Can anyone help me find a breeder of old english type german shepherds, long coats especially. My e mail address is beltane_gsd@yahoo.co.uk

Not quite sure what you mean but I presume you mean the dogs that were fashionable in the late 50's early 60's short legged & long bodied?

There are a few breeders who still breed this type-don't know about the long coat as this is totally incorrect for then or now

Roy Brandon from near Doncaster still breeds this type

I'm not recommending them as I've never had a puppy from him but I know that he is a UK club member

Firstly the old english type of GSD Ias far as I am aware) is the level backed type (as required by the UK breed standard) and not the hump backed type that seems fashionable today which I believe is refered to as the Germanic type. The breed standard does not discriminate against long coats as there is no coat length specificed. Only that the coat should be longer in specific places. Therefore it is not 'incorrect'.

Hi Bec
Didn't know you GSD's(visitor was asking about alsatiansin the title & then called them GSD's most confusing GSD's) Do you work them or show them
Have just read KC GSD breed standard where coats longer than 1 1/2 inches are shown as breed fault except on mane tail & breeches Is this the wrong standard it's the same as the FCI one I've read some books on GSd's & as Long coats don't have proper undercoats they are not suitable as working dogs Is this right? I've never had a long coat so don't know myself

What is a hump backed GSD?

I've seen some really over angulated long backed short legged ones that got BIS & bitch CC at a show but not with "turnip backs!
Strange that the internationally acknowledged type is only correct everwhere but in the UK
Only here as they called Germanic could that be because they're German?
I look forward to seeing your GSD's what bloodlines do you have?
Mine were Brittas(from Gwen Barrington's imports from Germany) & from German imports I owned myself & not a hump to be seem! I did Obedience & breed & was successful in both with mine
You seem to know a lot about GSD's Sp you must have had them a long time?

Hi Bec

Didn't know you had Alsatians(visitor was asking about aslsatians not GSD's) Do you work them or just show?

Have just read KC GSd breed standard where coats longer than 1 1/2 inches are shown as breed fault except on mane tail & breeches

What is a turnip backed GSd?

I've seen some really over angulated long backed short legged ones that got BIS & bitch CC at a show but not with "turnip backs!

Strange that the internationally acknowledged type is only correct everwhere but in the Uk

Only here are they called Germanic could that be because they're German?

I look forward to seeing your GSD's what bloodlines do you have?

Mine were Brittas(from Gwen Barrington's imports from Germany) & from German imports I owned myself & not a turnip to be seem!
I did both Obedience & Working Trials & showed mine & they were successful in working & showing

Hi Deejay.
I don't actually own a GSD (yet) Aren't GSD's and Alsations the same thing? I have studied the bred for some time now but I wouldn't say I know much about them other than that I have already said! I must re-read the standard as I thought it had changed! When I refer to 'hump' backed dogs I mean the ones that are curved not straight and this is the type refered to as Germanic. I am very much looking for a straight backed GSD preferably to work, track etc but have yet to find one. I don't want a long coated one though. I've groomed a few in my time and don't want to have to do that every day!
Mandy is the one who has owned and bred GSD's before I'll try to persuade her to come along!
Bec

Alsation & GSD are the same dog. It's just that after the war, people didn't want anything to do with German so changed the name to Alsation, but has now been changed back and should be called GSD again. I hate the name Alsation so I never have and never will call them that.

I know what you mean about long haired GSD's. We have had a couple of longhaired and presently have a semi-longhaired and every time he moves hair falls from him. No matter how much you groom them, they always manage to moult more hair :) Although, having said that, the short hairs tend to weave into the carpet and you can't hoover the buggers up!

That's interesting - When I lived in Canada we called Short-haird German Shepherds - well, German Shepherds, and the long haired ones Alsatians. I don't know if that is the official breed thing, or just what they were called in our area. Funny how it differs from place to place.

Wendy

To avoid any confusion the alsatian and the GSD are the same dog. The name alsatian was the name given to the breed in the uk when it was first introduced
because it was felt that the recent history between Germany and England would not not help the breed in the uk if it was to have its correct title of the German Shepherd Dog. But as time passed it was decided to use the correct title.
Incidently the breed was first known in Britain as the Alsatian Wolf dog, but this was soon dropped because the Wolf part in the name created problems.
The question of the roached back. This is how the GSD is being bred unfortunately. I actually at this time live in Germany even though I'm British and the dogs I am seeing have this very sloped back. It is not surprising that is also the case in the UK as the German Lines were and as far as I am still aware very much in demand.
If you are after the more traditional type straight back and big boned, there are
breeders in the UK and one of them advertise in the Dog Mags, I think Dogs Today.
as breeding this type. I personally prefer this type and think that a breed renown for hip problems is wrong to start breeding this back. But I am sure that people will disagree. I own a traditional looking 7 year old male, that both in the uk and Germany I've been stopped and complimented on his traditional look.
I would think to find a more traditional look you may not find it in the show lines.

Beccy

http://www.gsdhelpline.freeserve.co.uk/ages.htm
Check this out has been posted before. Its the 1930's I'm after!
Bec

Hi everyone,

I do know of a few breeders in Scotland breeding the old fashioned type of Shepherd, but some of the lines carry health defects ( contact me privately for details).
Hardly anyone breeding this type hip score, blood test etc, which I think is so wrong. I currently have a white long coat from British lines, very heavy boned, very gorgeous, but only 4 months old, so I have a long wait till I can hip score him, very worried and anxious.
These are the chances you have to take with the old fashioned types, I am looking for a bitch pup with a view to breeding one day after doing all necessary health tests, and breeding for health as well as looks.
If anyone knows of any responsible breeders with British lines please let me know.