I'd agree that with breeding comes the responsibility of homing the whole litter, although on that basis I would think that a litter of lab/poodle crosses could be a lot more viable than many pure-bred litters in breeds where there is much less demand for pups.

Edited to add: How on earth have I ended up justifying either cross-breeding or lab/poodle crosses, neither of which I have any interest in???? :-D

thats how i feel havoc!
id never want one,yet am defending them! strange!!!!!!

But id the reasn the crosees are in demand and the purebred ones are not because of publicity????  I doubt that most of the GP have ever heard of Cutly Coats, Irish Water Spaniels, Lagotta or Spanish Water dogs.

It is highly unlikely that any of the designer cross breeds will ever get recognized in the UK by The KC for at least 10 generations from the originating breeds, which means everytime a pure bred dog is introduced for health  or any other issue then the breed goes back to square one & don't forget unlike the bob boxer breeding these crosses are not done to produce a specific trait in a breed but to create multiple new"breeds",the F2 generations will not be a staright combination of any two breeds but more complex mix.

As those who have import or rare breeds know, it is hard enough to get the KC to recognize breeds that have been established abroad for 100's of years let alone 5/10 years. For example it took from 1926 to 1945 to split the CKCS from the CKS & that was in times when the big breeders had much more sway with the KC & don't forget these dogs were already registered as a pedigree dogs with the KC

The Boxer cross corgi breeding was done with the full backing of the KC before it was done(this can be done in any breed for example Bull Terrier x Mini bull terrier to try to help the eye problem the mini's have that does not occur in the Bull Terrier ). The KC will not consider registering a deliberate crossing of two breeds simple to produce a "designer"dog-not a better gundog, working dog, pet dog etc The "Plummers" & "Patterdales" were not bred to have designer dog for pets but as working terriers. The Patterdale is a cross between many terrier breeds including in some strains-bulls as they are called by Patterdale people (SBT & BT)this information I gleaned from reviewing a book on Patterdales written by a Patterdale expert.

I cannot understand people crossing two breeds that have health issues in commone like Labs & Standard Poodles Both have HD & PRA issues & of course the SP has Sebaceous Adenitis. A local woman who breeds Labs to Poodles is using a dog who carries SA on his own daughters & G daughters to fix the coat type, todate she has produced 7 puppies with SA that she will not hold up her hands to being responsible for

LD's can only be called that if they are first crosses & you will not get hybrid vigour for animals that have the same health issues & hybrid vigour only occurs in F1 hybrids any breeding other than Lab to SP  first generation will not not have Hybrid Vigour

I would love to meet & go over a Spaniel Water dog as the photos & videos I have seen show them as being  lovely looking dogs Not for me personally as I prefer my collies & cavaliers, but that doesn't stop me liking the look of them

Well Moonmaiden, if you are ever in the vicinity of Manchester you know where I am :d :d  I also go to most shows on Gundog day !!

I'll keep an eye out if you are at any champ shows on toy day mind you when I get my BC puppy I might have to start doing two days or even a few days LOLOLOLOL even though my BCs are working bred I like to confuse the breed judges from time to time :)

Think you'd better get a classic Balck and White then MM cos as you said yourself half white face will definitely be in the minority and even they might recognise you and him ;) after a few shows LOL

LOLOLOLOLOL That might be just the reason for getting a white faced dog(not~only joking)Actually I've wanted one for years(20 some)since I met & fell in love with the look of a friends white faced bitch but if there isn't such a puppy I won't mind I like the two breedings that have been done for the bloodlines alone :D

im wondering if this post was started by the resident troll or not? certainly got a very good response if it was!!!!

As I said in my first post, this subject is one that is guaranteed to cause a row on here. Thats why I cautioned against getting too emotionally involved. ;-) I do think deliberate cross-breeding is worthy of debate - but not worth falling out over! :-)

agreed!!!!!

personally i think border collies are working dogs and belong on a farm not in the showring, most certainly good for agility!!!not for the average pet though,,cant see the appeal ,a collie is a collie!!!..so there you go thats my opinion on collies...sneaky untrustworthy neurotic fools designed for herding sheep and not the average pet!!! and i hasten to add plenty of them in dogs homes cause people get them and realise there hyper!!! oooh so they must be wrong too..how many have collies are there that arent pedigreed or kc reg ..must be mongrels!!!! collie crosses are one of the most popular mongrels found in dogs homes!!!!!so what does that say????

