Ive just come across this forum whilst looking for olde tyme bulldogs and seen a few posts about them, and was wondfering why there was such animosity againts them and there reason ( for the dorset wish has been around for over 20 years and being bred true to type rather than rogues crossing a KC with any thing and using the prefix 'olde tyme' to cash in on, wish i dont agree with). But what is wrong with a breeding program to recreate the bullodg of olde, wish is without doubt a healthy type of bulldogh to the kc of today. I have read that people say all they are is a cross/mongrel but then how did the bulldog of the 1800/1900's evolve into the kc bulldog? Surely it was crossed with something to create the distorted dog that it has now become so then wouldnt that make all bulldog mongrels? Also people saying thay shouldnt be allowed in the kc as thay are cross's, what is a bullmastiff which is reconised in the kc which come about by crossing the mastiff with the orignal bulldog (60/40% respectivley) but they are pedigrees are they?

First of all I am not against Olde tyme bulldogs at all and I would not be as nasty and say things about them that are not true or I know little about. This you have already done to a breed I so dearly love, the English Bulldog. You have said it is "unhealthy" which is not true, they have no more problems than any other dog if bred and cared for properly, and also you called them "distorted", why are you being so nasty about a breed? I suggest you do some research before slating another breed. Are you just trying to start an arguement?

Must be a fan of Emma Milne, who calls breeds that she really knows nothing about!

if he likes the olethyme ones,thats fine & if TL likes the english bulldog,thats great too! there are enough dogs ,pure,x whatever to please everybody isnt there?

but the guest really shouldnt be slating any breed,especially one so closely related to the one he prefers.

Hi Micheal

I think there is room for all types of dog, I am sure you love your breed very much and therefore it isn-t a problem that it is KC registered is it?  Should you wish to discuss why the old tyme is not KC registered then you would be best taking this up with the Kennel Club themselves.  I really do not think it is wise to come on a dog lovers board and slate so many breeds in one post.  My chosen breed is the bulldog and yes they can have health problems, but the good breeders out there are trying to do something about this and breed out these faults. 

they are cross bred dogs otherwise the kc would recognise them wouldnt they!!! its up to you which type of dog you like but some of us work damned hard to get healthy bulldogs and i agree with the other posts,bulldogs are no different to any other dog if kept well and looked after properly.if as you say they are distorted then i cant think why youd want anything like a bulldog.each to their own i suppose
louzola

Actually i dont own either dog but am a fan of all breeds, and i have been doing my research into bulldogs for about teh past year as i was wishing to own one. But on my research and talking to past owners i was sadly put of. My friend has a kc and she is adorable! im sure many breeders do their best to try and breed healhty kc and all credit to them in doing so. Distorted may have been harsh, wasnt so much to slate but to describe their shape, build. sorry to have affended the bulldog lovers. No argument was intended to be started, more a question to ask why there was such animosty to the two breed owners. Im sure the kc fullfil their owners need as much as the dorsets do theirs. But for me a dog that has trouble breathin, and can struggle to do 20 min walk. (you cant argue that they dont, although im not saying that is a requirement that all dogs must met. But it surely cant be that healthy if it cant, can it?) Im sure there are a few kc's that can participate in alot of exercise, and self whelp and dont have trouble breathing through their increasingly squashed up faces. But i think teh number that dont totally out weigh them that do.
Sorry just my opinion that prob is worth its penny.

i havent seen many bulldogs,but out of the ones ive seen only a few wouldnt have been able to live a active life. this is true in all breeds though,bad examples of any breeds

I only see animosity coming from your part Micheal, as I said I have no qualms with people breeding the old tyme, the only problem I have is that everytime someone comes onto the board to discuss the old tyme, it always ends up in the same old argument, my youngest Gladis has the energy of a springer, whilst Hilda is very different altogether but she was a rescue.  Yes, some of the breed do have their problems, (like every breed), but I do not think it is going to benefit anyone by dwelling on these, things are being done by the good bredders out there to correct their faults.

you should see my mindy,shes fast,can walk a good 3 mile and whelped a litter of nine two years ago,hows that for being healthy!! its the pet market breeders you have to be careful of, so if your looking for a bulldog you should go to a good reputable well known breeder,
louzola

My only problem with olde tyme bulldogs is the word BULLDOG
many people are buying these alternative bulldogs thinking they are getting the
low to the ground traditional bulldog,which isnt fair on the dog,the owner or other bulldogs.

Well said Carolyn, and thank you all for your support. They should not be called bulldogs if they are not KC registered. The bulldog ancestors were actually called Mastiffs or Banddogge, so why are these not used instead of "olde tyme bulldogs"?

There is no reason why a bulldog can not walk for longer than 20 minutes, you build it up gradually and they can walk alot further. The "squashed" noses as you put it, are in other breeds to, such as pugs and some KCCS, their breathing is noisy but fine in every other way. The only problem I can think that bulldogs do suffer with is the heat, as they can not pant like other dogs, but this is the case for all short nosed breeds and alot of dogs do not like the heat.

