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By Lokis mum
Date 13.06.05 20:46 UTC
Michael Jackson's jury reached verdicts in the child molestation and conspiracy case against the "King of Pop".
Sheriff's deputies and court officials said the verdict was to be read after attorneys and Jackson reached the courthouse.
The singer was told earlier that he would have about an hour to arrive from his Neverland ranch estate.
Verdict shuould be read out in about 1 hour's time.

Verdict: 'Not Guilty' on all charges.
By Blue
Date 13.06.05 22:29 UTC

3 members of the jury were in tears as the verdicts were read out.
I know he is quite a sick man and I do believe things are certainly anything but normal BUT I do think there has been a massive injustice done to him. I have read through some bits and peices and there was some mightly strange things thrown at him. The prosecution had so many things wrong and I personally think they had a poor case, dates wrong, the worst witnesses you could ever ask for.. I know we all can agree on it and have to have our own thoughts. For or Against.
I to wouldn't want my child on her own with him but I would feel almost the same with most strangers.
I hope he can get himself sorted out and this has been a huge fright to him.
I have a feeling this will start a huge new album, tours you name it OR he will go into hiding for a year or so.. I hope the later for him. If he jumps back into his career to cash in on the injustice I don't think it will help him with his problems.
Oh well... that was my thoughts on it.
By earl
Date 13.06.05 21:20 UTC

YES! Innocent!!!!! :)

Personally think it's teh way I would have said based on what I know. The family against him were only in it for money IMO!
By Lokis mum
Date 13.06.05 21:24 UTC
Well - 12 good men (& women) and true have found him not guilty so......
But I wonder what lies in his future?
And I STILL would not let any child that I had any dealings with, within a mile of him.....
Margot
All power corrupts - absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I know what you mean Margot by not letting children near him. But since when do
decent parents leave their children with a stranger, even if they are famous! :)
I think he will be best lieing low for a while personally. Plus I believe he hasn't got the same amounth of money he had before the case started! :)

I still think something dodgy went on, but then I have a suspicious mind :rolleyes:

If this had of been a man just down the road from you I think that you would of all felt differently. Let's face it we knew that he'd be found not guilty!
Maybe he didn't sexually assault the lad, maybe he didn't try and kidnap them etc. and maybe the things that they said weren't quite true but still feel that something has gone on.
I know for one that I would never let any children of mine, if I had any that is, go and stay with him.
And you know what, if it was the bloke down the road my kids wouldn`t have the slightest interest of him.....he his who he is & thats why the interest in him. Lets face it, not much interest in the bloke who lives next door to you or me, except he`s gaot gait???? & feel for him, man next door that is
:) :)
NOT GUILTY ON ALL ACCOUNTS, JUDGED BT HIS PEERS.
WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT.......

Why on earth are you shouting??? This is a forum, for discussion, that is what people are doing!
COS i FEEL LIKE MEL..... WHY??????
ISN`T SHOUTING ALLOWED??????

NO IT'S NOT YOU ARE GIVING ME A HEADACHE :D

:D :D

You've had your say Christine. Would you go starting a shouting match if we were all in a room together? Everyone else is calm and discussing, unfortantly when one person shouts, other people do to and the discussion turns into an arguement, people get upset and the thred gets locked. Just calm down! :)
Well here I amm all judged & found guilty of shouting, don`t think I`ve ever done oit before but there you you go I`m shouting now aren`t I??
I couldn`t have made a mistake & lleft the bloody caps on could i??????? and just didnt feel like going back n typin it out again could i????
and whos going to be the next to thro stones over me spellin? ????????
By Teri
Date 13.06.05 23:37 UTC

LOLOL @ Christine :P
>and whos going to be the next to thro stones over me spellin? ???????? <
Sertanely knot mee, yew go girl,
Teri :P
Yo iM goin teri.....not sure wher tho :D :D :D
and i can have my say as much as anyone i/queen....much as i like!!!! just like everyone else :D
if i feel like shouting i will....wherevever I am :D
im not a paticular argumantative person, I`ll state my point when ever I want......& I`ll always say what I think....... & I think you need to not tell me to be calm :) let me know if you don`t understand what I`m saying & I`ll tell you in a couple of words ;) :)
Seems rather appropriate to this thread :) that first Mel, then P/de/Ague then ice/queen had something to say about my post that had the caps on & was deemed shouting by them. Each of you have been around long enough to know my postings & I doubt if anyone of you have ever seen me post a message all in caps like that.
None of you thought to think thats a bit strange for her to do that, it`s not like her?????
Guess I can be rude & *shout* like the anyone else when I want to hey?????? :D :D