Well you better get selling your LDs to the SARDA & IR people after all they better have their iffy BCs PTS ASAP in case they savage the missing people whose lives they save-I will say no more aboput your highly offensive remarks about Border Collies

As for waiting years for a LD not aournd here as there are litter after litter in the local rag & they were even advertised as being available for Xmas delivery, on the other hand a local SP breeder has people on her waiting list all the time & she never has to advertise her dogs(she only breeds if she wants a dog for herself)

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I'm sorry but LD's when bred from parents that are eith Lab & Poodle or vica versa will NEVER be a Breed they will always be X breeds & will never be recognized as a breed by the KC they will always be F1 X breeds

I don't know of anyone who breeds them from the F1 generation offspringto other F1 or later offspring, they always use a KC registered breeds as either sire or dam when breeding the F2 generation hence the SP who to his own daughters & daughters of other SP's has produced SA sufferers

There is a local circle of LD breeders here(in the local city)so this is not from second hand knowledge from a friend of a friend of a friend but from my GP vet who is concerned over the health of these X breeds(especially the SA sufferer dogs)

Why don't these LD breeders breed from the F1 generation dogs to other F1 generation dogs to fix the traits they want & then from the F2 generation etc without having to keep using the purebred dogs ? Why don't they use the KC activities register so they can record the health status & DNA profile of their LD's ?

I have so many questions but no answers

I can see one very big thing that would mean the KC will never accept them as a breed,otherwise it would open the floodgates to all F1 generation dogs from two dogs of any two different breeds as new breeds 24,964 new breeds ! in one go !

So dream on about having a KC recognized  breed, the same way the Goldenoodle, Pugalier, maltipoos, Cockerpoos, Cavalocker, Tes cup etc"breeds" will have too

I agree collies don't always make good pets, only for those people who research the breed, acknowledge what sort of dog they are and plan to give them the life and activity that they require in which case they make very good companions that their owners are often devoted to.  But the point it that that information can be obtained, a Labradoodle will always be an unknown quantity, no one could assess them as a "breed" and decide that would be the ideal dog to fit into their livestyle and activities as they have no idea what sort of a dog the puppy will grow into.

Well the only one that I can think of at the mo. is Darlington

Well I'll be going there as it is one of the more local ones & I mine risk the KCGC with the cavaliers if I have time to train them to do stays on the ground LOL

Why is everyone so against labradoodles??? Where does any breed start from???
Your curly coated retrievers, your irish water spaniels etc did they just pop out of no-where.. i dont think so!!! All dog breeds have startedfrom somewhere..look at your Jack Russell, when i started showing dogs they werent a recognised breed but they are now.. so does that make them wrong too. Nobody forces anyone into buying a labradoodle and they are not as previously said DESIGNER DOGS!!!!! they are a dog like anyone elses dog. Most genuine labradoodle breeders make sure all thier dogs are hip scored eye tested etc as they have more to prove to recognised breed owners that labradoodles breeders are not money grabbing freaks!!! Labradoodles are very popular im afraid and i think thats what annoys poodle and lab breeders who struggle to sell their pups...most labradoodles do not go to kennel homes like labs and are certainly more popular than poodles and labs..so i think this is why people are against them, nothing to do with spoiling 2 breeds instead i think it is sour grapes!!! Labradoodles will certainly become recognised in years to come and then what will everyone do then..still miscall them??? I think everyone is really underestimating labradoodle breeders, they are just as interested in their breed as breeders of RECOGNISED breeds!!! THEY ARE NOT PUPPY FARMERS AS IT HAS BEEN STATED SO MANY TIMES no more so than in any other breed.  Im sure if you dig the dirt on any dog breeders there would be plenty of it to go around so why just centre around the bad stuff with labradoodles im sure if people dig long enough!!!! they will find the good stuff too!!!! FROM AN EX POODLE BREEDER

