Why do people have to lie? My neighbour purchased a cavalier king charles tri-colour on Sunday she had previously saw her and commented on the slight tan colours on muzzle and paws and was told it was staining from the meat When picked up the marks were still there but again said it was from meat. She had her first injection and vet commented on colour so contacted breeder again and now she admitted the dad is infact a blenheim. She said i will not knock any money off the price just return the dog if your not happy puppy is great its the lies in the first place. Anyway pup is away back money returned (they are good to their dogs) now turns out pup can't be registered due to irish dogs papers or something when she promised to send them on. So now one upset lady missing puppy but had to go back to prove a point why are some people like that?

Because they are only interested in producing puppies to make money bailey. :( 
It's why we all keep bashing away on this site about Kennel Club registrations, health testing etc and do our best to encouraging responsible breeding - please or offend! ;)
Do suggest that your neighbour contacts one of the Cavalier Breed Clubs to be guided to a responsible breeder.
Every pet owner deserves to have a happy, healthy dog that is a good representative of its breed. If it isn't up to the breed standard, then the breeder should be knowledgable and honest enough to advise the purchaser accordingly before they agree to take the puppy.

so can i assume the mother was a tri...... ? this sounds awful for a breeder to pretend its meat !!!!!!!!! and to expect a buyer to believe it as well .and papers  from Ireland  it just gets worse and worse...........

I really feel sorry for that person who bought the puppy it's such a shame.  The breeder should have just told her about the colouring on the dogs feet, just aswell she took the puppy back as the plot was getting thicker.  The sad thing is someone else will walk away with it and realise to late that their being taken for a ride.

Warm regards Susan

Yes it is a shame for the people who purchased the puppy but I also feel really sorry for the poor puppy. The upset of leaving one place to stay in another and then throu no fault of it's own returned back so yet another upset for the wee soul, what ever must it be thinking.

Margaret

How about contacting trading standards - they might be interested as the dog is advertised as something which is false.

Call me thick if you like :) but I don't understand what the disagreement about colour was?? A tri-colour DOES have tan markings, and there is nothing wrong or unusual in a tri Cavalier having a Blenheim father. ?? This is what the breed standard says of tris:
Tricolour: black and white well spaced, broken up, with tan markings over eyes, cheeks, inside ears, inside legs, and on underside of tail.

Marianne

Hi,
There ought to be a way that bad breeders! those who lie even if the are well known.
Should be named and shamed in a K.C. Mag. or doggy mag.
Letting them put there side and let us judge if they are telling the truth a!!!
A lot of good Breeders go on recomendation, and there are still a lot of them!!
Regards
Denese

This sounds to me simply like a mismarked tri colour which do occur even from the best of marked parents, in fact I have seen a well known breeder being placed with a similarly marked dog

colouring shoudn't always be a top issue but telling lies is certainly a sign of a dodgy breeder.....these things can happen it happend to me once when i bred a litter of rubies....one of the pups had a white chest and chin and throw back from a GGG blenheim grandfather ....and guess which pup was picked out first against his solid colour litter mates .:)

Its the same with dalmatians the patched ones are nearly always the first to go because they are different. :)  I dont know anything about cavaliers but I have nearly always had one patch puppy.

Why did she return it if she was going to miss it? Nothing wrong with a tricolour with a blenheim parent, the mismarking can happen whatever colour the parents are. If she doesn't want it to show no need to worry. Even if she does want it to show a slight mismarking isn't the end of the world!

agree with you Lucy I have to say when buying my first girl I saw her at 2 weeks but again at 8 it was obveous she was going to loose her white blaze ( tri colour ) but we were already in love with her ....her markings didn't bother us as we were not planning to show ......as it happened she produced a super Blenheim 3 years later

Even breeders who are highly respected within the breed can be economical with the truth.
We were offered a 6-7 month old pup by one such breeder who told us that, although she had planned to show him, his bite wasn't right so she wanted a good pet home for him. We had no problem with this.  However when we took the pup for his first vet check we discovered that both his knees were dislocated. 
We did find it hard to believe that an experienced, well respected breeder hadn't noticed this, especially as patella luxation wasn't exactly a rarity in the breed.

Being a good breed involves doing everything possible in your power to prevent these things happening.. BUT DOGS are living creatures and you cannot guarantee 100% perfectly formed puppies .  The being a good breeder is how they helped after you found out and what steps they put in place to ensure it didn't happen again. Because the produced this puppy doesn't make them a bad breeder unless they knew and tried to pass it off.

If they took the time to point out the mouth I would be suprised they intentionally hid the knees.

How do you know she intentionally hid it from you?

PS my post was to tyby's comments not the colour of the puppy.

The pup had already been vaccinated when we picked him up so the breeder had obviously taken him to a vet.  I'd be very surprised if the vet hadn't checked his knees as this was the first thing our vet did, knowing that patella luxation can be a problem in Toy breeds. Also, once the vet pointed it out to us, we could tell by the pup's gait that he wasn't walking right.  Taking both these factors into account made me suspicious that an experienced, respected breeder wouldn't have known about the problem.
I suspect she mentioned the bite because that was the reason she couldn't show him whereas the knee problem wouldn't have been an issue.

As to what did I do about it - when I rang the breeder she offered to have him back or refund our money.  As I don't believe in returning pups like I would a damaged fridge or TV there was no question of giving him back.  But the refund never materialised.......

I suppose the price you paid for the puppy was less than a "normal" price for the breed.

So "she offered to have him back or refund our money." 
There must be a misunderstanding now! If the breeder has the dog back he/she refunds the money. If the new owners decide to keep the dog why should the breeder pay for it?

No misunderstanding.  She said we could either return the pup or we could keep him and she would give us our money back - i.e. we could have him for free (to be fair I think her main priority was finding a good home).  But, as I said, we didn't receive the money and I was left feeling I'd been misled.

what did you do about it tyby ?

inca - for my reply to your point see above (appeared slightly out of order :) )