Well i have had dogs in the past and never needed advice as to trying to get some sleep.This 8wk old staffie has got me so tired i feel like crying she has a jumper of mine as i saw suggested on another thread that didnt work i have bought a crate now and not sure its a good idea dont like the thought of putting her in a cage seems cruel.She will constantly whine and scream and i have igrored it so far but last night it went on for hours upon hours and when i did cave in she had messed in her bed ect i assume through anxiety please help i am at my wits end

How many times should i get up and take her to loo as she is in a crate

Hi ya, I'm afraid you will have to learn to ignore it through the night, its the only way cos if you keep getting up she/he will know how to call you :) I have read where others have set alarm clocks to go off after a few hours where they then get up and put puppy outside (whether they want to or not) this way the pup hasn't got to go too long between wees'.  If you don't want her in a cage then the simple answer is don't. I only used mine for two weeks and she just used it as a toilet the little minx! She could of course have been crying to tell you what she had already done, some pups won't sleep by their own mess and want it cleaned up :) How long have you had her? As she is only 8 weeks she just needs time to settle.

Dee

Only had her 3 days expecting miracles i know but i will set the clock and get up to take her to loo but im sure she will start off a gain nevermind

Seems like I am trying to keep up with the joneses here but we also had this problem at night,the 3rd night I put her in her cage and shut her in and she cried and barked nearly all night hence no one in the family got much sleep,as I decided I must not get up to her else she has won,I decided to take cage into our bedroom mammoth expedition ours is the large crate for giant breeds,put it up there and left door open but shut bedroom door,only thing is you have to keep getting upwhen they bar or whine incase they need toilet,only did it for a couple of nights and she now sleeps through the night and if we get up when she wakes in the morning we have no toilet problems either.I take it your dog cannot go out yet I found once mine had her innoculations and could go for walks and socialise with other dogs our problems stopped even the nipping is a lot better she is healthily tired hang in there it will get better.She now sleeps in the living room.

No she cant go out yet and if possible i want to avoid taking the crate upstairs in case she expects that always its not a huge crate but knowing if they are barking for the loo or attention is a mission and they say to ignore the whinging how can you in case she needs the loo. then once ive took her out off we go again with the whinging

Try a DAP spray ( Dog Appeasing Pheromone). It may calm her down, spray it onto blanket or inside crate. Buy from vets or dog supplies online.
Deb

I kept our kennel in the bedroom and brought it into the living room during the day. I even had them carrying their toy into the kennel at bedtime lol When I heard mine moving about or making a noise thats when I took them outside to do their business. I use to keep Junior in the living room but he just whined thats how his kennel ended up in our room. Now all my kennels are in the living room I don't have one in my room at all, we have 2 huge kennels and a smaller one.

I hope ur puppy lets you get some sleep soon :) Best of luck

Any web site  i  can get this dap spray thanks:)

What we did with the last one as it was very cold in the nights one of us slept on the sofa downstairs (we took turns to be fair)with the pup by our side for the 1st 2 weeks.
On the floor ( to begin with) we spread out old sheets and towels,better than paper, as sometimes they will only go on paper for months.After the 2 weeks were passed we left the pup on it's own, and that night we refused to hear any cries, but we always put a hot water bottle in a woollen jumper for the pup to snuggle up to..No more problems after that.
We have found over the years that Bitches cry in the night a  lot more than Dog puppies.Don't be too neurotic about toilet training as some pups are very slow to "catch" on --but eventually they will get the message.We have had 2 dog pups that only decided to "go" outside the week that they stopped piddling like bitches, so this would be around the 6month mark.We had one bitch pup that took 10months to toilet train,but she turned out to be the nicest and one of the cleanest one of them all.I also recall one 7week pup that got the message straight away with no fuss or ado.

Hi
Look on this website first for an in depth read of what DAP is. www.doggiesolutions.co.uk ( then find DAP) sorry you'll have to cut and paste into address box. Then look on a search engine (google) for the cheapest. We got ours from our vets. Its expensive but you only need a bit at a time. Its also good for bonfire night or other stressful times.

