I was having a lovely walk around the lakes with my doggie friends and a lot of other dog walkers with my 2year old Choc Lab and 1year old Rottie,  my Lab he is such a gorgous soppy thing, he hasn't got a bit of aggression in him, but decided he wanted to get a little familiar with a girlie spaniel, we've met this couple and their dog once before and funnily enough my lab was interested in her then, i remember saying she must have her Channel on and laughed!!! Tonight the owners were not so friendly; The woman said nastily "I'm not having this dog of yours doing this to my dog"  (he tried but he didn't actually do anything) with that, the man got hold of my dogs collar and yanked him up in the air until he was standing on his hind legs, and gragged him about 10 metres on his hind legs and strangling him in the proccess, to me. He shouted very loudly to me in my face that he should be on a lead, I retaliated by saying loudly don't manhandle my dog, several times. 5 minutes after this happened my Lab was very sick infact 4 times, I am very upset with this man, to me this behavour in dogs is quite normal, this is what dogs do, and his dog wasn't on a lead either. Does anyone know if i can do anything about this, Is a stranger aloud to manhandle anyones dog in this way, my Lab is quite poorly tonight, I may have to take hime to the vet tomorrow.  Debbie

I wouldn't like to say what I'd do to anyone who did that to my dogs!!

All i can say is i'm glad my husband wasn't with me, he would of floored him!!!

He would have a reason to! It's like if someone tried to attack your 5 year old child , someone would get totally beat down by a 230lb linebacker!

Oh my god , call animal control! This woman had absolutely no right in doing this , if it were me i would have my wife kick the women in the teeth (i would never hit a women!). I was charged once for pushing a man down and kicking him on his side because of a similar issue. My oldest at the time was about 8 (12 now) and was infront of me walking on a small street , she sniffs the young mans leg and was trying to sniff what was in his hand (a sub) he did a little stand on his hind legs to reach. The man yelled out some naughty words and kicked bella in the chest and that's when i just lost control of myself.

Can't you alert the police , this seems like a criminal offence. Doggy assault!

I'm thinking about alerting the police, i don't think anyone should be aloud to do this, thks for your support!

Unfortunately I doubt that the police would do anything as the man could say that your dog was causing problems with their dog.  I'm not supporting the man's actions in any way, but this is how the police may see things.

I hope that your boy's OK and give him a big hug from me.

Thanks, you're probably right about the police, i just feel so frustrated about the whole thing, anyone would think he was ripping his head off! I' sure he will be find, he was just a little subdued out walking this morning. Debbie

Hi sorry to hear about the incident I would contact your local police station its only the price of a phone call,how on earth did you manage to restrain yourself and also if you have any idea where the gentleman lives , oops he is no gentleman tell the police everything that occured in my mind i think what you had to contend with was a actual verbal assault and also what he did to your dog was cruelty i would persue the matter. Good luck and a big hug for your dog
regards polly_45

Unless you have any witnesses, it will be his word against yours, so I doubt that anything will be done. Some people are so rude and cruel (I have only experienced this once) and I came home fuming so you must have been blowing lots of steam.
Hope you dog recovers well and is not too afraid to go out again.
Sarah

In the eyes of the law, your dog is your property, same as your car etc, so as long as you can prove it and know who they are then yes you can take action. Personally I would have ripped his head off for man handling my dog like that, there is no excuse. Would he do that to a child? However IMO maybe you should watch how interfering your Lab is, an oversexed dog following yours around is annoying, especially if the owner doesn't call him off. :) Not that I am excusing that man's behaviour, as you say your Lab was following his instincts, he wasn't aware he was being a pest. Good thing he has such a gentle nature, if he had tried that with one of my collies he would have lost an arm! Buy him a new toy for being so brave, I'm sure he will be fine, love him. :)

