We have been approached by a couple who wish to use our dog as a stud for his bitch.

She is a lovely little dog, with a wonderful temperament although she is not KC registered..she was bred from a family dog with no papers.

They wish to breed her as they would like to keep a pup and have family and friends who would like pups.
I know I have a moral reposponsibilty towards the health and safety or the pups and will ask if we do decide to let him, that the bitch is health and eye checked before.

We arent sure what to do ...

She may seem to have a lovely temperament, but you can't really be sure of her background. Would you be wanting to keep one of the pups, should you go ahead? You may think you are doing this person a favour by kindly letting them use your dog as a stud but you will still have resposiblilities once these pups are born.

Regards
Amanda

This is what concerns me, that we dont know her back ground, I know she was bred from a family pet and thats about it really.

I dont want to cause uproar on here I was just so shocked that someone asked to use him....he is a very handsome dog with a great temperament but he isnt shown etc...

I'd have thought that you would know what the answer is going to be, if you've read any of the breeding threads on here ...............

Daisy

I hope you've got your tin hat on!  You've been around here long enough to know the answer to that question! :)

I know I know.....Im in for trouble!!!

I never considered using him as stud so it was quite a shock that someone asked to use him....

Tell me the con's!! I darent ask for pro's!!

You obviously have a very handsome dog. One of the cons is that because there is no paperwork/pedigree history you can only take the owners word that there have been no problems with her line - there is nothing to trace from. Even if health checks are passed with flying colours certain genes can be passed down, missing a generation.
I once had a lady stop me in the street to ask if she could use my bitch (toy poodle) and her dog (miniature poodle who was 10 yrs old) because she was affraid that when her dog passes over she would be lonely. She obviously thought that I was walking "dolly" the sheep.
"no" is a word I hate to use with nice people but on that occasion is was a quiet "no thankyou."

I'm sure you're very flattered that somebody would ask to use you beloved boy, and it's easy to get carried away with the honour of all, but you know in your heart that it's not the ideal situation, and you could be heading for trouble. Please think carefully, all the advice would be, don't do it!

Dawn R.

You will probaby find that as soon as they work out how much heath screening and eye testing will cost on their unregistered bitch they will go and find someone with lower standards. Personally, I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole but its your decision :)

I have cut and pasted something I posted just today about a similar enquiry:

>As regards to the responsibilities towards the puppies, yes, as someone equaly responsible for bringing them into the world you will be morally answerable for ensuring that they lead the life a dog should live in a home for life but at the same time you will have no say over how the bitch owner places the pups.  The solution to this dilemma is to allow you dog to be used in stud only to someone you know well or is known in the showing world to be a responsible breeder with the knowledge to vet home properly and the desire to place the pups with care.  Can you say that about this person you have just met? 

In addition to this if the bitch has no papers information as to her background may be sketchy and uncertain although she could have the relevent health tests under the KC/BVA schemes she would have to be registered under the activity list, do you think the owners are likely to go to the trouble and expense?
As regards family and friends wanting a pup you have to ask yourself if they really had room in their lives for a puppy and the ability to care for it properly why have they waited for the possibility of a relative breeding theres.  In my experience the people who have cooed over it when a puppy and said what a nice dog on their visits melt into thin air when it really comes to organising their lives around caring for a dog for 15 years.  Another aspect regarding selling to friends and relatives if the bitch owner says my brother wants one and you know her brother is a feckless creature who could not care for a goldfish let alone a dog how much say do you think you are going to have?

Hi Isabel, this is a bit off topic, but I have to say that the BVA do score hips and elbows and examine eyes of unregistered dogs. It's a debate I have been involved in many times in the past, and I also thought that unregistered dogs could not be done. So I asked the BVA directly, and they said yes, they did do unregistered dogs. Now the debate is on how useful that is in terms of breed records, as the scores of these dogs do not contribute to the KC health records.

Sorry, not deliberately trying to be pedantic, but I think it's important that acurate information is posted for the benefit of all. :)

Dawn R.

I thought they had to be registered on the activities register but you may be right I'm really not sure. :) 

Well this is the thing... I dont really like the thought of someone else having control and me not really having a say on whom homes the pups etc and I dont know if I  want the responsilility of it all.

Also as you have said the health of the bitch etc...I just think you have to be very very careful when breeding staffies. I dont like the thought of not knowing where the bitch has come from....

I was flattered that someone asked to use him he is a lovely dog but as I said I wouldnt use him myself ...
I think my decision has been made, I just wanted soemone to help me make up my mind

Hi Blondiflops.
The others have pointed out not being able to trace the history of this bitch.  I've also posted that last week that our local rescue had 33 dogs - 22 were Staffies or Staffie crosses!  It's amazing how all the people what say they want a puppy disappear when pups need their new homes! :(
I have no experience of males as I only keep bitches, but in the grooming parlour, when pet owners have used their dogs, they've invariably found that the dog becomes dirty indoors, cocking his leg, scent marking, just to let all the bitches in the area know that he's a boy and knows what to do with it!!  They've also found it difficult to let them off the lead as if they get the slightest whiff of a bitch in season, they're off looking for her!  I'm sure that some will tell you theirs are fine, but that's my experience.
I've bred many beautiful dogs who are in pet homes, but I wouldn't dream of asking the owners if I could use them because I wouldn't want to disrupt their 'quality pet life'.  All stud dogs that I use are kennel dogs who can strutt their stuff without peeing around their owners home!

I'm sure he is lovely :) so I hope you are not insulted when I point out that some of these offers come from people who would not know a good example of the breed if you threw it at them :rolleyes:

Well I know that they cant know much about staffies because he does have a fault hence why I wouldnt use him myself, he has a curly piglet tail

Im not insulted! :)

If you wouldnt use him yourself, then you know no-one else should use him. Its ever so flattering to be in your position, but I know you are aware that you shouldnt let your heart rule your head. And remember that these people could have been turned down by half a dozen others already!

HI, :-)  The money it would cost to breed a litter, stud expenses etc possible difficulties etc   they would be better to buy a decent KC registered puppy from a decent breeder and forget the litter. Really that is all I can say.  Without papers there is not proof that the dog is what she thinks and the pups will be hard to sell.

I think it is a very wrong move personally. 

People time and time again think their pet dogs has the best nature in the world BUT Mostly  all well bred dogs by good breeders who put the time and throught in produce well adjusted, well mannered , good temprement puppies and they are what is required by the breed standard and are KC reg. :-)

I wonder sometimes if people think they are going to get a cheap mating by using a pet no offence intended.  One of my puppies I sold to someone in wales is regularly asked to use him at stud she is not interested in doing so because she is worried about why they are asking.

It reminds me of a neighbour down the road. They have a chocolate labrador bitch. I was talking to the father one morning and just happened to mention that there was a nice choolate lab dog at our training classes. He asked me if I would ask the owner of the dog if he could be used at stud, as they wanted a litter from the bitch They hadn't even seen the dog :( Fortunately, I was able to tell him that the dog had been castrated as he had a major fault and so was not to be used. It makes you wonder how many people just see dog + bitch = puppies :(

Daisy

I can see what your all saying...but i got my staffy pup at 6 weeks old from a lady who mated her b***h with her sisters dog (both staffs) and my puppy is as gentle as they come :-D My puppy is not kc registared but is a pure breed.

Something you may not have considered but do you know these people well?? Is the dog actually theirs?  There are so many stolen dogs about at the moment and they would not be able to approach a proper breeder so finding someone like you whose a pet owner could be an ideal situation for them if they are lookign to profit.  Personally I'd take it as a compliment and say no.