please help solve a dispute,my friend has just said the person she bought her dog from is breedind the mum again even though her last litter are only 5 months old i dont think this is right but she insist the kennel club has relaxed its rules and registration of another litter so soon will be accepted? please end this discusion soon with some answers before i go mad. thanks.

It isn't usually the done thing back to back matings,but providing the bitch is in good health it should be ok.Personally i wouldn't do a back to back mating but thats just me.The kennel club will register the pups providing everything is in order.Date of whelping and mating coinside.

That's absolutely shocking!!!  I thought you could only have 1 litter a year.  Poor dog, she must be knackered!!!

Annie

I think you used to only be allowed one litter a year but then a load of "hobby" breeders moaned and it got changed back to as many as you want and the KC dont care they just keep taking the money for the registration fees :-( :-(

That's appalling!!  And the "hobby" breeders are the ones that are churning out all these dogs with iffy temperaments and getting breeds a bad name.  Well, the KC have a lot to answer for IMO.

Annie

It was also the case that it created alot more paper work for the KC as they introduced an option that if your vet examined the bitch concerned and classed her fit enough to be bred from again at the next season say for example a bitch that only has seasons every 10 months or had a singleton puppy they could apply to register another litter of pups before the 12 month period was up.

Satincollie

But surely even a dog that has a season every 10 months should still have a break!!!  Having one pup is not excuse either.  The dog still had a pup - 1 or 6 she still went through the same process of giving birth and rearing the puppy.  No, absolutely not, nobody will ever get me to agree that there is any reason for mating your dog at her next season.  Sorry, it reeks of indescriminate breeding to me.  Is that not what puppy farmers do?  There are sooo many dogs being bred now that I think the KC should be tightening the rules, not relaxing them.  If you have a fantastic dog then what is the problem of giving her some time to recover before mating her again?  She'll still be fantastic in a year's time!!!!  Sorry, just my opinion.

Best wishes
Annie

I'm not arguing with you Annie just giving  the information as to one of the reasons the KC changed the rules back again. I only breed when I aim to keep something and would most definitely never do a back to back mating :D

Sorry Satincollie, I get a bit emotive on this subject.  Not aimed at you personally though just trying to get my point across.  Forgive me.  :d :d

Annie

Actually it was that the law that applied to commercial breeders not being able to breed a litter withn 12 months does not apply to those who breed 4 litters or less a year.

That soesn't mean you can register as often as you like as the KC will only register 6 litters in toatl to any bitch.

It was getting silly when a bitch whelped a few days or a week short of a year from last time,a dn it was taking too long to process requests for dispensation with support from the vet.

Most ethical breeders would nto amte a bith on succeeding seasons unless there was a special reason, say she had a singleton litter the previous time or has long intervals between seasons.

For most leaving a seqson in between or two is the norm, as you would only take a couple of litters from her anyway.

This rule for one person and not for another is a nonsence.
A person who has proper facilities and an annual inspection, accurate records, proper health checks etc can not register even if pups born 1 week before 12 months is up yet some body with no checks can. Where is the sense in that?
It is either good practice or not. Not ok for one and not for another. IMO
Amos

Don't be so sure that the records are accurate with everyone who has numerous litters and who are licenced breeders !!

I really do appreciate that responsible and caring breeders do not and would not have 6 litters in total.  But there are people who would and these are the people that are breeding sub-standard dogs and selling them as pets - and they are then being bred etc., etc.,  Really, the KC should get their act together and have 1 rule.  One of my own dogs was bred from an accidental mating when she was 16 months.  The puppies were KC registered as she had a vet certificate to say the dog was healthy.  But in the world of rules, strictly speaking the pups shouldn't have been registered but, this was a very responsible breeder and, to this day, she still doesn't know when it happened because the dog was in kennels while the bitch was in heat.  He came back days after.  We can only assume he got her around the back of the garage. :d :d  See those boys!!!!

It is a shame that in life it is the legitimate people that are often affected worse when laws are brought in but KC seems to have got this wrong.  It should be one rule for everybody.  Maybe then we wouldn't see so many badly bred KC registered puppies in the local press.

Sorry if I get a bit angry on this subject but there is a puppy farmer near me who always has dogs in the paper and I have seen many examples of these poor souls when I visit my vet with my healthy hounds.  They breed cavaliers, solid cockers, westies and scotties and it makes me mad.

Anyway, had my say now and I'm coming down of this high horse as I'm getting vertigo:d :d

Annie

I thought I would just make it clear that my dog was a puppy from an accidental mating - she wasn't actually caught around the back of the garage :d :d

Annie

All my dogs are KC registered but to be honest, I think half the time they don't even check the paper work.  18 months ago, I had two litters 3 days apart, in the exhaustion I registered BOTH litters to the same mum and all the KC documents came back registered to her.  How can they do that?  How can they register two litters 2 days apart to the same mum and not even question it?

Hi Sandra

Did you have to re-register the pups?  If so, what did KC say about it?  A clerical error.  Also, it may be that you didn't register both litters to the same mum.  Perhaps it was KC that made the error there too by not looking at the details correctly and putting in the wrong name of the mum.  Either way, it ain't very professional but I suppose with the number of registrations they get there is bound to be some mistakes.  We're all human after all aren't we?  STill doesn't look good though!!!

Kind wishes
Annie