Actually, I would have thought it odd for you except that you went on to say *what more do you want* :)
No hard feeling Christine after all all I did was ask you a question :)

Hi Christine
My reply to your CAPS was a joke !! I wasn't getting at you at all. It was supposed to be funny as when people shout people get headaches :d :d
Maybe my sense of humour wasn't as I thought?
Look after youself and I hope all goes OK over the next week or so. Thinking of you.
Diane
I'm afraid I'm with you there ClaireyS, maybe I have a suspicious mind too! But I still think he's guilty, even though he's been given the 'not guilty' verdict, I hope that a lot more parents have sense to keep their children away from him!

Sandra, why would parents let their children socilise with a grown man in the first place who they barely know?

Maybe because of him being so famous they thought that their children would be safe!
By Lokis mum
Date 13.06.05 22:02 UTC
Only one reason, Rox - they have an eye on the main chance! Grasping - for publicity - for cash - for the chance to "bask" in reflected glory...... :(
By arched
Date 13.06.05 22:03 UTC
There will always be doubt I'm sure. The fact that in 1994 he settled 'out of court' will be held against him and that weird marriage to Lisa Marie Presley just after, to me was just publicity to show the world that he was 'normal' (wrong word I'm sure but can't think of a better one). Money talks, I really wish the family in 1994 had been able to refuse the money.
By Daisy
Date 13.06.05 22:06 UTC
Whatever the verdict - and I'm agree with the verdict as I don't think that anything was 'proven' - Michael Jackson is bad news and will forever be viewed negatively by millions of people :(
Daisy
Thing is if your son had been abused would you have preferred money or justice? (I supposed money could be seen as more beneficial to the child, who knows). I think if someone famous had abused my child I would want it taken to court, so why did the earlier family accept the cash?
I know when my partner was attacked years ago, he was offered an unofficial out of court settlement and refused because he wanted justice - accepting the cash seemed like letting the other bloke off.
Its had the feel of a witch hunt to me, damned if found guilty damned if found innocent.
By arched
Date 13.06.05 22:15 UTC
I don't know why they accepted the cash but in their position, a young lad's word against the most famous and popular star in the world, who at the time (late 80's early 90's) could do no wrong - what would have rated their chances at ?.

Maybe they were very poor and had no option whether to take the money ?
By arched
Date 13.06.05 22:22 UTC
ClaireyS, that's what I meant earlier - I wish they had been able to refuse the money.

My response was for Alexanders :)
If they were so poor they couldn't refuse the money - maybe they viewed what they said happened as a stroke of 'luck' then??? Otherwise, how else would they have survived?
By Blue
Date 14.06.05 00:06 UTC

I thought it interesting to hear about the alleged unhealthy relationship which almost seemed like an obsession with DA Sneddon had with MJ. It is alleged that after reviewing the original complaint that no charges would be made but DA Sneddon became apparently obsessed with the case and hail rain or shine was pushing for charges to be brought.
A very influential legal expert in the States ( Gellor) has been allegedly concerned with the DA's obsession for a long time and said live on the news that if it were not for Sneddon the case would not have came to trial and had suspected it would never have in any other country. We have to wait and see if the DA stays on or takes retirement..
Also quite a few more alleged blackmail attempts by the family involved.
Also a few alleged bribes for people to come forward as prosectution witnesses , a few came clean about being approached ..very interesting.
The mother is described as an "Elephant" and not one word she said was believed. Alleged to have been the worst prosecution witness in recent history..
Quite a few dates of alleged incidents didn't even need to be challenged by the defence as the witnesses admitted they were not even in the country so allegedly contradicted their own statements.
Can't wait to read the full transcripts if they ever come out..
No sooner was this announced then new headline that George Best has been arrested after a complaint by a under 13 year old.. :-(
I know I over did the alledged but hey if it happens to MJ ;-)

I was speachless when I heard the verdict, just to think I wrote about that on the other thread that one was not reached yet... Personally I still think he is 100% guilty and if this was joe blow down the block they probably would have been found guilty. I think he is free because of who he is :(
Just my personal opinion :)
By Vicki
Date 14.06.05 05:30 UTC
Unfortunately, Dollface, that's my opinion too. I thought he was guilty and would get off - exactly what happened. Money talks! :(
By Dawn B
Date 14.06.05 05:46 UTC