The ones that used to come to our training club were very fit and could of given some of the breeds there a run for their money. 

Well what should they be called then?  They do happen to be decendants of Bulldogs, so whats wrong with the word Bulldog?

Its like me saying I have a problem with Bull Terriers, as theres only one Bull Terrier we all know thats not true so I cannot see the problem :rolleyes:

There you go a Bull terrier is a bull terrier people know what they are getting and there is no play on words.

It has gotten to the point where the bulldog breed council are having to pay for adverts to
advise people of the difference.

There are obvious differences between the Olde Tyme Bulldog and the Bulldog, for goodness sake Olde Tyme Bulldogs have that prefix before the word Bulldog - plus the differences between the two breeds are clear to see.  Just like people can see obvious differences between Bull Terriers and Staffs - but the word Bull Terrier is still in the word Staffordshire.....
And people still get confused.

What would you prefer they were called? Apart from "Mutts" all the time :rolleyes:

Excuse me Mollmoo, but get off your high horse for one minute please.

And I dont have a high horse to get off thank you very much, Oh my you lot do panic when the word Olde Tyme Bulldog is mentioned don`t you?

glad we make you laugh,go chat about your own MUTTS!! HE HE

My dogs are recognised by the KC I dont own any breeds that are not recognised by the KC.  But I can AND DO admire them ;)

so why do you always go against our kc bulldogs then mollymoo,i honestly think you love winding people up on here and i havnt seen you give anybody good advice about their dogs,you really are a negative person,especially about bulldogs,you assume you know a lot about them and its not even your breed!

here here.

Why have you just removed some of your post Mollmoo? I wonder.........................?

I havent removed, so get your facts right I edited theres a difference ;)

Touchy! O.k then, why did you see the need to edit such a well worded post?

No not touchy just giving as good as I get, nothing wrong with that !

I especially liked the "bulldog brigade" bit :-D

hmmm i liked that bit too! bulldog brigade,how dare you,guess theres more bulldog lovers than you thought girl!!

We are now officially "the bulldog brigade" anyone want to join? It's free, lol he he he :-D Sorry admin, couldn't resist that one ;-)

Yes you all come from one place like those of us on the mastini board and kick up a stink, only those of us from the mastini board dont need each other to back one another up.

I cant be bothered with this board anymore it stinks and so do the folk on it.

its actually you that kicks up a stink,everytime anyone chats about bulldogs you are there,are you sure you havnt owned one before,if not then leave the advice to us that do own them and know what we are talking about
louzola

goodbyeee

missing you already..................................NOT

Oh thank you very much :(

We do get some lovely people on here .......... :( ;)

Daisy

>I cant be bothered with this board anymore it stinks and so do the folk on it.

Much appreciated. :(

After you with the deodorant JG! :)

Hi Mollmoo

That is not necessarily true though is it??????  I know from previous experience that those on your board, have found it hilarious to come on here and wind up the bulldog lovers in droves, I can-t understand how people get their kicks from this, but whatever floats your boat :D

Oh-oh - does this call for chill-out dust??

Margot

O and just before I do go Tigerlily, I know of at least one Olde Tyme litter that was sired by a Lynn Manns Bulldog, so when you help slate the Olde Tyme, you help slate the very lines your own dog is from ;)

Oh and louzola or what ever your name is, on the odd thread I have "dished" out advice other than contributing to Bulldog threads on an open forum.  Check my posts love and you will see.

Goodnight all ;)

I have never slated the olde tyme bulldog, now you need to get your facts right, I, unlike you, like all breeds of dog and have respect for them all. And why bring personal stuff into this, really don't think that is fair do you? Definately below the belt and uncalled for. I don't know who you are or where you are from, but to be honest, I don't want to know as you really don't come accross like a very nice person, well at least on here anyway.

I really don't think bringing a breeders name into this is approriate, especially where she has devoted her life to breeding healthy and good quality English Bulldogs. Just proves what level you are willing to drop to to try and prove your point. I haven't got time for people like that. :-(

Just one more thing Mollmoo, you go on about how the Olde tyme is a breed of it's own with generations of pure breeding, so why is a Lynmans dog needed to sire a litter? That would make them cross breeds wouldn't it?

I am extremely proud of my dog and his lines.

how dare you use lynn manns name like this,she would never put her well bred dogs to a cross breed
louzola

Probably is one that she bred Louzola, rather than one that she now owns.

What often happens is that puppy producers use the name of a well known kennel to give their pups some credibility, even if the only well bred dog in the pedigree is in the 5th generation!!

yes i bet this is the case here.

lynn manns is a very well respected breeder whos dogs have sired many champions,not some mongrels,you really are a nasty piece of work mollmoo,put a sock in it!!

I havent removed, so get your facts right I edited theres a difference ;)

God I give up with you lot.

At last, some peace.;-)

we all know that a tibetan spaniel isnt a spaniel for instance ;)

Yes but if all, of the old tyme breeders so detest the bulldog (as we hear only too often), why on earth would you want to be associated with this breed

oh yes! see your point!!!