My bitch once met an Irish Setter at a local lake - up the fields they are allowed to be off lead so my bitch was and so was this setter who had a 'lampshade' on in the heat!  My bitch went over, waggy tail to say hi and the setter seemed quite uneasy and was whizzing around to get away from Thai so I called Thai to me and as she recalled the setter followed her and Thai gave a little grown (to which I said oi to) and followed me and OH.  Well the owner of this setter came up to my face requesting the breed of my dog to which I answer she is a Rottweiler ???? and he said ' that dog should be muzzled' so I asked why and said I know she growled but she has not harmed, bullied or worried your dog and she is under my control.  He insisted it was the law to have a rottweiler on a lead and muzzled in public, I cheekily added, on your planet maybe mate - well he was ranting and raving and going on and on so I asked why his dog was out in the heat with a lamp shade on as she was clearly sweating like crazy (Thai had just been swimming) and looked rather distressed - he said she had been bitten by a snaked (OMG) and the vet said she could be walked, I added that I didn't think it was wise to walk a dog out in a highly public area with a huge OPEN wound that could easily become infected - he obviously ignored my advice and decided he would start on my OH, the dogs by is point we just sat together - saying I had no control over my vicious dog bla bla bla, eventually I coaxed my oh away but at one point he stepped near Thai and I moved in front of her telling him to F off  the stupid fool, get some books and read up on animal care and the law!  I popped Thai on the lead and carried on - I was fuming though, just because she is a rottie he got the hump - his dog had something wrong with it that I feel Thai picked up on because she had always been fab with other dogs and 5 mins before had happily approached and played with a lab!

I know her growling at the dog (one small, 'ey whats going on' growl) would not have helped but I was first of all polite until he started reading me my right's - idiot!  Needless to say I have not been back to that lake again!

Well I have a Rottie too and he is a very good well behaved dog, and is totally under my control, i always let him off the lead over our field its good for them to socialize, he is very friendly and always goes to say hello to other dogs, it seems to me this idiot needs to read up about dog law, because there is no way i would muzzle my Rottie or keep him on a lead unless he was a danger to other people.  If it was my Rottie that this man last night manhandle and not my Lab, i'm not sure what he would of done so he was lucky, as it was my Rottie was very disturbed about what was going on, which was quite understandable, he was protecting me and his brother!!!

To be honest, I was a little scared of rotties until I saw 3 beauties in my park, they were so nice, I got one myself. Unfortunately, they have a really bad reputation and I don't know why, its a bit like staffies today. Once I can get her under control, I would have no hesitation in taking her off the lead, but at 4 months, she is a little too young and would run off and eat every thing. She loves other dogs and people too.

Dogs will be dogs and they are inquisitive, and most good owners have control of their dogs and if you call them, they will come back.

These people are just plain stupid, and need educating.

I have total control over my Rottie, he is the most obedient dog you could meet, but my Lab unfortunately has selective hearing, if he's engaged in something he wants to do, he somehow doesn't hear me, food, well that's a different story!!

The Rotties bad rep goes back to the 80's when a 12 year old girl was mauled to death by two of the breed when they were taken for a walk by their owners daughter and the girl.

At this time they were the hard dog to have like the Staffs and bullcrosses are now, so there were lots of them being bred and owned by idiots and dogs with poor temperaments to boot.  Actually says in the breeds standard, not aggressive.. 

Then it was the Pitbulls turn, and sadly because of some incidents with that breed/type the breed specific Dangerous Dogs Act was enacted. 

<< i always let him off the lead over our field its good for them to socialize, he is very friendly and always goes to say hello to other dogs >>

If you allowed your dog to approach mine then I wouldn't be very happy with you. I don't dislike Rotties, I actually think they are lovely but I am fed up with people allowing their dogs to run up and say hello to mine with the usual "It's ok he/she is friendly"   One of mine was attacked as a pup and has had a lot of over friendly dogs approach him and just get in his face so sometimes he can snap. I always put them all on the lead and make them wait when people we don't know approach then I get a mouthfull for asking them to call their dogs away. He is not a nasty dog and if introduced properly  and given time to get used to a stranger he is very friendly and will play like a puppy, he just finds it difficult to cope with. I have worked really hard with him and every time such an incident occurs it has an affect. I don't approve of the reaction of this person at all and I think his behaviour was completely OTT, if they had a problem with your dog being so friendly they should have said so the first time.  I would have been just as angry with you if your dog came running up to mine but it would be directed at you not your dog, you need to consider the other persons perspective.

Actually he's not an oversexed dog at all, it's just twice he's been a little familiar with this spanial, he's been castrated and has no interest in any other dogs at all, i can't understand what it is with this one. I meet with loads of other dog owners and their dogs and don't have a problem, very strange.  There's no excuse for being so cruel though, all he had to do was take hold of his collar and hold him for me. Debbie

Thanks, I don't know how i managed to restrain myself either, i think i was in shock, i couldn't beleive a dog owner could do that to someone elses dog.  He was a little subdued out walking this morning but i think he will be find, I'm just still fumming about the whole thing. Thanks for your support. Debbie 

Oh right, I just read it like he was getting frisky but obviously I misunderstood. You are a very calm person is all I can say Debbie, there is no way I would have someone doing that to my dog! I hope you are all ok, there are some idiots out there eh? ;)

I am sorry to hear of this incident and while this person's behavior was despicable and inexcusable, you must be prepared that if you are going to let your dog go up to strange dogs and strange owners these things may happen.  