I am inclined to believe the verdict as very truthful based on the "Arviso" family history of trying to extract money from famous people alone, let alone everything else they have done!
Nice one Micheal. :D
DAwn.
By jmo
Date 14.06.05 08:41 UTC
The reason the child was with MJ in the first place, (correct me if I am wrong) was because MJ was touched by his fight against cancer and I think he helped out financially with this, obviously anyone be it man or woman who had helped with this childs plight would have a strong attachment to them. I don-t for a minute think it appropriate to sleep with these children but I believe that he didn-t molest them. Hopefully this will stop him encouraging youngsters to stay in his home and stop anything like this ever happening again
Regardless of the verdict how can you say that if he was Joe Bloggs down the road he would have been found guilty. Looking a Blue's post above - there wouldn't have even been enough evidence to bring any form of case against 'Joe Bloggs' - only because he is who he is was there any case at all.
By Blue
Date 14.06.05 11:01 UTC

Ditto Alexanders, Money never "got him off" LACK of evidence and damming false evidence found him NOT guilty. He was cleared of 10 counts , I believe if there was any evidence he would not have been cleared of all 10.
People should take time to read some of the case, Sky news has some good information. if you are interested it is worth reading some of it.
All but 3 of the jury were people with several kids, well educated, impartial people as far as I can see. I personally thought that many parents may have caused him trouble.
One of the most damming thing was ( and the papers have twisted this so much) The boy confessed to his teacher than he wasn't abused, the papers tried to imply that the boy, when asked by his teacher had said NO he wasn't abused, BUT from what I have read HE ( the boy) actually went out his way to confided in his teacher that he wasn't abused .. a slightly different angle isn't it.
The boy was sick, they ( his parents) called MJ up and MJ then called the boy and invited them out to NL. The whole family lived in a 1 bedroom flat. MJ was the 3rd alleged attempt at gaining fame and financial assistance from what I have read.
I personally don't accept some of MJ behaviour at all BUT that is a lot different to serving 20 years for something there was no evidence of. Including no physical evidence at all.

I have to agree. I think that there were a number of things that he wasn't guilty of but I still feel that having children etc in his bed is wrong. He lives in America not a country where things like this are accepted and he must know that.
Looks like another OJ trial to me.
By Blue
Date 14.06.05 08:21 UTC

I have more faith in the legal system that this but I don't understand how you feel. :-)
The jurors in my opinion were of a good mix, quite a few older people, mothers etc who I thought may have been a problem , to the point I actually thought that may help the prosecution but they all 100% agreed the not guilty verdict.
Even as an oddball one thing I have always thought is if he was actually doing illegal things with or to the boys I have always found it hard to believe that even MJ would admit sleeping with boys on the TV. I really hope he has enough honest advisor to influence him to get help not to do with the boys but his life in general. Such a waste of a life really :-(
I feel really sorry for Gavin,Either he was being abused or manipulated by his mother and put through a terrrible ordeal .At the end of the day he is still a child, and to be used like this by his own mother is like a crime in itself.

And everyone hates Cilla Brown off Corrie after chesney only had a fall! ;) MJ case was just a very much larger scale in some opinions of some people.
By Blue
Date 14.06.05 08:43 UTC

I do agree Wendles, very very sad for him. His own father had charges dropped against him for alleged abuse on the children. The mother in my opinion is a bamp pot for doing, allowing however you want to look at it.. to those kids. No winners in this case at all really.
By Carla
Date 14.06.05 09:23 UTC
I think I would have been suprised if he'd been found guilty and I was equally suprised he was found not guilty - because there has been so much hype and so much spin its impossible for the outsider to assess really.
However, I hope he now gets some sensible help on raising his children and learns some adult behaviour. No-body wants a 40 odd year old "Peter Pan" figure - its just not right.
Well I for one think its a shame that all the happiness he gave to children by inviting them over, particularly children who had terminal illnesses, etc will really now have to stop (before you all jump on me I still agree he shouldn't have children sleeping in the same bed as him).
While we must always be on our guard against child abuse, it is only because of the sick, dirty minds of society that now make leaving almost ANY child with almost ANY man considered wrong. I have even heard parents comment that a teacher taking a science class with children is 'a bit dodgy' as it involved going into a dark cupboard (more than one child at a time, to do an exercise on eyes and the effects of light).
Other, more primitive societies do not even wear clothes and all sleep/work/dance together and this is natural. It is sad that maybe, if things continue, Men will not be allowed to touch children at all (maybe not even their own).
I realise I am starting to sound a bit weird :), but I really do think that MJ was acting in just a loving (innocent) way.
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