My pedigree Irish Wolfhound and Pedigree Scottish Deerhound have had 3 puppies (st litter).   At first they were to go to members of the family but through changes in circumstances that isn't possible now and we cannot keep them as much as I'd like to.   What do we call them?   Irish Wolfound history suggests that they are Irish Wolfhounds but I am not Captain George Graham so I'm not sure.   With both parents being pedigee, will I be able to register them.   My initial enquiry was met by a very unhelpful response from the KC so I just wanted someone elses opinion on this matter before i go ahead.
Thanking in anticipation, anyone who cares to respond.

They are just crossbreeds and so they cannot be registered as pedigree puppies. They can be registered on the working trials/obedience register, but that's really only of use to anyone who wishes to compete seriously in obedience or similar with their dog -any dog not able to be registered can go on this register including mongrels.

Marianne

Hi

As they are both two differant pedigree breeds you will not be able to register them with the kennel club, the kennel club only register purebred dogs not crossbreeds or mongrels and this is what they would be classed as, sorry.

Nikki

They are crossbreds!!!  No they can't be KC registered, unless they end up as working dogs etc. but they still would not be pedigrees.

Mongrels ;-)

It is not true that the K.C. only register purebreeds or else the Irish Wolfhound would have died out as a breed.   Thank you for you help though, you were not condescending or righteous with your reply.
Regards, Jenny

I'm sorry, but you've been misinformed. It's quite clear on the KC's website that, for a litter to be registered on the breed register, not only must both parents be KC registered, they must also be of the same breed as each other:

"The Kennel Club breed register is only available to those puppies where the sire and dam are in, or have been transferred to the registered ownership of the owner of the dog. And as long as you have mated him or her with a dog of the same breed which is also Kennel Club registered."
:)

You have three no doubt delightful crossbred puppies. The KC will not register them on the breed register, because not only do both parents have to be registered, they also have to be the same breed! ;)

Not only do you have three no doubt delightful crossbreed puppies, you also have three potentially VERY big problems in a couple of months if you can't find responsible, knowledgeable homes for them.I would contact both Wolfhound and Deerhound rescue to see if they are able to find the sort of homes these pups will need. And don't expect to make much, if any money from a litter of mongrels.

As the others have said your pups are cross breeds...nothing more nothing less.I hope this was a one off as deliberately breeding crosses is very irresponsible
Archer

Crossbreeds and accidents I would hope.  I suggest if you cannot keep them apart when the bitch is in season then you have her or the dog neutered, there are enough pups in rescue homes looking for homes, and as you ahve foudn the people who say Oh I woudl love a pup when you ahve one fade away.  A dog is a long term commitment longer than many marriages, and homes for large sight hounds do not come up that easily..

What worried me was the (1st litter) bit, implying there would be more.

Why cross these 2 wonderfull breeds. If you wanted to breed it might have been better to go for 1 breed or the other. As its been said all you have is a crossbreed.
Goodluck with your pups in anycase. Sure they are lovely and hope you find them good homes.

Maybe it was an accident, but i wouldnt call them anything apart from crossbreeds, it isnt fair on the people who will buy the pups, i think you should just be honest.
good luck
Sarah
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As both parents are hounds aren't the puppies lurchers rather than mongrels? Doesn't make it any more sensible to breed them but at least they can be advertised as lurchers and hopefully attract a hound buyer. Please be aware that you have to explain to any potential owners what large hounds are like, better to put people off than have one returned as a yearling after chasing the local farmers sheep!

According to the dictionary lurchers need one parent to be of a pastoral/herding breed, not two hound breeds.

Bedlington/greyhound hasn't got pastoral breeding!  Common lurcher cross!

Jo and the Casblaidd Flatcoats

I beleive sight houns to sighthound crosses are termed longdogs, adn that it needs to be another breed than sight hound to be a Lurcher, though Colie Greyhound was the traditional mix.

What is wrong with all you people. An answer of , sorry they are crossbreeds and not able to be registered, would have been sufficient. instead you give this lady heaps of comments with bloody !!!!! at the end. Did you not read the posts before you posted and seen that others had reacted in the same way? you think you are educating people, you are turning people away who need help as they cant get a response without some kind of lecture. no one is here for that. If you want to educate and help people, be considerate and dont come accross as some holyier than thou perfect dog breeder.

