Sorry melody you made me laugh at the humans part with three kids i wish i had stuck to dogs..kids fight more than dogs lol

Dandie Dinmont and Bedlingtons have lovely temperaments, I am familiar with both these breeds but I'm sure there are other terriers that are equally reliable.  An old school friend bought a Labradoodle, goodness knows why as she already had a standard poodle, and it was put down for having a nasty temperament so it would appear this cross breed is not exempt from nasty individuals.

The coat casting isnt true im afraid because they do cast to a certain extent unless you breed the further genetic types which as moonmaiden knows makes them more genetically true to a certain form..the misconception most people have about labradoodles is the allergy friendly and dont cast and they are a small dog...which is not the case at all
Why do people cross any breed?? they try to get the perfect speciman of a certain type
Poodles by nature are intelligent, non casting , gregarious, fun lovers, lively etc
Labs are easy going ,placid (usually)
Its just human nature im afraid to try and improve or mix different qualities and try to get the perfect dog human whatever..it will always be the same they always try to fix something..doesnt always make it wrong...lets face it its not just us that have tied the labradoodles or any other mixes over the generations ..it goes on all the time.. it will now and in the future but change isnt always a bad thing

Am I missing something i keep seeing this bad language and slagging off etc.. am i thick or have i missed it..all i think we are doing is having a discussion about different points of view??? am i missing something here

look not getting involved I own a chihuahua and retrievers. I just dont get why everyone just cant get along. I give in I hate fighting and the sheding reason was why I heard they started the poodle crosses and whenever I see people talk about them thats why. I've seriously had enough of this place it's always so tense

Nemo it always will be im afraid till people agree to disagree with what doesnt suit them..you dont get me going on about other breeds miscalling them because i wouldnt do that unless i knew the total facts beforehand..p.s love retrievers and chews too.. guess what got retrievers for the dreaded goldendoodles too

Hi Nemo.
I have just come onto this forum, and I read everything before posting.. I don't think anyone is really being offended, it just looks like a good debate about a breed of dog.. (some that think it has the potential for being a good breed and some that don't)
I don't get the feeling that people are really slagging anyone off, just having a really good discussion about what people think.. and that is a healthy thing to do.. after all if everyone agreed it would be quite a sad world..  we can't always agree on everything.. but we can all put our reasons accross don't you think..
:-)  or do you think I am wrong.. LOL..

I agree, but maybe I am pretty thick skinned and don't take ofence or take things personally :D  I like these kinds of debates, and there is no reason for personalities just diferent opinons being aired. :D

Brainless good answer!! its obvious we arent all going to agree on things ..would make pretty boring reading if it was but its sometimes healthy to disagree on things!!!

it's more because there have been so many arguments on here lately not just this one and it's starting to get upsetting, debates I can take. I think everyone has their own personal preference on dog as do I and I work with dogs on a daily basis and you cant say a purebred or a mongrel will have a great personality cos of their breeding etc, there is always some that have a nasty trait, I used to own a cavalier king charles spaniel champion breed lines etc and both her and her sister were snappy, so you cant always tell what a dog will be like. As far as I'm concerned if people want to start off a new breed or attempt to as long as it doesn't harm any of the dogs involved or be a money making scheme then why not. But as I said I am not getting further involved in this haha I think I'll stick to the chi boards.

Hear Hear Debr i think so too.. nothing wrong with a healthy debate ..obviously not everyone agrees or there would be no point to it..you just go to the breed club sites..if people get offended why put postings for a start???

Nemo Chihuahua - I don't think anyone is fighting, just debating different opinions. 
Personally, I cannot see the attraction of labradoodles, but I am open to being persuaded if there is a valid reason and aim in crossing these two breeds.  So far, the only explanation I can discern is that it is human nature to cross breeds to try to get a perfect specimen of a certain type.  Breeds were developed in the past to fulfill certain jobs, there was an aim in mind and a purpose for the dog to fulfil, the lab / poodle cross was as you said, originally bred to produce a non shedding dog for guide dogs, but that  was abandoned because some shed, some didn't.

>Poodles by nature are intelligent, non casting , gregarious, fun lovers, lively etc

Labs are easy going ,placid (usually)
These two breeds sound great :) why not just get one or other or these?

