i was reading the dangeours dog act rules supplied by defra today, and it says that pitballs are prohibited.

however i have seen loads of these types of dogs around. especially the pit bull terriers.

does this mean that the peopel who have these dogs are breaking the law?

That depends as most of you wouldnt know a pitbull if it stole your wages with a ski mask on.
So no these people probably have dogs that you dont know what they are.
If they are breaking the law then so what its a foolish law that should be broken
ISBTs are mistaken for pitbulls all the time by the inexperienced so how do you know it was a pitbull and not a staff x lab or staff x boxer or ISBT or ISBT x How do you know they are pitbulls when the Kennel club say that they dont conform to size shape and colour.
Have you just found out that APBTs are ilegal. If so have you been at the north pole for a while or what.

Theres no need to be so rude!

Stann, you must admit that it's a bit strange that someone's only just discovered that pitbulls are illegal, when the law banning them was passed in 1991 ...

I dont find it strange, I only found out my self this past couple of years..... You have to remember that just because people like dogs doesnt mean they know everything about them! I actually know more people who have NOT heard of this law than have! So being rude was just not on!

well you must have come back from the north pole a couple of years earlier then Zoe

I guess so, as did a hell of alot of other people Mr. Murph

The tabloids mention it frequently (especially in the 'silly season' and 'slow news days') - broadsheets less often, admittedly, but at least annually. I would have thought people interested in dogs would be interested in all the laws about them ...

Basically it's an appalling knee-jerk law that should have been laughed out when it was first proposed. It's completely illogical and totally unenforceable.

I do think it is a bit strange to be honest, but i think that there is a way to say things without rudeness. Some people, including a very good friend of mine, only know about things that have directly affected them and are blissfully unaware of anything else. I just think that the world in general would be nicer if people thrased things differently sometimes as we dont know how sensative the OP is and how much this may have upset her.

My freind Stan is a funny old man oh yeh. Who wrote that song.

Only joking Stan not aimed directly at you.

If the poster had searched DDA which has been flogged to death on here they wouldnt have needed to post.

I think people use it as its always an inflamatory post Hence my curt not rude reply
Mick

>Who wrote that song.

Wasn't it a Slade hit?

showing your age and mentality like me now jean

Yep! :D Grand days! :D

good cause im a girly lol. Point taken about inflamitory posts, but some people seriously dont know about these things. My mate, although not a doggy person is absolutely solid about matters which you would think every one knows about, and she gets well embarrassed about it when you answer her in a certain way so i felt for the OP with the blunt answers.

All dogs 'of pitbull type' are banned, and liable to be seized. Yes, the people who have these dogs are breaking the (very poorly thought-out and worded) law.

It's a very bad law, and afficianados of the breed should be campaigning to have it repealed, not broken.

We have been told it will never be repealled and has been left open to add more breeds to it if needed.

It doesnt help when we have people shouting they have seen loads of them when they dont know what they seen

It has at least been amended slightly to remove the mandatory death sentence, but campaigning to get rid of it should continue. 'Never say never'!

It also doesn't help when people claim to have pitbulls (my brother's neighbours, for example) when in fact they don't!

We have very little chance of that as europe wants just about everything that isnt german banned

Which is a darned good reason for leaving the EC ... but that's another thread entirely!

Now leaving europe is something I can agree with. Go on jean start another thread then.
It should be a good topic

somebody please describe a pitbull type for me please as there is no mention of what it looks like in the dda,couldn't you class every staffie x bred with a larger breed as pitbull type,what a stupid piece of legislation!

>couldn't you class every staffie x bred with a larger breed as pitbull type,what a stupid piece of legislation!

Yes, and yes. You're absolutely right. A Great Dane cross was seized and destroyed many months later. Lab/boxer crosses likewise. Which is why the law should be repealed.

I agree it should be...

Have to disagree on a small point of wording jean You say that a great dane x was seized Lab/bover crosses likewise. and this is why it should be repealled.
It should be repealled because the APBT is a great dog and should not be banned.

It should be repealed because it isn't specific. No breed should be banned per se. And certainly not an unrecognised breed which is indeterminable. There are wrong 'uns in all breeds. Generally it's the ownres who exacerbate make a sad situation, but it's the dogs who suffer. :(

tazs mum

Youve got it. If the Kennel club say they dont conform to size shape or colour then what does it look like.

I think you can only spot them when the horns start to develop about 5 years old. Then the feet turn cloven and the tail gets a fork. They come out at night to eat children and anything else they can find.