Hi

Why would it be difficult to sell a Labrador or Poodle if they come from health checked parents and had excellent pedigrees ? :)

Lucy
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Hi Lucy
Im afraid poodles arent that popular because of the work involved keeping their coats etc..and labs there are just too many going about and breeders struggle to find homes for them no matter how many tests you do it doesnt guarantee good homes for them so im afraid you do get bad press from these breeders because they are miffed because cross breed dogs sell better than their pedigree ones.. just because labradoodles are popular dogs doesnt make their breeders or labradoodles bad dogs..their are bad dogs in any breed..most breeds have their genetic faults or breed traits ..just because you breed labs to poodles does not mean their offspring are all going to be bad..that it totally stupid people thinking this..no matter what breed you have you do not breed two dogs together with faults eg.. hips eyes SA etc  whether they be labs poodles pointers or anything!!!!
SO WHY AUTOMATICALLY THINK LABRADOODLE BREEDERS WOULD...WOULD YOU????

can everyone please stop fighting, they are right that all breeds came from certain crosses originally and why be so angry with them if they are trying to
a) create a new breed that in time may have a breed standard and breed true
b) aren't charging silly prices
c) want whats best for their dogs

if they aren't puppy farming why class them as the same. I think everyone needs to get off their high horses for once. I dont agree with stupid prices and the puppy farming but why not create a new breed.

Well said Sarah. Lets all stop arguing. at least for today :-)

Hi guys

Where are we arguing ? :) I am not arguing just asked a reasonable question :) I am discussing not arguing ;)

Lucy
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I agree why fight!!! no point to it really so why does everyone hate labradoodles then!!!
What silly prices!!! why do people charge over £1000 for certain breeds of dogs eg mastiffs bulldogs etc etc...you go by the average price for that type of dog.. if labradoodles were over priced then they wouldnt sell the same as bulldogs mastiffs etc..so when people say they are overpriced they obviously open their mouths before the research the breed... i wouldnt go on about mastiffs being over priced before i found out on average how much pups sell for... i had a chinese shar pei 12 years ago and paid £800 for her then but wouldnt say at over a £1000 they are overpriced that is just the average price!! the same goes for labradoodles..they have a average price for pups and most genuine breeders stick to that..so who is to say they are the wrong price

Nemo to vreate a viable breed one needs a large gene pool.  while breeding the founder generations there will be a large prcentage of wastage (100 years ago these owuld probably have been killed or give away to the estate workers (as largely breeds were established by rich folk who kept lots of dogs for a specific purpose, usually sporting).

Some breeds developed as a type commonly found and used for a specific purpose in a speciific place.

the problems that we now have and are trying to bred out were caused as a direct result of narrowed gene pools at various times (The World Wars desimated breed populations).

In modern times it would not be feasible or even morally right to try to create breeds from scratch as there are already plenty of dogs going spare without adding the ineviatable 90% of wastage in any breeding program.

To develop a breed to the point of recognition can take a lifetime or many lifetimes (look how long it has taken to recognise the Parson Russell, and look at all the bastardised terriers claiming to be Jack Russells, which are not of the type he was aiming for).

I an many others feel that with the number of breeds already recognised world wide, and with many on the verge of extinction due to lack of interest or even knowledge of their existence, there is no need to try and create any unnecesary new breeds.

The purpose of many breeds is now obsolete and will increasingly become so, so the only reason for keeping many of these going is purely for historical interst and love of the breed (Staffords come to mind here).

As for Labradoodles there are several breeds with the traits that this mix is truing to create, and most of them are rare or endangered, so what is the point.  If this is the kind of dog these people like why don't they get involved with the Cuyrly Coats, Irish Water Spaniel, Spanish Water Dog or Lagotta, there is every size and type variance for the persons preference????