Isabel i have both these dogs and both traits are lovely but until you have a labradoodle you really dont know what we are talking about regarding nature etc, compared to both breeds the labradoodles have the best of both parents

But I have met a labradoodle and I don't believe it inherited the best of either its parents :(  You cannot predict with any crossbreed what traits it will carry only when a breed is fixed to breed true can you expect a certain temperament or physical appearance.

With any breed you cannot predict nature..any breed of dog can be unpredictable..you can only hope for the best knowing you have bred to the best of your knowledge and puppy socialising etc..you cannot predict what new owners do with their pups ..it can sometimes be what they do that makesthe dog what it is

omg donakell you are taking the words out of my mouth LOL... are you copying me.. or am I copying you LOL

I disagree, with an established breed in the hands of a experienced breeder you have a very good idea of the physical appearance and characteristics.  You especially see this is breeds that the puppy farmers have not bothered with such as the Dandie they are pretty much universally true to type temperament wise, it removes a great deal of the lottery that a cross breed would give you.

Oh I don't think really you can predict totally temperaments of any dog you can only hope for..  my children are a good example of that LOL.... sorry not really a comparison :-)

No not really :D   How like your husband are you Debr in looks and temperament?  If you were dogs breeds would you say your children were pure breds or cross breeds? :)

You cant judge meeting one dog to every one.. i have met one gsd that was totally nasty doesnt make them all like that

Exactly, one perfect Labradoodle with just the right look, just the right coat, just the right temperament tells you nothing about the rest of the litter or subsequent litters.

Hi all just finding it a bit difficult to keep up with postings on this forum.. took me a while to realise that they answer all over the place and not straight after each other LOL..... so if I don't keep up sorry....

debr it took me long enough to work it out too not straightforward at all

jen i replied to this already with the traits of both dogs

yes, you listed a few traits, but not it's aim and purpose, and what traits would you expect this new breed to have, given that they are (at the moment) cross breeds and can vary considerably.

Hi JenP
I have found out that in other countries they have been proved to be good agility dogs, easily trained.. the more the gen the less allergy.. so I think they do have a purpose.. there are quite a few people who have a labradoodle and are allergies to dogs have said that they have got on fine with them.. I think you either love them or hate them for whatever reason.. just like I don't like Yorkies.. I don't mean offence to Yorkie owners/breeders. .. but whats their purpose..?  start a discussion on any type of dog.. but its just because they are not for me... not that I dislike them.. am I making sense LOL.. past my bed time now LOL..losing the plot somewhere along the line..

debr yorkies should be used to wash the floor!!! mops.. no offence meant either just not my cup of tea, but cant see the point of them, nasty spoilt little mops.. that going from grooming them!!! most are spoilt little ratbags!!! just a personal thing wouldnt go and tell owners that!!!

LOL.. omg what are you going to start..LOL.. anyway.. I'm off to bed.. thanks everyone for the discussion.. its been interesting.. I've got to be up at 6.00 just realised the time oooopps.. night night..

>debr yorkies should be used to wash the floor!!! mops.. no offence meant

Good grief! Heaven preserve us all from when you intend to offend! (Non-Yorkie owner here, btw!)

Poodle are terrific at agility, helpful for allergy sufferers and the coats a doddle when regularly clipped (as your Labradoodle may have to be) If you have strong feelings about how a dog looks how can you contemplate buying one when you have no idea what it will look like when grown up?

oo just quickie before off too bed.. I didn't say anything about looks, I have mentioned more the personality and the best of both worlds.. not that I wanted a specific look..must dash might try and pop back tomorrow or monday.. thanks everyone

Well its been a long thread but I thought you said you did not like the look of poodles......and yorkies ;)

The thing with prospective labradoodle owners is that they know the downfalls and have researched it usually for months beforehand and are willing to accept that their are no guarantees with them, you can only try your best when breeding dogs to fulfill your expectations and what you expect for your puppy and try to match them to the family that you feel is best for your puppy and whom you feel is right.. surely whatever the breed the dogs best interest it utmost in finding homes for them..one good thing about most labradoodles is that they dont end up like alot of labradors shut outside in kennels and one trait of labradoodles is they love family life and children which to me is very important for dogs and owners..fraid its late and i have to go to bed too but i have enjoyed the replies and although dont agree with everyones comments respect their opinion

How can you talk about their traits, they are made up of two dogs really quite different in character let alone appearance.  I have known a couple of poodles and a poodle/CKCS that I grew up with that loathed children, what if your labradoodle inherits that trait?