You can see them now and again up allyways with ski masks and baseball bats looking for victims to mug.

On a more serious note any dog that is reported to the police as being of pit bull type will be seized and locked in a kennel in a secret location (in case you break it out) until a gvt appointed vet looks at it and gives a verdict. About a 12 month process. You cant appeal or get a second opinion and your own vet doesnt have a say.

Wonderful law

>I think you can only spot them when the horns start to develop about 5 years old. Then the feet turn cloven and the tail gets a fork. They come out at night to eat children and anything else they can find.

>You can see them now and again up allyways with ski masks and baseball bats looking for victims to mug.

ROFL :-D, lolololololol.

I can just imagine them, dark red colour too, lol

Seriously tho, the law does need to be repealed.

the reason I think the law should be ignored is that the only way we will ever get the govt in this cuntry to listen is to have mass public disobedience.
ie dont pay the road tax till they start fixing the roads. they cant jail us all.
Not happy with the minimum wage?. Refuse to work for it.
Only problem with that is the refugees will do it for £1.50 an hour.
Thats why they want them in so we cant complain.

no its not a case that i have only foudn out. in fact i worked as vet nurse and did a national diploma in animal care and knew that they were on the dangerous dogs act. however i was nto aware that certain sub speices of the pit ball were also banned. and it did mention the pit bull terrier.

youve got me confused you knew they were banned but didnt know that any relations were banned

All pi bull type. Anything that may have APBT or Tosa or fila braziliera or dogo argentino or crosses from these breeds or dogs that are of that type.

Covers all dogs Ive ever seen does that

>pitballs

Haha i giggled when i read this typo , i need therapy.

Pitbulls were recently banned in Ontario , beginning this upcoming september you'll have to put a muzzle on and always be on lead. I don't see why ,i've met the most obedient pittys. They had such a loving tempermant like a golden in a pittys body! Stupid law , might as well ban dobs,rottis,bsds,g-shnauzers and any dog that has a high fight drive. Lock-Jaw isn't going to get someone killed , a lousy uncaring owner of ANY dog will.

I pity any REAL dog owner who agrees with this law or finds it right in any way. Just wait until your lovely little yorkie or chihuhaha start to attack the eldery , i see a ban coming along!

i didint say i agreed with the law, as i dont belive any dog should be banned just becasue they are associated with dog fighting. i was just wondering if these people would really have there dogs seized.

also yes with so many diversions of the mastiff family there are many types of dog that look like the pitbull and i understand where your coming from when you say that many woudl not know what a true pitbull looke dlike it one bit there ar*e. there are a lot of mastiff type dogs round my area and its a shame becasue most of them are owned by kids who try to make them viscious and fight other dogs.

also come on guys i was just intrestied in what i see as a valid point. is no one posted on these boards because of a few know it alls that ripped the piss out of them then these boards woudl be empty.

its great that some of you knwo a lot, maybe it would be more senserble and less a waste of energy if you shared your knowledge and spred your knowledge rather than put novices or begginers to the dog world down.

Hehe , didn't scold ya , just my two cents :p

But really , i've seen these arrogant preps with the little chihauhas that just bark snarle and try to get a hold of your ankles. I don't think this is the correct tempermant of these dogs so i think its the owners that are not socializing and creating the correct manners. Give the same owner a pitbull or any dog with high fight drive , and what do you have.. 100 lb dog that barks, snarles and tries to rip off any strangers legs. Hooray for losers!

The ban is just going to far. Any reports of agressive behaviour should be reported to the police. Then the dog should be in quarentine till it is certified with the correct tempermant. That's the correct way to judge a canine, looks can be decieving.

BTW the pitballs thing was just a joke , wasn't intended to put anyone down :p. Don't worry about it benjismum i would never put anyone down without being instigated to do so.

To answer your original question , yes they are breaking the law! :p

benjis mum
I will take your last post on board about novice dog owners.
The problem is that most people use the DDA APBT ISBT etc as inflamatory posts. Hence the reason some of us are a bit sharp about it.

and yes these people will risk losing the dog as they dont care and will get something else.

In glasgow just now the boxer is the choice dog for the scum at the moment.

hi all, im sorry if i hit a sore point :-(

i was just curious thats all.

thankyou for the replys and the information.

You have no need to apologise BM, you did nothing wrong, you asked a question and that is what the board is here for :) I hope in a round about way your question was answered :p