Hi Donakell

I asked a question about selling puppies from well bred pedigree dogs and didn't question about the reputation of Labradoodle breeders :)

Are any Labradoodle breeders getting together some sort of club then to start the process of going towards getting the breed recognised at some stage ? Also is there a defined breed standard yet for them  :)

Lucy
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Hi Lucy
They most certainly are!! The genuine breeders would love to see them recognised as a breed in their own rights and are working towards that..far more than people know and if anyone was interested yes we do have a few clubs and associations and websites specifically for labradoodles..im afraid because of all the stigma associated with labradoodles and their breeders we are finding things really hard which is so unfair because even people breeding F1 labradoodles get the relevant tests done eg hip scoring eye testing etc..does all lab breeders or poodle breeders!!!.. we have something to work towards and do thing just as carefully as other breeders maybe more so because we have to prove everyone wrong that we are not in it for money!!!
Like a few other breeds they do come in different coat types eg short long curly etc but so do other breeds and you work towards maintaining a certain standard and no ethical breeder breeds bad confirmation type etc

So just out of interest then how many ethical breeders are there compared to non ethical breeders do you think there are ?

Is there an official web site we can look at ?

Lucy
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Sorry lucy missed your question!!

How many ethical and non ethical breeders are there in any breed!!!

Labradoodle breeders biggest problem is the pet owner who think it is easy money..they same as any other breed!!!

And im sure you would get other labradoodle breeders answering back to these forums if it wasnt so dead nasty against us
I CAN HONESTLY SAY AS AN EX SHOW EXHIBITOR AND POODLE BREEDER I AM PROUD TO BE BREEDING LABRADOODLES AND WOULD ADMIT IT TO ANYONE ..unlike a lot of lab and poodle breeders who do it and do not admit to it

I assume then, that healthy deabate and discussion is not what people want? I further assume that people simply want to come on to a forum and say something and have everyone agree with them?

It is MY opinion ...no one else's, just mine, that people who pay a lot of money for a crossbreed (whatever the two breeds are) without finding out about any health checks, are asking for possible trouble.

The same thing happens in my own breed. People are being sold Alaskan Huskies ....a cross breed .....but a lot of people think that they are getting a recognised breed , they are not. Malamutes and Sibes are both wonderful breeds, both with their own difficulties....now who knows which of the pups born to a crossbreed will have Mal traits and which will have Sibe traits? Do the people buying the pups even realise that they HAVE different traits?

It is highly unlikely that any of the designer cross breeds will ever get recognized in the UK by The KC for at least 10 generations from the originating breeds, which means everytime a pure bred dog is introduced for health  or any other issue then the breed goes back to square one & don't forget unlike the bob boxer breeding these crosses are not done to produce a specific trait in a breed but to create a new"breed" which iis not being bred for any specific purpose ,the F2 generations will not be a staright combination of any two breeds but more complex mix. The GDBA bred a few but stopped as they for some reason were not suitable

The KC would certainly not accept the name Labradoodle & which group would the "breed"be in Gundog ? Utility ? Working ?

If their name had been chosen as Standaretreiver I somehow don't think they would be half as desirable

Along with all the other oodles & poo crosses 95 % of the desirablity is in the name. I know of 5 or 6 from the same litter that have ended up in an all breed rescue because they grew too big the buyers thinking the poodle would be minature size so that the puppies would be smaller than a lab with a non shedding coat In stead they were huge well over lab size & they all had shedding coats, at £600 + a throw 5/6 rather expensive mistakes

Moonmaiden why do you think at £600 they are a mistake..if the ones that you know of ended up in rescue homes why?? smae as maybe Great Dane rescues etc ..Labradoodles are not small dogs and genuine breeders do not mislead people into thinking they are ogs cause they are not and you can pay well over £600 for other types of dogs that cast hairs also...why do people automatically think that labradoodles are small dogs and dont cast at all???? where have they heard all this rubbish from!!! this is the total rubbish that is going about labradoodles that we are trying to get away from and im afraid if this is what peoples opinion is about labradoodles then it is them that is ignorant and havent looked into the breed properly and them that is spreading these horrrible misleading facts.. the people who have researched the breed properly do know these things!!!! and why is Labradoodle any better of a name than any other breed??? that again is another human error not the dogs fault , I personally think poolab or loodle, pooador ,labapoo etc sounds just as good so what in the name that makes them so good...nothing... you dont buy a dog because of its name surely??? if so then im afraid genuine labradoodle breeders woundt sell you one just because you like the name, i find that totally stupid even saying that..oooh lets go and miscall bulldogs!!!! or any other breed i dont know anything about then we would be even..give me one person that really knows what they are talking about here!!! you get bad breeders in any dog breed but we are not all picking on them!! so why do people think labradoodles are worth picking on..just because nobody really knows what they are talking about..unless you are a doodle breeder...anyone can breed labs or poodles but for labradoodles you have to understand what you are doing...the pet owners with labs or poodles who think they can make easy money from genuine breeders hard work are the ones who are wrong not the breeders who have researched  the breed and spent a lot of time looking into it properly!!!!!!