Personally I would have ripped his head off too but I do not let my dogs go up to strange dogs or strange people unless I know them personally and I am sure that it is safe.

BTW, the police will not do anything unless you have independent witness's that will provide a statement.  If you were to make a complaint, then you may create a bigger problem for your dog.  What happens if he goes up to their dog again?  No police action can be a substitute for trauma and injury to your dog.

I sincerely hope he does not have any lasting effects from this and bounces back quickly.

Unfortunately dogs can still be interested in bitches after they've been done and having had a bitch who smelt "sexy" all the time I know how annoying it can be to have dogs that are very interested in them and it can be quite upsetting at times.

Saying that the man should not of reacted the way he did, but in the heat of the moment we can all do things that we regret and hopefully he did when he got home.

How is your boy today?  I hope he's OK. 

Hi Debbie
I'm sorry to hear about your horrible incident.  The man's reaction was totally unacceptable and over the top - thank goodness no damage was done.  But, could it be that if this has happened before and you have allowed it, he was pretty angry about it? - I would be too - that's not to excuse his behaviour, but I would be upset by someone who kept allowing their dog to do this to mine.  It may be normal behaviour, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable.  If my dog does this I pull him off and equally I expect other owners to do the same if theirs is doing it to mine - if they don't (as some do) I will pull them off myself.  Just a thought.

I have to agree, if the man did exactly what you say he did for the reasons stated then it may well be OTT.

However if, as has happened to me, a dog repeatedly accosts another after the owner has been frequently requested to keep their dog under control then I can, unfortunately understand it to a degree.

Not condoning his actions but IME the same incident related by the two parties concerned can often appear totally different................

I would have kicked him in the g***ies.  He would have soon let go then.

If your dog was not a danger to his, he had no right to do this.

their was a story once about a cocky women avoiding onto a street away from a dogo argentino and she got hit by a car. I wonder why people shy away from dogs just because of headlines :S

I wished i had now, i just cant forget it, i'm still upset tonight, Rolo is fine though thank goodness

Yes i agree, but get hold of his collar by all means, but not to drag him by the neck on in hind legs, absolutely OTT, unkind and uncalled for!!

While i don't condone that sort of behaviour I will say something to show the other side of the coin you may not be aware of.
I had a little Cavalier and a lovely friendly lab jumped on her back not actually mating but being playful.  She gave a tiny yelp and I thought no more of it and went on my way.  got home and my little dog could not jump onto her favourite chair.
to cut a long story short the friendly Lab had damaged her spine with his weight.  For the rest of her life she had severe problems and walking become a nightmare trying to keep owners to keep thier dogs away.  I got "Oh he/she is friendly"  "you shouldn't walk your dog then if you don't want others playing with her".
That one did rile me as she had every right to be walked as much as any dog.
I never resorted to hurting or grabbing anyones dog though, a few cross words with other owners and sometimes I had to pick my girl up out of harms way.
I had always had bigger dogs till her and her companion and have a bigger dog again now, but I am aware of the serious damage a big dogs weight can do to a little one, something I had never realised before.
No way would I let my bigger dog leap on or around a little dog now.
Please big dog owners bear this in mind, they don't have to be agressive to cause serious damage.

Bev

Hi bevb
I'm so sorry to hear about your girl and I agree totally with what you're saying.  I have a lab, have had them in the past, and always will have labs - I love them, but I'm fully aware that they can be boisterous and friendly to the point of being rude.  They are no lightweights either and, as you say, could injure a dog - in fact, the three times my boy has been hurt when playing with another dog the other dog has always been a chocolate lab .  Talking to a behaviourist some months ago, I was told that in over 40% of the dogs he was seeing for fear aggression the problem started with a lab being over boisterous and frightening them.  These labs usually are friendly with no aggressive bone in their body, but that doesn't mean it is percieved that way by the other dog (or the other owner, who may have many different reasons not to want another dog bounding up to theirs including a fearful dog, a recuperating dog, they may simply be trying to do some training and not want interference).
I don't condone in any what this man did - I too would be mad if someone did that to my dog, but I can't help feel that these so many of these situations would be avoided if people didn't let their offlead dogs run up to, and accost other dogs.

