I show an irish setter called nelll in junior handling, but she is really naughty for me. I know i can't stop her being naughty, but can you tell me the right thing to do. E.G. when she jumps to bit the lead i go back on myself and start again.
please HELP ME. thanks
lauren

Yes you can stop her ebing naughty, by training her and making sure she knows it is not right to be naughty (it's hard work!)

In answer to your main question, yes stop her, tell her "no" or "stop" go back to the judge, appologise and ask if you can start again.

If she is jumping for the lead, this can be stopped, by keeping the lead out of her sight.  If she can't see if, she won't chase it!  Do this by holding the lead above the dogs head.  (this does not mean you have to string your dog up!)  The lead can still be loose, but is out of sight of the dog.  This is a good thing to do with all puppies that chase their lead.  To them somethign they can see swinging is great fun to chase!!!! 

good luck!

Both of my Irish jump for the lead one is 8 months and the other 15 months :rolleyes: I keep it coiled inside me hand so they cant see it but this still doesnt stop them jumping for it.  A stern no usually helps :)

Irish Setters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW, The boys are totally untrainable under 18months and the girls under 11 months.
You will need the patience of a saint
The stamina of a japanese wrestler
And as much Love in your heart as Mother Theresa.God rest her soul.

I cetainly wouldnt say untrainable, both of my boys have gained their bronze good citizens and have a good level of obedience, I have done competition with one (ok only at a companion show but its still competition ;) ) my boys are good in the ring, they will stand still when told and rarely fidget but on the move they get excited and start to jump and bite the lead, I wouldnt call this untrainable though.

I think people have serious misconceptions about Irish Setters, you generally get out what you put in :)

anastasia, I have kept Irish Setters for 32 years and I have never found the need to describe the breed in the way you just did. If you have so much trouble with the genial gentlemen of the emerald isle, you need to look for another breed.

Dawn R.

And red and whites are ment to be worse.....

Oh my Gosh!! fireworks while I have been away,dear oh dear!
Anyway, stand by what I said ,love them to bits,always have,the bitches are are better and quite manaegable by 12months.For sense and sensibility I prefer Gord Setters and English Setters,the later are the easiest breed to train,with looks to match.
PS>By the way,nearly forgot to say we had all the above breeds for 25 years.Oh! and nearly forgot to say 2 Jnr Warrants and a reserve CC twice.(with the irish of course) :~)

all that and you still couldnt train them   I have come accross this with another show person with Irish who does alot of winning, the dog is a handful but well behaved in the ring. the owners dont obedience train him and I dont believe they take him out much other than in their own fields he is then a real hyper excited dog when he does go out and I dont think his recall is all that :(  I also know of someone with a bitch who has the same problems.

One of my boys has had 100% recall since 6 months old and the other one at 8 months DID have 100% but at the moment is about 60% depending what bitches are around (the poor hormonal chap) although I expect in a couple of months we will be over this stage.

I stand by what I said, you get out what you put in and if you cant be bothered to train your dog he wont train himself.

I am really quite offended by your post. Do you own or have you ever owned an Irish Setter? I have two beautiful Irish girls both have had fabulous recall by the age of 9 months and are much better behaved then some of the more trainable breeds that mature earlier. Neither of my girls have ever needed to be caged as they went through the typical puppy chewing and then stopped completely. The Irish Setter seems to get some 'stick' for being scatter-brained but to be perfectly honest most aren't. My girls are equally happy out on their walks or curled up asleep on the sofa.

Rant Over :D :D

9 months before a perfect recall - shame on you!  :D

Oh I know, terrible isn't it. I really should have put more time and effort in and had their recall 100% by the time they were 12 weeks old. I really shouldn't be allowed to have Irish as I'm obviously doing something wrong :D :D :D

LOL Alli, I totally agree, in fact my boys never even really went through a chewing stage (unless you include newspapers in which case they are still going through it :D :D )

I had my first ever serious chat to someone at the weekend about Irish doing obedience and also the difference between Irish and other breeds, she was a very intelligent lady - her way of thinking goes like this :

if you ask a labrador to jump over a wall, it would jump the wall without hesitation.  If you ask a collie to jump over a wall, it would jump the wall without hesitation.  If you ask an Irish Setter to jump the wall, it would jump to the top of the wall and look over to check whats on the other side before jumping down the otherside.

Makes perfect sense to me, Irish are a thinking dog and are actually highly intelligent as long as they are allowed to be and their owner understands this.  You could never expect a Irish to be like a lab - for instance mine will only retrieve an item a couple of times before he starts questioning the point of doing it ;)

I just couldn't help but reply to that post. I do take great offence if anyone says Irish are untrainable now if we are talking Gordon Setters thats another story :D :D :D My eldest girl has only just developed her 'Brain Room' and it now seems to be filling up with something resembling brains :D :D :D

I think you are definitely right in what you are saying Claire, I know my Irish girls think about things before they do them, I mean you can see them looking at you out of the corner of their eye just before they do something naughty :D

Mmmm... interesting claire but what about those of us with "thinking" BC's? I have 2 that would jump on the top of the wall and check what's on the other side and one that would say sod off and look for a way round LOL sometimes they think too much ;-)