why do people automatically think that labradoodles are small dogs and dont cast at allBecause all the breeders locally tell people so

So 5/6 out of a litter of 10(two bitches retained by breeder)is ok to go into rescue ? I know of more than this one litter & the local all breed rescues at times are overrun by them especially the one that only has 12 kennels & at one time had all 12 filled with Oodle Xs(paperwork was seen so it was not a case of guessing)

I know how many breeds go into rescue every year however from the 400+ that go through our GSD rescue may be 6-10 are from registered parents & last year 8 came from breeders who when contacted collected their dogs immediately, the others came from people who had bred their bitches to the nearest male of the same breed & 80% of which had been bred from non registered parents & whose breeders are not able/willing to take them back having made their money from the puppy sales(had one such breeder here today, v upaet as her elipetic breeding bitch has had to be spayed)

The name Labradoodle will not be appropriate after 10 generations of breeding from the F1, F2, F3, F4, F5, F6, F7, F8 & F9 generations The addition of any Lab or Poodle blood by using a dog or bitch from the breed, would put the clock back to F1 generation again. The KC will not accept a "designer"name believe me & it would indicate a mixture of 50/50 poodle & lab genes, this cannot be guraranteed of course after the F1 generation

Please stop calling them a breed they are as yet X breeds & as I have said above everytime a poodle or lab are used in the breeding program they are no longer 50/50 lab/poodle genetically

If the people you know only breed lab to poodle they will never develop a separate breed anyone who has developed a breed like Plummer & Ceskys did not just do a F1 cross but bred F1 to F1 to produce F2 generation & the F2 to F1 etc etc etc each breeding selecting the healthiest animals with the deired traits to breed to each other so that eventually the breed develops & the desired traits are fixed.

Sorry if this is a bit theoretical but it is how a breed is delevoped from a genetically sound angle

Moonmaiden i do realise the genetics of labradoodles and i will still call them a breed because nowadays insurance companies, vets, rspca,sspca recognise them as a breed in thier own rights even though the kennel club dont yet and i do understand what your saying about the ones that went to rescue homes but it just goes to show that they came from one person who is the person that misinformed the new owners not the breed in general and im afraid sad as it is it does go with any other breed you do get the uncaring breeders who really dont care where their pups go..i know in our area we do have problems also with gsd breeders who dont care about their puppies and havent looked into hip dyslaspia etc

Insurance companies seem to be a law unto themselves.  I have a friend with a West Siberian Laika (a breed not established in the UK but very popular in Finland where he lived and worked for more than 5 years). 

When he tried to Insure his dog they wouldn't accept him as his breed as it wasn't on their datebase, and have him down as a Siberian Husky.  Who is betting when he tries to claim that they will query the fact that he is not what is on their database.

Went to a vet for a check on my whelping bitch out of hours so used another surgery.  When entering the details on their computer she wanted to put her down as a crossbreed as they didn't have Norwegian Elkhound or Elkhound in their breed listing. 

