are there 2 types of premate tests ?One going more into depth than the other? If so where can i get the more in depth one done near me as asked my vet said he only did the other one where result is back in about half an hour. I live north wales can i get this test done and results back the same day? if so WHERE

One is a blood asay and will take 24 to 48 hours, so leaves you a bit short if the result is mate in 24 to 48 hours, but is more acurate.

I had thelatter done on a Friday when my bitch was refusing the dog on day 15, and we thought we had a slip mating.  We continued trying until the result was back on the Monday which confirmed she had already ovulated probably on the Thursday so no point trying ehr pas Monday, so really it was to check if she was late ovulating or just not interested, sadly the latter.

16 months previously she had 3 of the kit tests.  As I knew her cycle form trying to get her mated on the previous season to that, which showed she probably ovulated around day 12 (going by the dog). We started testing on day 10 which showed she was close but hadn't ovulated yet.  So next day still the same, and the day after that showed she was ovulating (day 12).

So on day 13 wee took her to the dog we had tried the previous season and tried to mate her right up to day 15am.  We were getting absolutely no-where so travelled 4 hours to another dog.  she still would have none of it, nor the next day, until finally on trying in the evening he manged to get her while her attention was briefly distracted.  She was not best pleased but they had already tied. 

Fortunately for me this resulted in a litter of just four pups, and luckily a little bitch for me, who is now 18 months old, and going to her first Crufts being only old enough by a few days last year to do discover dogs.

WELL AT LEAST YOU HAD PUPS MY PROBLEM IS MY FAULT LOOKING BACK]wiser after the fact]BUT MY BITCH HAS NEARLY QUIET SEASONS SO I TRY ABOUT A MONTH BEFORE SHE,S DUE TO WATCH HER LIKE A HAWK IN CASE I MISS HER ANYWAY DID THE ORDINARY PREMATE TEST TOLD ME WHEN SHE WAS READY AND OFF WE GO[took a risk maiden bitch/maiden dog]WISER AFTER THE FACT BUT HAD TWO GOOD MATINGS. NO PUPS RETURN MATING NEXT TIME 3 GOOD MATINGS NO PUPS BUT HAVE NOW FOUND DOG SINCE MATED A BITCH LATER NO PUPS .BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GIVE MY GIRL THE BEST CHANCE THIS NEXT TIME SO GOING TO PROVEN DOG AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FULL PREMATE TEST BUT I,M WORRIED IN CASE LIKE YOU IT BEING 24/48 HOURS TO WAIT I COULD MISS HER

You'll not miss her but you will have to be ready to go straight away.  bitches eggs are ovulated immature so won't be fertilizable for 2 days after ovulation, ans will still be viable for another two days.

Hence why my bitch mated late on day 16 still conceived (albeit small litter) 4 days after ovulation.  My problem is unwillingness to be mated, she would rather do that to the male, she obkects to the act o mating even though she will alow flirting and mounting, but no more, trying to fool her a second time didn't work, and she is too strong to hold, and I don't beleive in forcing a mating anyway.

Maybe you should try what I am intending and have her stay with the dog right through the season.

I have only ever had one of these done so I dont know the difference between them but Tigs had a blood test and I was given the result in a hour which was just as well as we had to take her that day.

One of my girls had premate tests, she actually got pregnant 6 days BEFORE the premate said she would be  ready in 48 hours!  So now I just rely on instinct.

This is the one where you get the results in an hour, and goes by colour results.

My bitch flatly to be mated the first time we tried, though  she was definately ready so on her next season she went to stay with the SDOwner from Day 1. It certainly worked for her as she had two copybook matings at 12 and 14 days with no fuss at all. As your bitch is a bit silent - I would recommend you do the same, though only if the stud dog is the exerienced sort that only bothers with bitches when they are dead right. Best of luck.

IF IT,S AT ALL POSSIBLE I,LL TRY FOR HER TO STAY BUT I KNOW THE STUD DOG OWNER WORKS AND MY BITCH IS A HOUSE DOG ALTHOUGH I CAN LEAVE HER FOT4/5 HOURS IF IREALLY NEEDED TO SHE HAS HER FRIEND WHO IS ALSO A BITCH FOR COMPANY SO I THINK IN A STRANGE ENVIROMENT SHE PROBABLY GET STRESSED.THE JOURNEY TO TRAVEL IS QUITE A LONG ONE CHESTER TO KENT THATS WHY I.M ENQUIRING ABOUT THE OTHER PREMATE WHICH IS MORE ACCURATE

I found that my bitch always snaps at the dog once she feels his penis touch her so we muzzle her and then she stands still like an angel!

This is the probelm I have with my bitch who I ahve managed to mate only once.  she is currently on day 15 and the dog is desperate (squeaked all last night).  She has got to the stage of being happy enough to stand and have him mount (he has been here patiently biding his time sicne day 3 not showing any interest until evening of day 12, and being really keen sicne last night), but as soon as he hits the target she bucks him out.  I have have tried holding her, but she then rolls (incredible how strong she is) so looks like we will fail again :(  If he could just push his advantage home (as he did two years ago) when she does stand, but I suspect she tenses up. 

