However what you should understand is that two weeks is not long enough to say that advice hasn't worked otherwise puppy training would be the easiest thing in the world

Having had a lot of puppy owners through my hands consistency is the hardest thing to learn however once understood the process of puppy training does become a matter of repetition repetition until the penny drops with the puppy. I now don't have to think about being consistent it comes as second nature

>not to be made to feel stupid when the advice doesnt work

In this case it seems that a lot of the advice (freely given, several times), particularly the many repetitions of "everyone be consistent" and "give it time" is not being taken. No wonder it's not working ...

I agree bulldogowner.  I've not followed the OP's previous posts, but on looking through I can see that she/he has needed help and indeed asked for help many times, but IMO that just makes her/him very unsure of what they're doing and therefore in greater need of help.

As you said before, if people think that the OP is not paying attention to previous advice, then don't bother giving any opinion on the question.  As being rude will only, as far as I can see, make the OP feel even worse and certainly not help the situation in hand.  This person is obviously worrying about what is happening at home, and I personally feel for her/him.

Unfortunately though, not being an 'experienced' dog handler, I can't offer any advice.  However, I do send my best wishes and hope that things get sorted out soon.

Thanks Keeley

Keeley,

>I've not followed the OP's previous posts, but on looking through I can see that she/he has needed help and indeed asked for help many times<

You've formed a sympathetic approach to the OP - fair enough - based on the problems that she has sought assistance on.  However, you then go on to be critical of others based on a few posts on this one thread - without having extended the courtesy of assessing just how much time and effort has been put into trying to alleviate the problems and give confidence to this OP by numerous people quite literally dozens of times.  Before you start casting stones, perhaps like Bulldogowner you too might benefit from researching the background here.

>Unfortunately though, not being an 'experienced' dog handler, I can't offer any advice<

A common state of affairs with those who most often criticise people who do offer the benefit of experience :(

Teri

I have read all her posts but it boils down too the fact that some of you have really been mean in your posts and judgemental regardless if you have said the same thing 100 times or more theres no need to post the things u have done. Thats the point here. You gave your advice which would have been the same i advice i was given but if i had to repeat this so be it i would never post a comment like some of you have done.

>I have read all her posts

I didn't suggest you read all of her 70+ posts - but that you read each of the threads in their entirety which will account for many 100s of replies also and take quite considerably longer ;)

> if you have said the same thing 100 times or more theres no need to post the things u have done. Thats the point here.<

No - that's not "the point here" that's your point.

But perhaps instead of lecturing members on how to conduct themselves or word their responses you could instead come up with some innovative way of dealing with the OPs multiple problems - or perhaps you don't have anything constructive to add ......

Teri

I think what all of you have suggested is the best way forward it is certainly what i would have suggested her to do. BUT when she comes back and says it doesnt work etc... regardless of how many times you have told you, she has come back here to this site to everyone here for advice or support, even if its the same advice given. She didnt come back here to be made to feel like crap . I just think everyone that gave her negative feedback could have handled it better

>I dont see why you have to post messages that are horrible to read and would make the other peopn feel like crap. You wouldnt like it if it was done to you.

Erm .... so why not just let it drop? You've said your bit - no need for repetition, surely? ;)

Where's Margot with her magic chill-dust?
:)

I definitely wouldnt come here for advice anymore, after the way some of the advice has been given and i find that really sad

Do you think it's Ok to cut 'n paste it :D :D :D

Probably a bit late now anyway ;)    Never mind, good to be back isn't it :P

Cut n paste what

Teri was talking about the chill dust I think! :D

Oh sorry blonde moment

I dont mean to be rude to anyone of you despite what im saying i just think we need a bit more compassion when dealing with someone who needs help. Were all experienced when it comes to puppys and this lady may not be, we was all in her position once and i know what it was like i felt like tearing my hair out. But she will learn with experience like we all have

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Just hang on a second Teri, before you jump down everyone's throat.

I'm not criticising anyone's offer of help, I'm criticising the way things have been said, which is a very regular occurance on this site.  Once I even believe you yourself stuck up for me because people were 'having a go'.  Ok, it was about a completely different subject, but it still makes the OP feel like sh*t.

As for your last remark - totally unjustified.  All I was stating was that unfortunately I could not help.  I wasn't 'having a go' (I know you didn't say that, these are my words), or criticising people because of their advice, as yes, that would be wrong seeing as I'm not 'experienced', I was simply stating that the way people make the OP feel is sometimes not fair, rude and IMO unnecessary.

I still think that what was said earlier is the best option - if someone was 'bugging' me because they were 'ignoring my advice' then I'd not bother offering it again, thinking "ah well, their problem".  I certainly wouldn't join in the topic just to tell the OP off for not listening in the first place.

Keeley, I'm not jumpng down everyone's throat.   And I do regularly stick up for posters if I believe people are "having a go" as you put it - however I also stick up for myself too and as one of the people who is now sick to the back teeth of this particular OP being rude to me I have gone on to make it plain that I won't be offering her anymore advice.  This particular interaction is in defence of why I previously posted in those terms and has not been addressed to the OP. 

Ergo you level criticism at me I will respond - human nature being one of my failings.  Teri ;)

Teri, I never read anything about the OP being rude to you.  Missed that one.  Besides, when I was originally agreeing with bulldogowner I don't even think it was aimed at you or your rudeness, or certainly my post wasn't.  YOU, however, decided to jump on me.  If that's what you want to class as self-defence then fair enough.

Bulldogowner,

Why don't you click on the OP's user name and then read from start to finish each of the nine threads she has begun in 10 days?  It will take some time and you will find much of it very repetitive but then you'll also find that you're comment "It's not fair that everyone is being unhelpful" is completley unjustified.