Step off the high horses guys and start helping people like you claim to want to be doing
Jodi

Krankypuss,
Loved your reply...well done you... as I can see what you mean... these pups are here, and now they need a home.... I am sure the owner is fully aware what they will be like... what the responses from others do is give the dog breeding world a snobby imagine and I am sure no one wants that now do they ?

Nobody was "snobby" the OP asked what they were and the question was answered. The "snobby" attitude was adopted once Krankypuss came along and read something that wasnt there. These puppies are crossbreeds and cannot be registered - that is fact, and no-one was being nasty by saying so.

And as a P.S. the original poster then came back and argued the point that they could be registered, even though she had been told by the KC that they couldnt. So she thinks that by inventing a name she can register them. What on earth do you expect peoples reaction to be?

Hooray for someone to be honest and realise that just because these pups aren't pedigrees it doesn't make them inferior dogs!!!!!!!!

no-one for a minute says they are, it soes not mean it was responsible to breed them.

Think they are Longdogs
Cross between 2 sight hounds

Anne

I will add that there were some decent people who just answered this persons question without acting like i before mentioned..

indeed, I stand corrected, they are longdogs....although best in show at our local lurcher show this summer was a greyhound/deerhound cross?

...feel I have to comment on how apt some peoples usernames are too :)

Oh yes :D :D :D One word answers from now on, no chatting allowed ;)

Yep ask anyone who knows me well and they will tell you mine suits me well :D

I thought a lurcher had greyhound in it.

A greyhound is a sight hound. It doesn't have to be a greyhound in particular, just one of the sighthound breeds.

I for one find this an interesting subject, why shouldn't things be added which still fit into the subject.  I didn't know half of this and to honest I wouldn't of even bothered to look into it, but now people have detailed things I really do find it interesting and maybe the original poster would too.

The OP's question has been answered and I for one dont see anything wrong in the discussion which has followed - as you say it is interesting and informative, not to mention polite. 

I am not one to disuade a decent conversation, however you guys must admit,(for surely you see it) that a lot of people get jumped on when they come on here asking for advise. The subjext soon gets off track and you find yourselves in the age old arguement of purebreed versus crossbreeds. Some people on here are plain old rude and obnoxious and like I said that affects people when they ask for help. Nothing wrong with having a dicussions and getting peoples opinions, why not start a forum for that instead on jumping on someone who asks for advise and given comments like they are a three year old....commitment is longer than marriage....accidents i would hope.....People dont need to hear that, not here where they are coming for advice and genuinely want some help. You can get your point accross without comments of that nature. Look in most of the forums and you find comments worse than this. You find some people being so rude to others.

I have deliberately kept off this topic until now Krankypuss, because I had nothing charitable to say to the OP.   However, your comments do make me feel the need to defend us "oldies" on the board.

We've been here for so long that we can "sniff out", if you like, a covert advert for puppies.   These "accidental" matings happen all too often sadly, and personally I feel that the more responses these postings get, the more advertising these people get.   Of course the poster knows what she has - or thinks she has - she has puppies that she wants to offload (note that originally her family were going to have the puppies, but now, due to othe commitments they can't have them - just how often do you think that excuse has been seen on here?

This sort of research should have been done BEFORE puppies were born.

Margot

I don't want to offload the puppies!   I would prefer to keep them.   My son and daughter in law wanted one, my daughter wanted one and a very close friend wanted one and may still have one.   However, I am happy to say that my son is looking forward to fatherhood and they feel they now want to concentrate on a baby rather than a puppy and my daughter has just moved  and where she now lives will not allow pets so she'd have to wait 2 years before she could take the, then dog and it wouldn't be fair on the animal to have such an upheaval when it could have a permanent home from the begining.   The reason for stating 1st litter was to explain why there were so few puppies!   I do not consider myself to be in any way thoughtless and you shouldn't assume people are out ot make money, or is that something you would do?   I don't really believe I have to justify myself but don't always think the worst of folk, there are still decent people in this world and some of us have dogs.   All I wanted to know is what they would be called!   Do you also no think that I know what it's like to own 2 big dogs?   I didn't borrow them!
Thanks, Jenny

>All I wanted to know is what they would be called!

And we have all confirmed what I'm sure the KC told you originally - they're crossbreeds.

>Can someone tell me how I suddenly became an irresponsible monster when no one knows me, my circumstances or my animals?