He is an experienced stud and even mated a bitch from abroad in the services within a minute of introductions.

I think this is when AI would be useful if it couldbe done easily in the UK without all the major documentation etc.

Hope you get her mated Brainless.  I would imagine it is far more difficult to convince a big dog that she should stand than a little one on the table :-)

Took her to the vet this morning and she was OK having a digital exam.  Got home and she is standing but so bored with it all and the poor boy just gets all steamed up and she sits down or moves away :D

This is a lot beter than her flat refusal to do anything other than mount him last time.  She still thinks it very funny and much more fun to mount him and show him how it's done, and boy would she make a firm stud if she had the equipment :D

LOL, I think they don't like the control taken away and that is why they act this way.   Just like us woman :-D

When I mated my first home bred girl.. Jezz you think she was going to be murdered, she screamed and the dog wasn't even near her.  :-)  She eventually gave in after a while.

I had a lady use my dog at stud recently and the bitch was the exact same, day 13 and still she would not stand. I suggested she did the premate testing as I have had 100% success with it myself but don't like to push it on people as it can be costly , her vet didn't do it so my vet said he would , low and behold she wasn't ready till day 17 and did stand no problem then.   I think that is one of the reasons I like the tests also.

I have had premates done on two past occasions that both showed she had ovulated day 12, as the dog had previously indicated by being keen day 14 to 16.  On the first occasion we managed to get one mating at the end of day 16 with a small litter born five days early (indicating she was caught late).  Last time we tried her same thing premate showed she had ovulated tried her day 15 to 17 and no way was she going to allow that.

We tried restraining her but that just totally freaked her out, nto liek her at all, but she is very wilful and taking the choice from her just wasn't going to work.

She is OK if I lightly hold her coallr and stop her moving forward, so am keeping my fingers crossed that the dog will just stop panitng rest a bit and go for broke a little later.

Sicne last night though if I part him from ehr he just cries, so he islying by her side now panting his head off, after another failed effort :(

Oh dear :-(  we will keep all the toes and fingers crossed that they uncross everything for you :-D ;-)

Thing is if you let 2 crossbreeds loose in the street they mate no problem and likewise PFarmers, stick the dogs in shed and produce healthy huge litters with no probs  but most decent breeders seem to get every trouble or hurdle possible ..

Until her it was take bitch to dog watch them mate and bring bitch home, never had such an opinonated girl before.

Well we had a couple of nearly there attempts, but she moved even though I was distracting her attention and holding her, straight away she jumped on him giving her the benefit of her expert tuition. :D

I think the poor dog will just decide it isn't worth the effort!!!!

lol,sounds like you have your work cut out for you brainless.i think meg was like that as befor i got her she lived with an other male and female.she had 1 succesful mating in the 4 years they were togeather.after the first time she refused to do it again.lol
obviosley she didnt think it was wat it was cracked up to be,sounds about rite lol! :d

Success!!!

7.50pm tonight

She was standing but every time he hit the mark she would tuck her butt and
then scoot off and mount him!

She had no problem with me holding her but still dropped her butt as soon as he hit home.  Thankfully he was experienced enough to know he hadn't got all the way so at least we didn't have him sowing on stony ground!

This evening she was again riding him so my son said he would help as he could see the boy was not close enough to his target.

Well with his help I was able to keep my hand fanned out in her groin and held her up at the crucial moment and we had success.  I spent the 25 minutes of the tie with her draped across my lap. 

She had a right panic when after 5 minutes or so he went to turn and I had to hold onto her tight as silly moo was trying to do the turning and lifting her hind foot off the ground (seriously confused sexuality), so my son was able to help get the boys foot over her back. 

Every few minutes she would try and roll and buck as she found the
tie most irksome, what a drama queen!  Throughout of course the lad is
standing steady perfectly composed in contrast to his rather prostrated
bride.

Judging by previous premate tests on previous seasons day 15 should bee spot on for best results.  Whether we get another mating tomorrow or next day is debateable, but will be happy with just one if she doesn't warm more to the practicality rather than just the idea.

She was certainly a lot happier this time than last season, with being able to come around to the idea more rather than just being presented with a rampant male all of a sudden.

So keep your fingers crossed for Mid July babies.

Hooray..LOL  thank goodness..

I hope you get what you want from this litter brainless after all of this..  :-))

I think that is the key thing to get the bitches back end under control.. ;-)

Fingers crossed ..

Great news Barbara :)   She's certainly been giving you all the run around!
Everything crossed here that it's all systems go for round two  :P

Good luck, Teri

Excellent! (Still chuckling at the prostrated bride!! :D)

Just out of curiosity, I wonder if she's g*y? One of my bitches (we never even tried to mate her) had absolutely no interest in boys even when she was in season, but is still keen to do the humping. Her mum, on the other hand, was always Flirty Gerty from Number Thirty ...

I am quite convinced that she could be.  I know all bitches hump but she always wats to do the running.  right through this seson as soon as she got to evening of day 12 (when in the past was the day she ovulated, so expoect the same this time) she is eager to mount anything in reach.