I am sick of people and there freindly dogs that say hello. Dogs dont say hello thats a human thing. It wouldnt be good for a rotty to run over a feild towards my two as I would feel intimidated and let my dogs go and the rotty would end up in a sorry state. So please use the grey matter folks. Just as I may not want to socialize with you my dog may not want to socialise with your dog.

I am sorry if this upsets the bleeding hearts but I am due consideration as well. If my dogs are on leads then people should keep theres away. They have no right to invade our space or assault/molest my dogs. If a dog tries to mount my bitch my male will have a good shot at trying to kill it. If I have to get involved in a dog fight because of a loose dog I certainly dont kick mine. This causes problems. If a human behaved towards humans like this the police would be called.

Why Oh Why Cant people understand that if I keep my dog on a lead and if I put it on a lead when I see someone coming that maybe just maybe there is a wee tiny problem and he may not be sociable.
If dog owners had the brains of there dogs wouldnt it be a wonderful world full of a lot more inteligent people.

I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to all dog owners that think there dog should be allowed to approach mine when mine are on lead and theirs arent. When I kick your dog 6 feet in the air I am sorry. This is preventative measures to stop your pet being mauled as my dogs dont say hello its more of an f### off than a hello.

If my dog gets a hold of yours then I am also sorry as I am trying to train my dog not to do this but your out of control (selective hearing means out of control) dog has just put all my hard work back a few steps so I am sorry that you have a dog and my training is being made harder.

If you think your dog has the right to do this then you can pick up the vet bill as you are allowing it to happen.

Lastly. When I walk my dog I walk them under the terms laid down by law.  The dog thats off lead whether on or near a road is termed as being out of control if it doesnt come back to the owner when called or causes a nuisance.
If I have to roll about in the dirt to split a dog fight that was instigated by a dog being loose then that dog is causing a nuisance.

>These labs usually are friendly with no aggressive bone in their body, but that doesn't mean it is percieved that way by the other dog (or the other owner, who may have many different reasons not to want another dog bounding up to theirs including a fearful dog, a recuperating dog, they may simply be trying to do some training and not want interference).

Absolutely, I agree 100%.  If an owner is prepared to let their dog run up to others and other people, I can fully understand why some will overreact primarily because they fed up trying to tell other owners to take control of their dog. 

I have 2 GSD's, they are not over friendly with other dogs, more aloof although they will tolerate them, if needs must.  I fail to see why they should be continuously harassed by other out of control dogs and stupid owners that have no sense.  On occasions, I have let Spender off the lead when silly dogs come running up and tripping me up or interrupting a training session.  The usual saying is 'he's friendly, he just wants to play'.  Well Spender doesn't, he chases them off and they run back to their owners tucking their bottoms in.  He is not an aggressive dog, a big softy really but he will teach manners and he can handle himself if he has too. 

I'm sorry about your bad experience you had with your little cavalier, i do understand what you are saying, i am aware that Labs can be over friendly and their weight can be a problem with little dogs, I am a considerate friendly person myself, and i love all dogs, but i would not dream of manhandling anyones dog in the way mine was, i really don't think anyone would of tolerated this mans behaviour and cruelty they certainly wouldn't of done if i had treated their dog in that way, the owners only had to say on my first meeting round the lakes "would you mind keeping your dog away from mine" i would of respected that without a problem at all, and actually the dog owners were being quite friendly themselves, after all my Lab was only sniffing at first, and he had every right to be off the lead as much as their dog was. But thanks for your comments. Debbie   

Not wishing to make excuses for the guys behaviour but he may be fed up to the back teeth with this happening and over reacted.

Then he should of said that to me if that was the case, no one manhandles my dog!

>> no one manhandles my dog!

I am sorry that the gentleman handled your dog in such a manner and won't condone excessive force, but I can very easily see this from his point of view. What were you doing when you dog was pestering theirs? Were you running over, apologising for him causing a problem - or were you standing there saying 'oh its ok - he's friendly'??

