does anyone know where i can find the details of the legislation on this? (please note that i totally agree with the ban) they are trying to bring the ban in in australia and i am looking for our legislation here to give them some idea of it.

Thanks in advance

Emma
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Although we totally suppport the SayNo Group there is no legislation on the banning of pet shops.  If you study the consultation paper of the AWB, the concensus of opinion  is that  businesses would suffer if pet shops were closed. Also Pet Care Trust  is totally opposed to the closure of same. Austria and Netherlands are  leading the way on animal welfare issues which we hope the UK will follow, but it is a struggle.  We are now approaching it from a different angle but cannot, at this stage tell you how.

so are you saying, although we are all under the impression its illegal to sell pups/dogs cats/kittens in pet shops, it actually not??

i am sorry but your reply confused me

Hi Emma, it's not illegal for pet shops to sell puppies and kittens. It is immoral though in my opinion, and many of us wish it were illegal and would welcome legislation to that effect.

Dawn R.

Edited to add, Pet shops that do sell puppies and kittens have to be licenced by the local authority.

well i am in shock !!
i thought it was banned here years ago, pets shops (around here anyway) dont sell them and havent for many years, i have heard others saying the same,

can someone tell me why some stopped then?

(sorry to be a pain, i am just researching for friends in OZ )

The smaller ones probably saw the need for licencing as too much hassle.

Harrods, for instance sells puppies and kittens, I've seen them for myself. There are also some quite big puppy supermarkets around too. I won't name names as it would be as good as an advert for them.

Dawn R.

ah so they need a special licence to sell them ? and those that have £££ in their eyes got the licence and still sell them ?

well i am glad there is nowhere within 75 miles of me (i am sure) has such a licence !!!

Emma
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can anyone supply details of the licence application? this may be the route for Australia to go down prior to an all out ban would would be FAB worldwide

To sell any animals (not just puppies and kittens) a pet shop needs a licence, which is issued by the local council, so fees vary. One council has this information on its website.

[link http://www.webtribe.net/~shg/Pet%20Animals%20Act%201951%20(1951%20c%2035).htm]The Pet Animals Act 1951[/link] is the relevant legislation.

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Hi Mumford16.
I know how you feel! It is crewl. But!! people make money out of it.
I would like to see all puppys  Mic. Chiped or tatooed. with owners
details. It would be better than any dog lic.
I remember being in Benidorm Spain and there was a pet store
with a Samoyed puppy in a cage. in the sun, chewing the bars.
It broke my heart, if I thought I could have got it home, I would have
But!! as you know you can't.[Samoyeds are my love]
Then a couple was walking down the road with a malmute, very handsome
puppy dog.
They told me, there had been a litter of them in a plastic bag waiting for the bin men.
To collect.The others, were so bad they had to have them put to sleep.
They managed to save this one, and it was a little beauty.
It does worry you though!
Regards
Denese

My latest rescue collie was bought from a Central London Pet Shop, then past on to the sister because he was driving them mad and then onto Battersea because he chased the kittens! :rolleyes: Now he is a flyball and agility dog. :-) So no, it is not illegal, although it should be.

I think they should ban the selling of non cage species as pups/kittens through anyone but the breeder or stud dog owner. 

That would make mass production and selling much harder and more labour intensive. 

Also more people seeing how the so called breeder kept their dos might mean an improvement in their livign conditions or more reports to the authorities by would be owners when things were found to be bad.

It would also make the breeder more accountable to the new owner if the pup was unfit to be sold, as the owner would know whence it came.

i know its not really right to sell pets in pet shops but i have spent alot of my time in australia where they sell pets in the pet shops and they are very well looked after,where we should really be trying to get a ban is in places such as spain,it is horrendous how they keep them there.
they have all sorts in tiny little cages:chinchillas,mice,rats,terripins,snakes,puppies,kittens,rabbits,guinea pigs,hamsters
i was heartbroken to see about ten little baby rabbits in a tiny cage in very hot temperatures and one was dead,my mum told the lady working there and she just picked it up and discared it in a bin without saying a word.i was shocked,what was even worse was the poor chinchillas.
i have 4 chinchillas and so it upset me to see two chinchillas in one cage  and two tiny new born chinchillas,they where only about 2  days old as when i had looked in the pet shop a couple of days earlier they where not there,i dread to think what happned to the poor babies.
i know it is still horrible for pets to sold here but at least most of them will go to nice homes and have the chance for a proper life.

Coco they may be appear to have been looked after in the pet shops but what about the mums and dads of the pups? I really dont think they would be well looked after,and when theyre breeding days are over i dread to think how they are disposed of :( Pet shops only get their pets from irresponsible puppy farmers who do no health test,mate this dog to that cos they might produce cute pups,as no responsible or caring dog mater,not breeder, would sell theyre babes to a pet shop!

that is true, but shouldnt the rspca be doing something though?one of the reasons spain has these problems is because they dont have anything like the rspca,are there many pet shops in the uk who sell animals?i didnt realise australia would have the puppy farm problem.

I dare say every country has the puppy farming problem,where there's pet shops selling pups there will be 10 or more farmers waiting in the wings :(

what does your friend from austrailia say about this problem down there? I dare say if they are trying to ban it then they have just as bigger problem as we have here??

it was the other woman who had a friend there,i lived there for a few years but never heard anything about it,they have the rspca and things so i didnt think there was much of a problem,but i guess any pet shop which sells puppies must get them from a puppy farm.

Yes, Australia does have a puppy farm problem that is why they are trying to ban puppies sold from pet shops. Australia is also a massive exporter of puppies to the Far East, again to feed the pet shop trade.