colliesrus 09.05.05 13:41

>They say it doesn't hurt, so if that is true, how the hell does it work? <

Davedee
Static Stimulation in Perspective.

Although this paper is dedicated to remote electronic training collars I feel it is appropriate to clarify what static stimulation is and place it in its wider context and perspective of uses. It is erroneous to think of it as specific to e-training collars and thoughts of electricity being involved should be put aside because of the historical and normal connotations to electrical sensation.

In the case of any external devices deliberately designed to cause a sensation a specific number of electrical waves pass between the contact points bouncing off the surface of the skin, say for instance 1000 waves per second. It is the number of bounces on the skin surface per sec which is usually known as 'the intensity'. If the speed of the waves bouncing along the skin surface was slowed down to 500 bounces per sec the sensation would decrease, speed up to 2000 waves and the sensation would increase in 'intensity level'.

If 1000 bounces per sec reached an accumulated point of discomfort whereby it distracted someone from 'doing' something after 6 sec and the discomfort ceased at the point the behaviour changed then the cessation of the behavioural action would reinforce or reward the correct behaviour action and strengthen it.

As shown in the graphs the working functionality of a modern e - training collar is based on the accumulation of a static stimulus sensation which is not dependant on one element alone making up the level of sensation ( i.e. intensity ) needed for whatever training purposes you are aiming at, it is based on two elements.

If you start to scratch your arm at a level which is uncomfortable but not an overwhelming intensity and continue at that level you will soon find it becomes uncomfortable to a point that you discontinue the behaviour = discomfort made up of (1) intensity level ( 2 ) length of time = change in behaviour, i.e stopped the action of scratching.

In training this is shaping desired behaviour not correcting undesired behaviour. This gives the dog and trainer numerically many more reinforcing reward episodes/opportunities than correction only techniques and makes communication and learning stress free, very fast and is applicable, with a good collar, at any distance, dogs speed or terrain. The play activity between handler and dog is increased many fold and training/learning time drastically reduced compared to old methods.

Even with an intellect a billion, billion universes beyond that of a dog humans learn and benefit by sensation very early on. We learn 'not' to hold our hands to close the fire for to long 'intensity + duration', we learn 'not' to wait 'to long' after the hunger pain sensation starts and eat for pleasant relief, discomfort + time span, dogs learn to avoid the unpleasant sensation of direct sun and keep to the shade after a short exposure to direct sun, 'intensity' + 'duration,' positively reinforcing low degrees of activity. Most dogs are more active on cold days, as the increase in activity starts then the discomfort of feeling cold decreases, again discomfort + time span. All these are negative reinforcement actions and are positively reinforced by strengthening behaviour which is rewarding.

Static stimulation has been in use and development for a vast variety of purposes for many years, at least since the 1950's, long before e-collars became training collar category collars in 1998.

The main reasons e-collars remained behind other developed uses of variable level static stimulation instruments was its use on a moving object, very often under adverse environmental conditions, at long range and with the ability to be perpetually adjusted to the sensory widening and narrowing which occurs with drive activity levels. If analogue technology was still in existence e-collars would have remained as limited use collars.

Acupuncture pens are a product which give a sensation as a by-product of their design purpose but some children's toys are deliberately designed to give a sensation of entertainment value, static bands are available which can be placed around wounds and aid healing, variable intensity static stimulation arm bands are available to displace concentration for people suffering some kind of pain in another part of the body.

Static stimulation devices designed to eliminate parasites and the conditions caused by them in humans and animals, micro current electrical stimulators for sore muscles, CES for relaxation, anxiety, meditation, and other benefits, massage devices.

On Channel 4 London region w/e July 7th 2004 an hour long late night program was dedicated to variable level static stimulation erotic M/F sex toys with optional combined vibration. The static sensation is exactly the same as e-collars, needless to say, the body areas had different biological purposes and responded to the sensation appropriately.
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The fact that static stimulation is a sensation and the actual idea that in such a technologically advanced society we have not technologically progressed beyond being able to use electrical sensation beyond an elementary electric shock is absurd.

Such claims from groups or individuals are untrue and should either be dismissed or put in the context of such groups who opposed Darwin because "We came from Adam and Eve". When the first photographs were produced similar groups wanted photography banned because "Only God can make man in his own image".

In the 40,000 years of the existence of the species dog there has always been one persistent problem, 'distance control and training'. More dogs have suffered abuse due to frustration or revolving door rescues because of this than any other single reason. Globally the e-training collar is giving dogs more freedom and stress free relationships in this past few years than at any time in the history of the species and they are one of the easiest to use training aids of every kind.

The modern static stimulation e-training collar has taken the dog out of the dark ages of needing to be on/off the lead because the degree of control needed makes learning slow and confusing for the dog, boreing and stressfull for the owner and degrading the relationship, they have given both the freedom within safety which is a requirement of the species if it is to live a quality life with stress free owners in a lifelong relationship which comes about by owning a well behaved/trained dog.

Below, just a couple of the hundreds of other every day uses, e-collars are nothing more than one of them, type electrical stimulation or variations into Google for more.

www.isrvma.org/article/57_1_7.htm

http://www.medicaledu.com/estim.htm

www.nessltd.com/

muscle.ucsd.edu/musintro/es.shtml

OK Dave - stick a pin in your arm, hold it there, maintaining the pressure whilst you count up to 20.

It hurts!

That is stimulation, unwrapped.   By wrapping it up whichever way you want, it still hurts!

Margot

Gobbleygook, what about the volts and mA's that Lou is happy to talk about?  It is not waves bouncing off the skin, the dog is completing the circuit of electricity

Lokismum

>OK Dave - stick a pin in your arm, hold it there, maintaining the pressure whilst you count up to 20.<

davedee
No, I would not do that for 20 secs, I would stick a pin in my arm and when it reached a point it became to uncomfortable I would stop.

Isabele

>Gobbleygook, what about the volts and mA's that Lou is happy to talk about?  It is not waves bouncing off the skin, the dog is completing the circuit of electricity<

davedee
Then you should write an edu article on it-

-apart from that you have discredited anything you  say by making a false statement o.e saying I sold e-collars. I never take any  person who has discredited themselves seriously, others might, most will not, don't forget, 'lurkers are watching you', they email me.

If the other links were not enough then get your head around this or look for your own, theres thousands of them.

http://www.wireheading.com/brainstim/

>I never take any  person who has discredited themselves seriously,

And nor do we. You have claimed not to be Denis Carthy and then protested about 'your' dog's training being criticised when someone referred to Denis's dog. You've completely discredited yourself.

>No, I would not do that for 20 secs, I would stick a pin in my arm and when it reached a point it became to uncomfortable I would stop.

That's because you would have the choice, DD. How about if someone else stuck the pin in your arm and held it there?

Mind you I'd have serious doubts about the mental health of anyone who would stick a pin in their (or anyone else's) arm.

Dennis,

Dress it all up how you like, electric collars CAN and DO hurt.

A person I know who uses them said to me "in the wrong hands, they are torture".

I am not telling you who they were, but what was said was very convincing.

Lindsay

Lindsay

>I am not telling you who they were<

davedee
I'd gnore them if I were you Lindsay, just cranks roaming round, they'd blow anyones mind, tell them you know me and I say its just cranks stuff, they'll leave you alone then.