I am sure this is a big no when putting a stud to a bitch ?

I was amazed last night hearing that somebody in our village who mated her bitch (cocker) sedated the bitch (the vet did this who happened to be the sire's owner) because she was aggressive towards him :(

The poor bitch must have been truamatised. :( The woman has kept a pup and is going to breed from her as well. Guess what for the money :rolleyes: It was the bitches first season and she is going to breed from her again this season :( :(

Lucy

Oh boy - sounds like you have people in your village similar to those in ours :(

And the vet suggested it/carried it out????    Absolutely speechless!

Margot

I've never heard of sedation before. What is needed is patience, if a bitch just doesn't want to mate I couldn't bring myself to put her through the trauma.

It was the bitches first season and she is going to breed from her again this season 

Hi
That just says it all really - and the studs owner was a VET :( :(   Rather unethical :(
Helen

I think that the vet needs looking into if this has really happened!!!!!!  I'm sorry I just can't believe it.  I'm almost typeless :d

Just shows even more so that vets have absolutely no idea when it comes to breeding.  Sorry to be generalistic here but I can't believe what I've just read.

Yes I was the same last night when I was told :(

I am trying to find out some more details.

"It was the bitches first season and she is going to breed from her again this season"

Perhaps I'm being slow here but if I read this right, then the bitch would be amted young and on two consecutive seasons? Are the pups being DLR registered? I can't see the KC allowing this?

I'm sure the RCVS would not be impressed by this vet's actions either.

I am not sure if they are KC but she is 18 months so had them just after she was 12 months old I presume.

Surely if the bitch was aggressive with the stud either she was not of good temperament and should not have been bred from, or she wasn't ready to accept the stud - so still shouldn't have been mated on that/those occasions :( :(

Typical really of the money-makers, no consideration for the bitch, just get those little money bundles no matter how :(

Don't think the RCVS would be impressed with this,  does it happen with pigs, cattle, horses?  not the same thing I know ;) but perhaps it was the way the vet was thinking,  - still very wrong tho IMHO

We've had two bitches for stud who refused to stand.   No way would we sedate them.    The timing was reckoned to be accurate.

They both died of cancer within the year.

Coincidence?   I don't know.

Jo and the Casblaidd Flatcoats

"Don't think the RCVS would be impressed with this,  does it happen with pigs, cattle, horses?  not the same thing I know  but perhaps it was the way the vet was thinking,  - still very wrong tho IMHO"

As I remember it from my days on the farm, most cattle are AI mated if not they usually just run with the bul in the herd and therefore they may or may not mate. Sheep run loose with the ram, pigs I think are pretty much like cattle and AI or if with a boar you don't force the issue and never would you sedate any of these animals, so it just would not happen. Horses I'm not sure about, I just used to take mares to the stud, leave them there then collect them later when they were ready to come home.

So it doesn't happen then in farm animals :) didn't think it would, but wanted to be sure.  In that case can't imagine what the vet was thinking!

What a discusting display from a vet..I think he needs to be reported and to mate a bitch that young is ridiculous. The poor mite hasnt even finished developing herself. This person obviously does not have the welfare of any animal on his mind.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.Vets know BU**AR ALL about breeding.
Apology to those of you that are vets  or have an exceptional vet,but In my experience I almost always know more than they do

how many seasons a year does a bitch has and does a dog(male) have certain breeding times as well

What an odd question for someone with your username!

Anyway, the average bitch has two seasons a year, each lasting about 3 weeks. A male dog is in breeding condition 365 days a year, once mature.

Sounds like a standard vet question to me :D   Next they'll want to know is how long to leave it between boosters :D :D :D

Oh dear, feeling silly again .....

Teri ;)

if your not gonna help me don't reply with witty comments

Well I suppose it's a start that you've acknowledged that you need help ........

Fire away, Teri ;) 

Are you planning to mate your dog and bitch or avoid them mating??

LOL @ Teri ;)

i don't have a bitch or a dog im just wondering. bu my friends gonna mate his dog with a bitch some time early next year

does the bitch only be able to conceive when she's fully adult

he knows alot about breeding and that but i don't that's why i asking.

he's gonna sell the pup's to a dog training facility(guard and protection dogs)

if there's 8 pupp's it's gonna be 4 each if it 9 then 4 to the man and 5 to the friend.

Just as girls can become pregnant when they're not adult, so can bitches. It's cruel to breed from a bitch before she's mature. Of course, both dogs and bitches need to have passed all the breed-relevant health tests before they're mated.

With such a lot to learn before your friend takes on such a serious undertaking as breeding a litter of puppies, it would be a good idea if they joined the relevant breed club to learn from experts in the breed.

are you talking about me learning or them learning.

cos they all ready know and if they don't then there gonna do it anyway. there gonna do all vaccins and checks and everything.

Sounds like its already predecided, so why come on here asking nonsensical questions. Is it just to wind people up? Not a clever idea on here methinks :D

if you lot arn't gonna help then fine just say so don't ask stupid questions

Questions aren't stupid "vet" if good and relevant advice is going to be given. 
But I must say, that from the answers that you've given, I'll not be helping your 'friend' to produce puppies. :(

well isn't beter to help then to not help if u helping would say 2 puppies wouldn't you do it???

I'm sorry, I don't understand that question.

i think people are just a bit baffled as with having a user name as vet people would of assumed that you would know all this being a vet an all! :d

Doesn't "vet" in the US mean ex-services?  I'd put a fiver on that in this instance it doesn't mean veterinary surgeon :D

Vet would you mind going to seperate thread as don't really want this thread locked :)

many thanks

Lucy

you could be rite isabel.my first thought would of been vet tho! i would never of thought of that lol :d

'vet' - A misnomer if ever I heard one.

How are they going to do the x-rays that are required?

That is just sad, maybe the bitch wasn't even ready to stand :(

i don't understand wat u people are talking about now.

how do u close this thread thing

Vet, you said your friend was going to do the required checks. How is he going to do the x-rays?

in the vets and if the vets don't have it then there gonna askthem for a referal to where they can.

now how can i close this tread or do i close it by just not replying to anymore replies.

Just don't reply. It wasn't even your thread to close. ;)
:)