A great many people have gone out of their way to be helpful, time and again, but as well as being dog lovers on here we're also human and so quite naturally occasionally get frustrated that no matter how much patience and concern is shown some posters take none of it on board.  Add to that the fact that out of countless helpful, polite and friendly replies posted, the only ones that certain people choose to pick up on are the very rarely tetchy ones.  Always a big deal made of that for some reason but little or no acknowledgement given for anything else.  Perhaps it would be better if everyone choosing to post armed themselves with all the available facts before casting judgement on others, whether on those posting a thread or replying to it.

Regards, Teri 

Teri, thats fine by if it frustrates you keep this to yourself you dont need to post this frustration for all and sundry to see. If she is really bothering you by asking for the same advice over and over agin just ignore her.

Hi sorry you are still having difficulties I can understand your frustration,did you get my post about the Gwen Bailey book puppy school I went out and brought it Sat morn and decided to tell you after reading some of the tips I think they may be helpful,your children seem to be of school age so when they are out of the way what about taking your pup into the garden and having a play and some easy training like sit,stay down this book gives you some really good examples and pictures of how to use the hand signals etc to train them,also tips on hiding toys anything to keep their minds occupied and tire them out a bit,as you know my pup nips and bites also, she is 14 wks and it hurts us as adults so your children would understandably find it very painful,it would worry me. The book was £12.99 and I think worth every penny I have been doing some of the exercises over the weekend and have found a difference already,she still bites us sometimes but I am able to use the commands effectively and take note of the tips and it is slowly working i have also been able to take my pup out for a couple of weeks now and walks and socialising does help .I am afraid it is a case of having to stick with it and as others have suggested seperating the pup from the children with a stairgate unless you are there to supervise the play,this book also has a section on introducing puppies to households with children,I do not have young children anymore but do have granchildren although i do not see them that often i do need to feel the pup is going to be well behaved or that I can step in and keep top of a situation if it arises which i am sure it will,apart from telling you this and that unfortunately it will take time and hard work i can think of nothing else except to wish you good luck and keep on persevering hopefully one day you will be able to look back and laugh at all this and say do you remember when.GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!   

Our bulldog puppy is doing the same thing as soon as he starts biting one of us we tell him NO then hand he one of his toys so he knows that he shouldnt bite us but toys are acceptable. If he plays with his toys are we have told him NO we prase him and tell him what a good boy he is. We always prase good behaviour. He does get out of hand so if he really hurts us or just doesnt listen we put him in his crate for 10mins as a kind of "time out" and totally ignore him for that 10mins as soon as he comes out hes happy to play with his own toys on his own. We have had him 8weeks nearly and we have been very consistant in doing this, and he is definitely not as bad as he used to be as soon as we say no now he stops and plays with his toys without us giving him any. We have loads of Nylabone toys and the Kong ones are especially good if you get the ones with the holes in we normally fill them up cheese or corn beef and he happy to play for ages on his own trying toget out his fav food.

why don't you all keep your shoes on until she has understood :-) 

Puppies do this I think it is their way of discovering the world. All of mine have and sometime it would bring tears to my eyes but they all grew out of it and are all well adjusted adult dogs.

Can I just ask something - is this pup socialising with other pups his age? 

Pups learn a lot from other pups - one important lesson is what is 'too hard' to bite when playing.  Another pup will squeal and communicate in canine terms (which we can't) that something is too hard. 

I suspect this pup isn't getting out - as Trackie said, she's not taking it out until after 2nd jab and not taking it to classes until after 2nd jab either.  That wouldn't be my advice.  I'd have the pup out from after 1st jab, which for mine is at 7wks.  They meet other pups at socialisation class and play, and although they do try to bite when playing with people, this never hurts, because they very quickly learn what is too hard from playing with other pups....

Regarding Trackie's pup meeting other pups - that depend entirely on the vet's advice, in particular reference to the amount of disease in Trackie's particular locality. My vet, for example, won't give the first jab until the pup is 10 weeks old.

Hi, I have been following this thread from the beginning and the advice that the OP has been given, in my view, has been given with every support and understanding.  What the OP doesn't seem to understand is that this will not change overnight.  Puppies are puppies and she has been given advice on how to "manage" the situation until the puppy is through this phase.  I this it is frustration that drives people to being "short" in their posts.  Most people on this forum, I have found, have been very supportive and I think it is a shame when they are jumped upon by people who don't really know the full story.  I'll probably get some people's backs up for this but I find it to be true.

Also, I posted last week reitering the advice that had been given by other members and it seems that the problem really starts when the children come home.  This says to me that the puppy is getting over-excited and it is more about keeping the children calm and educating them than blaming the puppy's behaviour on it being "aggressive". 

Annie

Has anyone seen my pot of Chill-out dust???? :)

Margot

It was just the teeniest ,weeniest, icklest piece I stole (strike that, "borrowed")  - it was an emergency after all :(    Forgiven????

Teri :o
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I think Teri's got it, Margot........and keeping it all for herself :( :D

But you must have some in stock.........come on.....sprinkle some.........you know you want to ;)

Edited to say, Posting at the same time Teri :)

I owned up :( :( :(  and it looks like more is needed anyway  :rolleyes:  "you can't get too much of a good thing"  :P

Come on then Teri, sprinkle some more of the said pilfered dust, by the end of this thread it just may work :P

I did already!!!!!!  Further up the page - that's why I thought I had to own up which now means I didn't have to after all

I don't think Margot's gonna forgive me now .................
It was an emegency