Er isn't that what Labs do LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ;)

And almost every other breed!!!

Quite!

They are not.  And come on - what's going on here?  You all seem to be sensible people, but where the good god do you think dogs came from? Cats?  No - WOLVES!  They are genetically identical to dogs.  THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PEKINESE AND A WOLF - only in looks thanks to man.

I'm really getting very annoyed.  I have come onto the site for the first time, and admittedly been a tad controversial, but despite my efforts to crack a joke and lighten up the atmosphere, I've just been met with a hail of hostility.  I wish I hadn't bothered.

are you saying a puma has the same traits as a common tabby moggie? I think not.

not having a go, just having heated discussion, its healthy, its called communicating ;)

Yeah, I agree, a heated discussion is great, but some people just go too far.  Yes, I think I would probably say a puma has the same traits as your average moggie.  I know nothing about cats, intensely dislike them actually, but yes, basically my logic tells me, apart from the huge disparity in size, they are members of the Cat family.  Loners, unpredictable, carnivorous.

:rolleyes:

WOLVES!  They are genetically identical to dogs
That's interesting.  Roger Palmer who started the UK Wolf Conservation Trust, told me that wolves were .03% genetically different to dogs.

see posting above - I'm .1% out - or whatever (I'm rubbish at maths - always get the point in the wrong place!)

No - YOU said that they were IDENTICAL!!  And that's just not true.

Yes, I did, I didn't realise that not only is this the Site of the Hair Splitter - it is also the site of extreme Pedantism as well

I'm off - nite nite

There is an awful lot of hair splitting on this site!

No, not hair splitting.  But we do our best to make sure that anyone doing a search doesn't find incorrect information on this site!

Yes, I'm sure you do, which is why I have gone to great lengths to answer Moonmaiden's question about Horand aka Hektor - see my posting.

GSDs as I stated were bred from wolves.  This site will now show the correct information, you will be glad to hear.

As far as I have read the wolf and dog share a long ago ANCESTOR, the Wolf has coninued to evolve alongside the domestic dog.  The dog has a round pupil the wolf does not.  Modern wolves no longer have dew claws, most dogs still do.  The trsits that mke a dog suitable to live with man have been selected for over centuries, and this means many traits have been toned down.

You say your dog is excellent with other dogs.  This would not be the case with a Wolf or a mature Wolf Hybrid, and is not the case in some of the more primitive Spitz breeds.  The reason for this is that they are very tyerritorial and would kill or see off any invaders from another pack.

I thought domestic dogs originated from Dingos and not wolves?

Exactly my thoughts - the wolf is not the only wild dog.

<The latest DNA research on Dingoes (Dr. A. Wilton UNSW Australia, Professor P. Savolainen Royal Institute of Technology Sweden) indicates the time of the arrival of dingoes in Australia at about 5000 years ago. The oldest dingo fossil remains found in Australia are dated at 3,500 years. This was the remains of an 18 week old subadult. Dr. Wilton has said, "The DNA findings suggested dingoes descended from a very small number of dogs brought from South East Asia..the data would fit a single female that was pregnant." (Sydney Morning Herald 30th September 2003)
The Australian Dingo was never exposed to artificial selection by man which produced all the modern breeds of domestic dogs. The Australian Dingo has evolved in isolation up until European settlement. The pure dingo is descendent from the wolf and it is believed domestic dogs originated from dingoes. It is seen as the last ancient living link between the wolf and the hundreds of manmade breeds of dogs.>

Can't be much ore inbred than that over 5,000 years to all go back to one bitch ! & the Aussie dingoes are mega successful !

This notion has been replaced by the more modern understanding that all domesticated dogs that have been studied so far - some 50 - 60 breeds, originally arose from 4 wolf bitches.  The reason they have been able to determine this is by studying the mitochondrial RNA.  This genetic material is different from the normal DNA in that it is passed down through the female line more or less unchanged, so it is very useful for conducting this type of study.

Of course, there has been more or less continuous interbreeding between dogs and wolves since these early origins.

I'm waiting for my apology about Hektor!

Scientific research shows that wolves are in fact less aggressive than domestic dogs.  They are cowards and will always tend to avoid trouble wherever possible.  They are very sociable and have a strong pack instinct, more strong than your average dog.  They are territorial, but will not fight with another pack without extremely strong provocation.  I believe I am right in saying that one of the reasons that wolves howl as a pack is because they are announcing to other packs (who are equally as reluctant to be aggressive as they are) that "we are here, this is our territory, keep away, and there'll be no trouble".  Each pack tries wherever possible to avoid trouble.

I think you are suffering from the Little Red Riding Hood syndrome - it could not be further from the truth.

But if they meet, which is what happens when we take them for a walk in the park then they would fight.  Nature has evolved systems to limit confrontation.

Also I beleive that the chimp and man are almost identical genetically, but that little bit sure as hell makes a LOT of difference.

The Sarloos Wolf Dogs have a typically primitive temperament being suspicious etc which are traits I would expect from something that has 50% wolf even though the breed has been established and bred true for quite some time with no new Wolf introdcution.

They are not suitable as Pets for most people.  There are quite a lot of breeds, like some of the Russian ones that are not suited to modern humna society and the restrictions they apply to the natural insticts of a dog or even more so a Wolf.

Adding Wolf to the dogs gene pool is a step backwards as regards the domestic dog amking it less duitable for doemesticity, as you admit yourself, extreme seperation anxxiety etc.  Not something to be encouraged.

The US and Canadian Expereince of true Wolf hgybrids has often been dangerous when the traits of high prey drive and other wild traits combined with the lack of fear of man from the dog have combined in such a way as to end up with a dangerous animal.