>>I am very upset with this man, to me this behavour in dogs is quite normal, this is what dogs do

It may be what dogs do, but it is not acceptable behaviour! If your dog is causing a nuisance you should remove him from the situation and preferably not allow him to get into the situation in the first place. It is common courtesy not to allow your dog to pester others. If a dog came over and pestered mine I would certainly ask for the owner to come and get their dogs away and if they didn't I would remove the dog myself. I was gobsmaked the other day when walking mine - we saw a couple with two labs OTL coming towards us, so I moved off the path, got my bitch watching me so I had her full attention and then as the couple came up (we have seen them before, not to talk to though other than polite greetings) the woman said 'Oh go on, be brave, let them play' - I was astounded - I had already told her that my bitch isn't keen on all other dogs, black labs especially (since she was attacked by a black staffxlab). I just looked at her in disbelief. They then walked past muttering about people that kept their dogs on leads and didn't let them play with others - I was honestly speechless. Though I must say another lady we met that morning impressed me - she had a 9 month old lab bitch and as soon as she saw ours were on leads she put her dog on its its lead explaining that she does sometimes bound over to strange dogs, so she always puts her on a lead when she sees others on them as she doesn't want her pup to bother the other dogs. We had a lovely conversation and she was a very sensible owner.

Then he should of said something to me if that was the case, no one manhandles my dog, if he over reacted he should control himself!!

Classic case of selfishness you want everybody to see it your way and not for a minute wanting to see it from the other persons point of veiw. In this world humans have the right not to have dogs interfere in their life. You dont want your dog treated this way keep it away from others.

you also say nobody treats your dog like this well you are wrong this GENTLEMAN did I would have sunk the boot in it hard.

Then i would of sunk the boot into you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes Debbie and I would have jailed you for assault and laugh at you in court for being as stupid as your dog.

>Classic case of selfishness you want everybody to see it your way and not for a minute wanting to see it from the other persons point of veiw.

Pots and kettles spring to mind here.
:)

Hello Jean I will listen to the other side and lose my selfish attitude (I wasnt always like this) when others start to consider me. I know that others do consider me but they are the minority and in this democratic ha ha society majority rules. As the majority are ignorant/selfish/or whatever then so am I.

It doesnt make it right. It makes it a lot easier for me though.

I am genuinely saddened that this is the way it has to be.

>I will listen to the other side and lose my selfish attitude (I wasnt always like this) when others start to consider me.

Someone has to make the first move - why does everyone assume it has to be the other person? That's stalemate and nothing improves. Why not be brave, take the bull by the horns, and set an example?

Hello Debbie. Just to point out that the guy doesnt have to say anything to you. If you want to allow your dog to play with others then you should ask. The man deserves the right not to be invaded by you or your dog.

From Debbies post above its funny how its not the aggressive dog owner being aggressive but the other way around.

Once someone resorts to threatning humans there isnt much point in holding a discussion as it is usually a sign of being none to bright.

I wont speak to you again Debbie Goodbye.

Ps Im 6 foot Im a registered doorman Im trained in self defence and I would find you hilariously funny.

Ps Im 6 foot Im a registered doorman Im trained in self defence and I would find you hilariously funny.

What on earth are you on about?? why did she need to know that? Seems to me that you can say what you like to who you like and then 'I wont speak to you again Debbie Goodbye' as you have said your piece and that is all that matters. This is a disscussion forum not a 'what Mr Murph says goes' forum!

I too believe this man was OTT and could have delt with it alot better. But maybe I can understand that he didnt want his dog to be mounted for a reason.... been injured before maybe? who knows, but yes, it could have been handled better.

"Ps Im 6 foot Im a registered doorman Im trained in self defence and I would find you hilariously funny.  "
Well Mr Murph, goodness gracious arent we all SOOOO impressed to hear that ..... it must have taken years of training to get so far in life.

6ft tall and 2 inches in the trousers dept :-D

Sorry Mr Purvy for insulting you but really as a chap speaking like that to a lady is just rude.
Best get your teddy and go back to your pram and have your nappy changed.

Regards
Stu (only 4ft but a gentleman)

Hello Stu.
I dont remember threatning anyone. as far as I know it was me thats to be kicked and I said that as I am big a doorman who faces neds with weapons at the weekends and trained in self defence that I would laugh at the lady in question.

Now as to having a personal go at me when you dont know whats in my trousers. I could have my balls removed due to a cancer operation but you wouldnt have thought of that would you. You just open your big mouth and blot out the sun.
These kind of attacks on people usually mirror your own shortcomings and show a complete lack of ability to say something constructive.
Just another little imaterial person that whos opinion doesnt count.