Hi all

Not sure if this is on the right board, but its focused on a show dog so what the hey.

I've a dog coming to me from abroad for a couple of weeks, with the sole purpose for him to attend some shows with him on behalf of his owner.  He's double titled at the moment.

The idea being that she wants to test the water with him, with a view to sending him back to me next year for a title campaign, to collect his third title.

Neither of us really have any experience of doing this before, so we'd appreciate some advice on drawing up an agreement between us - good friendships are all well and good but they can go sour very quickly if something goes wrong and neither party knows who should be responsible. We'd like it all covered and in writing if possible, so both parties know where they stand if something goes wrong.  He is obviously insured in his own country, but we can't seem to get a definite answer as to whether this policy extends to 'abroad'.  Is it possible to get a 'temporary' policy for me to cover him while he is here? Or do insurance companies only want a min-12 month signup?

So far I've paid all his entries, and will obviously provide board etc for him, and his owner is putting up his flight costs etc.  When he returns next year I will also have free stud use from him on my own bitches, should I choose to do so....and she would also like him to be used on other bitches in the breed to pay his way while he is here.

All advice/pointers etc will be extrememly gratefully received

I wouldn't know anything about this at all, but it really saddens me when dogs are viewed as objects and are shipped around the world by their pot hunting owners, and are expected to 'pay for themselves'. Poor little chap.

No doubt I'll be in trouble for saying that now..............

It's not only pot hunting owners Husky, If he is an exceptionally good dog ,it is a great opportunity for breeders over here to use him with their bitches, on a numericaly small breed it can widen the gene pool greatly.

He is hardly being shipped around the world. :-) one flight over and I guess he will be looked after my a loving caring foster parent for his stay here. If he has ladies calling I bet he will be happy to the world ;-)

I would imagine a few men would love this vacation :-D 

No trouble not at all.  You're very entitled to your opnion.

I shouldn't have to explain, but I will for your benefit.

He's not being 'shipped around the world'.  His owner lives on the European continent, and can compete in several countries within a realistic drive of their home town.  Hence why he is already carrying two seperate titles.

His owner is good friend of mine, and has always been very helpful to me and interested in following this breed in this country.  The little lad in question is a charming little chap, and much loved and admired by many people.  He will live here with me, in my home, as one of my own...and will no doubt take his space on my bed at night-time too, amongst my own dogs...what a sorry state for an 'object' to be in.

The fact that he is of exceptional quality, and can bring a much needed injection of superb conformation, and totally new bloodlines, to what is a terribly small breed in this country ,which will soon flounder without such an injection, is by the by.  And considering his aforementioned quality, and the attributes he can bring to the breed over here, his owner should not be criticised for hoping that he may 'pay his way' with selected bitches, in what for the owner will be a very expensive venture, which is being done mainly to benefit *our* breed in *our* country.  If the owner was a 'pot hunter' there are many more countries, closer to their home, that they could be trawling for titles.

Hope this clarifies the reasoning why this dog will take the relatively short flight over here, sometime soon.

Hopefully some-one will be able to advise of a sensible agreement that we can draw up between us :)

good luck anyway ,what breed is he ?

Count to ten :-) why not contact some of the big kennels who you can see if the catalogues have joint ownership dogs and dogs over showing.

What you have to do it sit down and list what you want from the agreement and what you do not want from it.

All costs, liabilities, who gets what off the studs etc..

I had one bloke from America.He wanted to send his bitch over to mate with my boy.
I wouldnt even consider it.
She would have had to go in quarantine.
No way would I let any bitch go through that to be mated.
Dog

With sensible, long term planning, quarantine can be avoided. I'm 99.9% certain that even the USA now has a pet passport scheme. I am sure to be corrected if I'm mistaken.

Dawn R.

i bought over a fcr from sweden last years we did draw up a contract between me and the owner of the dog,plus i reg him with the kennel club to get his atc number not as a import beacuse he was going back tio sweden,
i sdid insure him with a well know supermaket dog insure but got it active two weeks before he arrive in the uk and did it as a monthly payment and cancell it the month he went back,he insuren in his country is not vaild.
i paid for his flight,food,insurce,show fees, for a return of a stud fee,in the end he cost me over £1000,00 AND I ONLY GOT 1 PUPPIY OUT OF THE LITTER.

I am also doing this although it looks like "my" dog is going to be here long-term, well hopefully :d

Like Terri I paid for him to come over, was going to arrange his ATC number but then had an agreement with his breeder that he would be put under both our names in both countries at my address.  Also like Terri needs to be insured etc. over here and I pay for that.  Have also had the tests done over here that our Breed Club recommends and I've paid for that also.

If he's a good example of the breed I'd go for it.  I'm happy with what's been produced by Antonio and my dog so far this year, although one litter are only a week old :d

Yes you can import from America now under the Pet Passport, we did this last year.

Lynn

We had a dog over from Poland for 12 months, 3 years ago.  He was with us Crufts to Crufts, Mike showed him for the year, and he produced some lovely pups both for us and some other people we allowed to use.  He gained his UK title over here (and his Int).  Everything was just sorted out by letter and email agreement before-hand, rather than a formal contract, as we couldnt honestly see the possibility of persuing someone for breach of contract internationally!  However, when someone wanted to lease Dexter some years back we did have a proper contract drawn up, as he was meant to go the the USA (hoem of litigation!)  but we decdided we coudl not bear to let him go in the end.
bye
Gwen