my dog to walk past dogs that are well enough trained to walk on. Its the people who allow their dogs to run up and pester mine and they dont recall etc. This takes my work with my dog backwards. I think these people are selfish unpronounceable words etc.

Hope this answers your question

Yes my dogs would leave your dogs alone if offleash , now stop this argueing can't we all be a happy international forum family :D

awright then I supose so.

I will only be truly happy when they lift the APBT ban

i think i would have pushed him in the lake!!!! or reported him to the police or both!!!!