We could only go by the information you gave us in your original post. I'm sure you're unaware of how very many people write very similar posts, and they admit they simply want to make as much money as possible from their pups.
:)

Your bitch has had a litter therefore YOU ARE A BREEDER.

I am afraid that you are under some profound misapprehension when you throught a first litter would be small (one of my first time Mums, the smallest of mine had 9 pups and they are only a collie size breed). 

Both the breeds involved in your cross can have huge litters of 10 plus puppies, and you have been extremely fortunate to have only 3. 

What measures had you taken to find homes for the extra pups over what your family had wanted?

Many people in the breeds involved only have a litter every few years when they want to keep a pup for themselves and have a full order book for pups.  Even then when they have too many of one sex they are often left with pups that need training for months after they are at the best age to be in new homes. 

In some sight hound breeds responsible breeders will put to sleep excess puppies as they cannot be assured of finding knowledgeable permenent homes.  For those who like sight hounds there are hundreds of Ex racers competing for the homes available, so a large cross bred sight hound will not be an easy proposition to home.

>The reason for stating 1st litter was to explain why there were so few puppies!

One of my bitches had 10 puppies in her first litter. Litter size depends a) on the amount of eggs shed by the bitch and b) how close to the optimum time the mating took place.

Irish wolfhound litters range from 1 to 12 pups (though small numbers are more usual); deerhounds can have as many as 17.

You don't have to be Charitible.   Do you always have an ulterior motive?   If I couldn't help someone who asked for Help and advice, I would be Ashamed!
Thanks, Jenny

You will find that no one approves of irresponsible breeding. 

There was no good reason for these pups to be bred, they were not bred to improve or maintain a breed or line. 

They were not bred as working dogs for a specific purpose. 

Worst of all now someone will have to help find them homes, the breeder has been responsible for causing a problem for themselves.

The poor innocent pups may end up going from pillar to post as large sight hounds are not the easiest breed to find Pet homes for.

I am saddened and not surprised that someone woudl take so little care about bringing innocent lives into the world, don't know why because this is just the manner that many human babies enter the world :(

So yes the most charitable thing I could think woudl be that they were an accident, and it is only right to remind the breeder that dogs are a lifelong commitment, as commitment seems so rare in this modern time.

God that makes me sound old, and I am only a child of the sixties

You & me both, kiddo :D :D :D

Margot

Krankypuss, this thread hasn't gone off track - it's stayed answering the OP's original question (and incidentally confirming that the response received from the KC was correct - the pups cannot be registered as their parents were of different breeds; they can only be advertised as crossbreeds). The discussion then went to what else they could be called - not lurchers, because they are the wrong cross, but possibly longdogs. All this is still answering the OP's question. Politely.

However, this post can also be seen as a more subtle litter advertisement, which is against the TOS.

I would also point out that it was Poster's one and only post!

Margot

Good point. Not even a "Drat! The KC was telling the truth!"

I'm going to get shot down for this, but are we supposed to turn into the other chat groups where they think that as long as you have "cutesy ickle puppies" that we shouldn't worry and that it didn't matter that THREE members of a family decided against having pups?  I find it very strange that all 3 family members circumstances changed so drastically in 4 - 5 months.

I'm not getting at you Jenny and I hope that you find new homes, but this is why all of us keep on saying that having a litter needs to be thoroughly looked into.

How often do we have to repeat that this is not a "fluffy furbaby" site??? :rolleyes:

Margot

Exactly Perro,

The reason most people are glad to find this forum is because of the depth of knowledge and experience the members have, and the fact that they are willing to tell it as it is.  Fluffy, cutesy and lovely is all very well, but it doesn't keep the dogs out of rescue ;)

When I bred a litter a family member suddenly developed an all consuming desire for a pup of my breed, they're all sold says I (and happily they were :) )  they were most put out but they wouldn't have got one of them anyway, they had trouble coping with a kitten!  Heaven help them toilet training a pup!! and exercise???   I'm sure that by the time the pup was ready to leave home their 'circumstances' would have changed too ;)

Hi Jenny
I have sent you a private message. All the best with your pup's.
Susan

i don't know what it is but thank you.   May I re-iterate my prevoius message:- If I could, I would keep them all and may do if no-one suitable wants them.   Can someone tell me how I suddenly became an irresponsible monster when no one knows me, my circumstances or my animals?
Thanks, Jenny