Since the boy started trying in ernest on sunday she would jump on him when he hadn't manged her and humped him like mad tucking her butt under as they do to reach their target.

I think as I pointed out her response to a dog trying to penetrate is to tuck her bum under and thrust, therby making it impossible for the dog to hit the spot.  The trying to turn was hilarious but could have caused injury if I hadn't been holding her.

I have heard it postulated that some bitches can be very masculine if they were between two male whelps in the uterus being influenced by their male hormones (those responsible for differentiating boys from girls during development).  She certainly is a substantial bitch with bags of attitude much more reminiscent of male ego!!!

She is also a mature bitch of 5 1/2 with just the one litter at nearly 4 (same dog and just as hard to mate).

All my other bitches have been proper little sluts, the oldest was a bit cold, with a lie back and think of England attitude, but the rest were very eager.  Now Jozi has never lacked Libido in season, she would hump her companions, bedding and generally act all excited when mating time was reached.

I have my doubts about the influence of the male hormones from other pups in the womb - my Clover (the girly tart) was the only bitch in a litter of seven pups!

Oh well :D  I do think though that maybe some bitches and dogs can be Gay though and not in the general sense as any port in a storm when in season or showing dominance, but geneine orientaion.  Only good thing is that it is unlikely to be hereditary as Gay people rarely have Gay children.

I am still convinced it is the total issue with a few of them.. Very strange subject now :-D but I guess dogs can be gay just like humans.. Wonder if anyone knows.

Just hope after this we get a good healthy litter. :-)

Gay people rarely have children at all!

ROFLOL :-D

its got nothing to do with being gay! or sex. with dogs its just dominance. Both my bitches are in season and the oldest has been humping the younger for days- even though she has also been mated 3 times by the stud dog. yesterday the youngster was humping the eldest- it was very funny.

>with dogs its just dominance.

It's far more complicated than that! ;)

Sure is with her, as instead of helping things along by lifting her hindquarters earlier today she started pelvic thrusts as soon as the dog had penetrated so that he got thrown out and immediately leapt onto him :D

Still hoping for a sedcond mating, otherwise I am not going get any sleep tonight as he is desperate for her.

I think you should have the video set up for us Brainless. It would be a sight to see :-D

Got a second mating at 10.15 when my son got home from Youth club, he must be a positive influence on her, though at 14 he found it all a bit uncool:D

She still needed restraining during the tie when she by turns lay across my knees or tried to buck free, he was of course totally unconcerned.

Fantastic. :-) We know where to send all our problem bitches now Brainless :-D  by the sounds of it if you got her you can get anything.. 

Fingers crossed she takes OK.. :-)

Oh I do hope so and I hope I can get a really nice bitch for the people that have been waiting ages for this particular litter.  I did get a litter of four in Sept 03, and a dog and bitch have been doing quite well for me and the other owner.

congratulations brainless. lol you had me in stitches ide love to off been a fly on the wall. :d she sounds like a rite little madam.lol im very surprized you managed it. hope to be hearing of the birth of your puppies july time! :)

Well I must say I am surprised I amaged it too, as last time of trying was a disater and all we managed was a brief slip mating and a very wound up bitch. 

This time in her own home with the dog having been around since day 3 of her season she has been able to come around to the idea at least, even if her idea of what should happen to whom is way off base.

I can see why owners of large breeds need so many assistants in case things don't go smoothly.  Trying to hold up two dogs weighing 21.5 and 23kg (over 100lb together) with one hand in the bitches groin takes some doing.

Oh yes this is Jozi, right little madam she is.  she has bags of perdonality that she uses to embarrrass me no end, but at the same time she is the most affectionate and loveable creatuyre that people are inclined to forgive her.

The judge doing the Champion stakes at Birmingham said 'Oh she is on best behaviour today' as he had seen her before in Puppy stakes, Non CC breed clsses at a champ show as a Yearling and also in the Group.

Well done Brainless.  I do hope all goes well. :)

LOLOL this brings back memories of helping a friend mate her Newfie bitch to a gorgeous dog, no problems wih either of them until they tied when the dog went to sleep & the bitch didn't Trying to keep a large 14 stone newfie on his feet took three of us Thankfully at the next mating the bitch went to sleep as well, only she pinned her Mum under her :D :O

lol.this topic has certanly made me giggle! :) all tho im sure it was no laughing matter for you at the time! :)

LOL we all ended up sitting on chairs luckily there were 5 of us one for the bitch, three for the dog & one to make the coffee & bring the chairs ;)

Just an update folks.

Todayn is day 25 since her first mating.  I ahve a lovely Kiwi vet who is very good at palpation, never been wrong with my bitches or those of freinds I have sent him.  He was able to confirm that he could definately feel that she is in whelp.

So if she is anything last time she could have ehr litter any time from 14th July though due 18th.

Now keep your fingers crossed for a quality litter for those waiting on the outcome.

That's fantastic, Brainless! I'm delighted all your efforts with Madam have paid off!

Many congrats Brainless :D  Makes all that hard work worth while!

Hope you get everything you're wishing for, Teri :)

Excellent News Brainless.  Fingers crossed for a nice litter. :-D