Needless to say I told her she will jolly well have to put them in then as I refused to have her labelled a crossbreed, especially as her breed is very ancient going back to at least Viking times, and she is a Champion 3 times over :D

>Im afraid poodles arent that popular because of the work involved keeping their coats etc

But if you take one of the pups with a poodle coat you are going to have to do exactly the same work to maintain it.
This is the bit I don't get if you want a dog of a decent size, intelligent, bidable and with a coat that doesn't shed why not get a standard poodle!  I'm not against breeding a cross that serves a specific purpose ie the Lab/Retriever cross that the GDB have found fit their requirements, certain types of lurcher, terriers to fit specific terrain etc. but this one doesn't make any sense at all once you rule out the possibility that it has a catchy name to impress the neighbours :rolleyes: but then again the standard poodle is surely rare enough and impressive enough in looks to stand out in the neighbourhood, you could always go the fancy trim and dye route ;).

Hi there
I have a fancy apricot poodle done in the continental trim and done shows including Crufts and all the major champ shows but it is true what you have said why not get a poodle..the curly coated labradoodles certainly have curly coats but they are not quite so difficult to maintain as the standard poodles coat as standard poodles coats grow constantly and do matt if not looked after properly which the curly labradoodles do certainly need grooming but their coats do not grow to the same extent as poodles and are easier to maintain so for people who do like poodles but for whatever circumstances cant look after their coats properly then the curly labradoodle is a slightly easier option although they still do need grooming as most long haired breeds do

>their coats do not grow to the same extent as poodles

So if they do not continuously grow I assume they do moult to some degree, so that's that reason for this cross breed ruled out as well :)

I think most on this board believe that the only reason to breed it to improve the breed - labradoodles are a cross-breed, not a breed ;)

<< Where does any breed start from??? >>
They start because there is a purpose for them.  The original reason the labradoodle was bred has long since been abandoned as unsuccessful.

I have owned a lab cross, a sweeter, lovely, kind-natured, fun-loving, cute dog you could not wish to have - but that is no reason to try to breed more like him?

What I am genuinely curious about though, and perhaps as an ex-poodle breeder you could tell me, is what is it about poodles that is so desirable that they need to be crossed with all sorts of different and diverse breeds to improve on it (apart from the obvious - to include poo or oodle in the name). 

Well im afraid i totally disagree most breeds start from somewhere!!! so does that mean the people who started the irish water spaniel are wrong!!! cause there is certainly poodle in there too..whether people like it or not we are not breeding mongrels as people think but are trying our best to start another breed which will be recognised in the future that i am sure off!!! If people are so interested in labradoodles and look into them before opening thier mouths and letting ther stomachs rumble then they would know they have been around for years and are not just "DESIGNER DOGS" I must admit for a so called dog site i find it strange that people have the nerve to miscall something that they know nothing about and yes everyone is entitled to their opinions but i personally find snuffle faced dogs horrible but wouldnt go about telling people that!!!  everyone loves thier own type of dogs and i am afraid i havent heard any genuine arguements against labradoodles not one sensible contradiction...compared to any other breeds!!! why breed dogs with so short noses they cant breathe???  why breed dogs that need caesarian sections for having puppies?? why breed dogs so long and with short legs they have back problems?? i could list any of the more unusual breeds and find  reasons for not breeding them too!!! there are no health problems connected with labradoodles for not breeding them apart from ignorant peoples misconceptions of them
AFTER ALL THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MONGRELS AND EVERYONE KNOWS MONGRELS ARE HEALTHIER THAN PEDIGREE DOGS!!!!

>AFTER ALL THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MONGRELS AND EVERYONE KNOWS MONGRELS ARE HEALTHIER THAN PEDIGREE DOGS!!!!

What nonsense! Crossbreeds and mongrels are just as prone to hereditary conditions and illnesses as pedigree dogs! I've seen lab/GSD crosses with appalling HD, and one mongrel (multi-breed, who knows what was in his make-up) who was practically crippled at 2 years of age with the condition. It's just that they don't get publicised because there's no specific 'label' to hang on them.

Jeangenie exactly even pedigree breeds suffer from certain ailments but isnt that because breeders are breeding just for the sake of it!!!
Cross breeds pedigree it doesnt matter what you breed together if they are not tested properly you will get problems no matter what!!!
It doesnt automatically mean that because labradors have problems and poodles have problems that when you breed them together you get problems out..you do not breed dogs which you know have problems together.. that is nonsense!!!! what your saying basically is labs have problems ..poodles have their own problems so why breed any of these dogs??? you try to breed from healthy tested parents not ones carrying hip dysplasia or SA or eye problems...so do you really think labradoodle breeders want to breed dogs with these qualities???? i dont know about you but i certainly wouldnt want that from my dogs!!!

