Hi all
just got a sched through for a show I normally do.However we have shown once under the judge and she was obviously not impressed with one of my boys...so do I bother this year? Has anyone ever shown a dog under a judge twice and had the judge change their opinion.
Archer

Hi Archer, I have seen this happen,although i have also seen the reverse happen as well i think it also depends on the quality of the dogs there at the time and also how much your dog had matured.

Fiona

I would enter Archer.  This happened to me once, I went under a judge and took reserve out of 6. a few months later he was judging at one of my local shows, I swithered whether to enter, but needing the class no's maintained I decided to enter. He placed me 2nd and also made a comment on how well my bitch had matured.  As Fiona said, it also depends on the quality of other dogs entered.

Hi Archer, it depends :)  If your boy was a puppy, juvenile, out of coat etc. the judge may have not been impressed with him at that stage in his development whereas (and really only you or a close friend who's brave :P can decide) if he has now matured and should be in full bloom the same judge may not be able to see past him.

What is usually more telling about a judge, after you've made an honest assessment of your own dog's virtues and failings, is how they judged everything else!  Do you think they came up with dogs of good type, similar mould, were they judging in a manner which you could follow? 

I've had low placings under some judges with raw dogs who have gone on to give them a CC or RCC as mature adults - but only those judges who I am already confident like my type of dogs and therefore would appreciate how they had matured and who had obviously sorted out the first entry I'd witnessed in a professional and consistant manner.  HTH, regards Teri :)

Richmond 2001 large class of around 10 got binned when she was out of coat, Bath this year smaler class won and got RC, thought crit shows she wasn't her ideal cup of tea.

Dogs change and the oposition witll be different and also have changed be in and out of coat etc.

I recently went under a judge that gave mine 1st in puppy in a very strong class at a club show.  This time we were chucked :D

Judges can and do change their minds - My bitch has very done a lot in the ring - and had been chucked my a judge once who we thought never really looked at her - next time she judge i really depated whether to enter - In the end we did and went expecting to get chucked - we came away with a 3rd and a studbook number in a class of a similar size if not bigger than the first time with some of the same dogs! Dont think I will write a judge off again untill having been underthem at least twice!

Oh yes they change their mind.  One of our bitches as a youngest went under know judge, she was immature at time and he said that he considerde her for the RCC after giving her the class but though she was too immauture.  he was deciding and took awhile to make up his mind, we wern't botherd.  the bitch that took the RCC was just as nice and slightly more mature.  He judges again, other end of country 2 years later, So me and dad make long journey to scotland with just the one dog in hope to maybe this time get the CC.  Not many dogs are enterd so worth going, she gets 4th out of 4!!!!!!  3rd time under this judge, wanted to see what he thought of our younger bitch.  Younger bitch wins class, other bitch comes 2nd and get called in for RCC, unfortantly didn't get it, but was condiderd again.  Now if thats not a judge changing their mind?

IMO a judge is allowed two chances to prove they like my dogs.  After that then it's clear they most likly arn't keen on them! :)

I once got told by a judge who chucked my dog that it was very easy to miss a good dog in a big class so I think you should weigh up the pros and cons.  If the judge has liked your other dogs and they are of a similiar type give it a go.  I also got told by another judge if she had realised who my dog was she would have placed her better!  I also know that sometimes my dogs are being total rat bags and they havent deserved a place.

Thanks everyone for your replies. I will probably give it a go...only been under the judge once before ...placed one of my dogs but didn't like the other at all.It was however 2 years ago so both dogs have changed and I also have my youngster who has never been under the judge before.....at the end of the day we go for the day out not the winning but am having to start being a little more picky which shows I do as now with the 3 dogs each show costs a small fortune LOL
Archer

Just to add my twopence worth.   I showed my youngest under a certain judge at a club champ show and didn't even get a look in and I made a note not  to bother with him again (as you do).   Then a few months later at a local open show the breed judge didn't turn up so the said same champ show judge stepped in and guess what - we got BOB!    Perhaps she was the best dog on the day - or maybe a lack of faces made a difference - who knows?

 

Two of Raider's RCCs were under judges that only gave him 2nd in the class the first time they judged him.  If you are judging the dog on the day, the results may vary.  As you know, in our breed, dogs can look peculiar at various stages of development - heads take time to develop, chests to drop and sometimes young dogs can have bone which is a shade lighter than is desirable.  These things tend to change with time.  A dog might be out of coat, or rusty if its going to drop its coat.  Maybe a dog is just having an "off-day" and will not pull itself together at all.  Sometimes it does depend on which other dogs are there, and that does not always mean the judge is a face judge, just that there are other dogs there that the judge prefers on that particular day.  I know that to my own cost, as a judge which had given Raider BPIS and considered him for the RCC at the first show gave him nothing higher than a 1st at the next show and told me "He's very nice, but there were other dogs there that I liked better on the day".  Fair enough, can't argue with that.  I'll give him a whirl another time.  I would always give a judge a second try - it I get binned a second time by a judge, by which I mean placed last or not placed at all, I will not waste my money another time.

I have - I got a 1st at a Champshow under a judge and just missed out on the RCC and then a year later went under the same judge and got binned.  I do know of people getting binned by judges at one show then laetr getting the CC - so it can heppen. 

When one of my Pom's was a puppy nobody rated him at all, he was nice but that was it.  Once he reached 14 months everybody changed their opinion of him thus him receiving a CC and two res. CC's until an ear infection ended his show career!  So yep opinions sure can change and in my eyes he didn't look much different as a puppy as to when he was 14 months old.

One of my biggest regrets when campaigning my now retired champion dog was not entering the breed classes at a General Ch. Show under a very well known all rounder because I thought she didn't like him, then accidentally(!!) entering him under her in a Pedigree Champ Stakes classes at a later show, only to be awarded 2nd and for her to tell me he is absolutely sheer class!!  I didn't get the chance to ever enter him under her again!!!  Grrrrrr!!!!  Sometimes you can be too cautious!!