HI Tackie29, you've only had the pup a couple of days and she is bound to be missing her mum.  If you can imagine that the first 7 or 8 weeks of her life she has been snuggled in beside mum and all her litter mates and then suddenly she is taken away and expected to sleep in a room, on her own, with nobody to snuggle into.  She's bound to be distressed. It also sounds to me also that your crate is too big and she's getting confused.  If you want her to be in a large crate then you will have to separate the sleeping and toileting areas which completely defeats the purpose of having a crate in the first place!!!(?) - either that or you will be spending your whole time washing bedding.  Crate training a dog is not at all cruel.  Dogs are den animals and they actually feel safe and secure in a crate.  It also helps if you can cover it over with a blanket or something so that it is cosy.  Don't. whatever you do, use the crate as a punishment i.e. she's put in her crate for being bad!  You want her to get the idea that the crate is a place of safety.  That way you can always pop her in it when you are going out and she is going through her chewing phase!  Good ideas here about alarm clocks etc.  But I think the most important aspect is to take the little toot up with you to your bedroom until she settles in and finds her bearings.  You can then move the cage slowly out of the bedroom and into your chosen spot!  YOu may need to invest is a small cage though to do this.  Do you have any friends that could lend you one or maybe your vet will rent one to you throughout this period.  I know my previous vet did this.

Hope this helps. 

The crate isnt very big at all and if i can help it i dont want to take her upstairs at all she still screams the house down even in the same room its all getting very hard :( ive done it all before but never had one like this she is a little moo:) nevermind perserverence is the key

Think so.  Good luck!

Don't worry it will get better.  When my pup was little if I did go and let him out for a wee I tried not to talk to or pet him.  Also when concerned about rest of family getting sleep I resorted to sitting at kitchen table next to crate but did not interact with puppy.  On several occasions I fell asleep and woke with head on table. This seemed to work and now he is fine at night.    Good luck

Do you think i should sleep on the sofa for a few days as the crate is in the living room ? just not sure if she would depend on me being there all the time it wouldnt hurt would it?

Hi - that's an excellent idea, to sleep on the sofa - it was what I was going to suggest.  When we got our pup we slept right next to her crate for the first week or two.  We had a sleeping bag and mattress there.  We set our alarm clocks like people suggest and we took her out every 2-3 hrs the first few nights, followed by every 4 hrs pretty soon after.  She never ever messed in her crate.

Also, during the day, throw treats in her crate so that she wants to go in there and she thinks it's a nice place.  Never ever go to her or let her out when she's barking or making any noise because that will only reward that behaviour and it will just happen more!!

Hi Trackie

if you dont want to use a crate then dont. We never did but then I have made my feelings known about crates in the past. Cant you use a large box and put paper at the opposite end to her bed. Three days isnt alot of time really for a little pup although we were lucky because ours didnt cry at all except for the first night we had her home. We didnt let her out in the night at all to go to the toilet just put her out really late and then really early the following morning.

If i dont use the crate my house will be chewed to bits and thats the main reason for the crate if i could afford again to replace things then by all means i would but its cost a fortune three times over :) although they are worth it i cant afford a new kitchen ect again

My puppy sleeps in his crate next to my bed and we don't hear a peep out of him till about 7.30am and he uses his crate when he wants some quiet time away from the kids.

Crates are what you make them, your the one who is responsible for how your dog views it's crate.

Thanks but it doesnt matter if the crates next to me she still whines most of the night also she never goes in off her own back to sleep she would rather lay next to our feet in fact she hates to go in the crate full stop any ideas?

Are you sure she'll chew, not all pups chew , Giorgia didnt chew anything at all. They may chew your fingers etc but not necessarily anything solid

Oh yes she will chew she like to chew anything and everything but mostly our feet ouch and it hurts :(

oh I know that feeling!!

We decided before we got our original pup, that she wasn't going to be allowed upstairs.  We also did the sleeping downstairs, right next to the crate.  We added a heat pat (waterbottle might be chewed and leak), ticking clock (to imitate mothers heartbeat) and a piece of the blanket that the pups had slept on from the breeder.  Hope you've managed to get a bit more sleep.  Your pup may be feeling lonely, but she/he will get over it, just hang on in there.