AFTER ALL THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MONGRELS AND EVERYONE KNOWS MONGRELS ARE HEALTHIER THAN PEDIGREE DOGS!!!! (please note netiquite considers the use of Capitals in this way to be rude & shouting)

Lets get this right I had a mongrel for 11 years she had PRA, HD(score 106-she had no hips) & would had been a fear biter in her other homes before she got to me-this due to her PRA & the pain she had from her HD. My GP vet has dealt with thousands of dogs in his career & when we chat about dog health issues he has always said that there is little difference between pedigree & non pedigree dogs, but the pedigree dogs on the whole tend to have more health checks, ante natal care, post natal  & reasearch done than non pedigrees & he is one of many vets who do NOT recommend every bitch should have a litter & that all breeding dogs(pedigree & non pedigree)should have a full range of health checks done before breeding is even considered. 

Yes breeds do have to start somewhere but & it is a big BUT in the UK the breeds developed for a purpose So what purpose are these X breeds bred for that no other breed could already perform ? Bearing in mind worldwide there are more than 200 established breeds

It is a total myth about mongrels being better health wise than any other dog

BTW my BC's were not bred to look pretty in a ring or strut their stuff at Crufts in Obedience they were bred to do the job the breed is deigned to do work sheep & cattle. Yet one had HD(never had any problem with his hindquarters & the rest iof his litter & his parents had good hips)

They were not bred for a fancy name nor to make money.

Thank you for your lengthy answer, but I'm still none the wiser - I'm still curious as to what is it about poodles that is so desirable that they need to be crossed with all sorts of different and diverse breeds to improve on them (apart from the obvious - to include poo or oodle in the name). 

Lets try to get this across!!! Its not easy cause most people are predujiced!!!
Labradoodles are not designer dogs
Labradoodles are not fancy named dogs
Labradoodles breeders dont make any more money from puppies than any other breeder
Labradoodle breeders breed from healthy hip scored parents
Labradoodles are not bred just to make money
Labradoodles are just like any other dogs..they are DOGS
Labradoodle breeders love their dogs just as much as any other person
Labradoodles are a interesting and fascinating breed
Labradoodles coats do cast
Labradoodles arent small dogs
People most certainly have got Labradoodles judged before looking into the breed
Please come on where does any breed start from..do they just pop up and they are recognised by the Kennel Club!!!!!!!!!

I think that to call anyone who disagrees with you prejudiced is not a good move and will do your cause no good. :(

I think it is also unfair to judge everyone and labradoodles unfairly with what they read in newspapers and i certainly dont agree with everyone it would be unfair to expect that...i dont agree will breeding dogs with short faces to the extent they have breathing problems but as you said everyone is entitled to thier opinion!!!!
I thought that this was a discussion not an arguement and not just a posting to miscall the breeds you dont agree with

I believe there are people here on the forum FAR more qualified to comment on Labradoodles than I am , but I have to say that to assume that anyone who expresses an opinion has gleaned that opinion from reading a newspaper is not a great approach. It is not likely to be true and you have no evidence to support it

A sensible discussion/debate does not pour scorn on the opposing party. I can't see anyone doing that to you, I can see them asking questions, putting you right about a few salient points and pointing out misleading 'statements of fact'

Im sorry but there are so many questions here that i just cant keep up with the answers.. I am trying ...but taking this is a dog site, I cant understand all the nastiness from so called dog lovers...maybe its me but i love heaps of different types of dogs but the ones i dont i wouldnt go on and rip the breeders to shreds!!! that maybe what im doing wrong ..Does anyone really know anything about labradoodles????? or is it just fun sl*gging them off..without knowing the facts and looking into the breed what right have you got to miscall them or thier breeders apart from its just a fun sport!!!!!

Who has slagged anyone off?

Who has been nasty??

I am baffled now