What if any breed of dog does...labradoodles are not know for this unlike other breeds??? its doesnt matter what type of dog you have genetic traits dont always follow im afraid and it would be wrong to say they do

I disagree, that is precisely what good breeding is all about, breeding to fix breed type in looks as well as temperament and it has been achieved to a very good level in most long established breeds.  This is what people get when they buy a pure bred dog a very reasonable expectation as to what exactly their puppy will grow into.  The odds with a cross breed are always going to be very much lower.

<< one good thing about most labradoodles is that they dont end up like alot of labradors shut outside in kennels>>

<< one trait of labradoodles is they love family life and children >>    can't the same be said of many breeds

There are other breeds already in existence that make good agility dogs, easily trained etc.  I don't dislike them, I just cannot see why people have to deliberately cross breed dogs unless for a specific purpose when there are plenty of cross breeds in rescue, and i haven't yet heard a valid reason for cross breeding them.  As I said earlier - persuade me! :D

And i havent heard a genuine reason for not!!!!

As the saying goes "If it ain't broke, why fix it?"
;)

Its not broke my any means..why try to fix problems in established breeds?? why try to breed aggresiveness out of terriers??? why try to breed fighting instinct out of fighting dogs??? why try to breed herding instinct out of herding dogs???
How many people have had a border collie only to realise they are working dogs not designed for being cooped up as a pet without adequate stimulation???
How many people have had Rotties and the have  turned nasty...does this mean they are all like this.. I dont think so.. bad publicity bad press etc go a long way to giving a dog a bad name along with the wrong owners!!!
Pit bulls got bad press.. not all of them are nasty just wrong type of owners..some dogs do have a natural instinct..poodles and labs havent usually got bad press..havent heard of many labs or poodles savaging people..im not stupid enough to know that any breed of dog can have a rogue one...even the most lovable breed can have a nasty one every so often..but usually its the exception not the norm..usually the norm with labradoodles is the are fun loving large family orientated dogs..with the usual exceptions

>havent heard of many labs or poodles savaging people..

Haven't you? I'm surprised, because I have (and GRs, and OES, and many many others, including crosses and mongrels), but that's because I chat to our vet, who sees more dogs on a day-to-day basis than I do.

>why try to fix problems in established breeds??

Erm ... because they're problems! That's why they need fixing!

>why try to breed herding instinct out of herding dogs???

You wouldn't - because that's the purpose of the dog. These are the raison d'etre of the breeds. Without it they're basically meaningless status symbols/eye-candy.

I wouldn't mention Vets.. evidently they don't know anything about breeds..

That isn't quite what I said :) I said that they are not generally experts on dogs :)

JenP has given you a very good one, because there are many crossbreeds in rescue, why breed more when you could be encouraging people to give those poor things a chance of a home.  If it is something different they want they can find it there and get to feel good about themselves :).

Why are there so many cross breeds?? accidents usually, labradoodles arent accidents usually well planned in advance litters..for coat type, nature etc..yes there are heaps of unwanted mongrels in dogs homes but there are equally as much pedigreed dogs too.. you cant judge all cross breeds...how manypeople have accidental children..doesnt mean they are going to end up in childrens homes??? i know its slightly different but same principal labradoodles arent accidents they are just as well planned as pedigree pups and most reputable labradoodle breeders have waiting lists for their next litter or even a couple of years in advance, as people have said plenty cross breeds looking for homes , so give them a home, dont waste time on doodles because they dont need sympathy and are worthy of the waiting lists for them.. give the poor cross breeds that are in homes a chance too

>give the poor cross breeds that are in homes a chance too

I agree with you entirely. Make sure the existing crossbreeds have ahome before breeding any more.

Well said, JG

<< there are heaps of unwanted mongrels in dogs homes but there are equally as much pedigreed dogs too.. >>

I think you'll find that cross breeds and mongrels heavily outweigh purebreds in rescue.

I do agree there!!! but as i said because of uncaring owners who let their pets mate willy nilly to the dog next door..labradoodle breeders are different...our litters are carefully planned!!!