Very interesting conversation on all sides that i can see so why cant you agree that each has a point. Im no expert on either product but my point would be" How many pet owners of cats and dogs wear collars of all types, colours, manufactures" people have been using them for so long, i think each person who purchases a collar for a dog would base the appropriate collar for the appropriate breed of dog, or activity it would take part in, or its regular surroundings? its always a trial and error basis on each individual dog, Do you agree? My 2 have about 4 different collars. New pet owners are pushed as the "right thing to do" as putting a collar and identity tag on your pet by vet and animal care associations, its stated in every dog/cat book you read, they dont usually state to my knowledge anything about your dog/cat getting injured or strangled?
As for cats there are yet again many collars on the market and lesson 1 would be never put it tight enough so the cat couldnt get out of it? In my past experience of owning cats so many of mine have come home collarless, usually meaning they probably got caught up and got free as the collar allowed them to. There are probably more cat deaths due to cats wandering off as they do and getting knocked down by a passing vehicle than they actually get strangulated by there collar. Yes it does happen but most things are going to happen to someone or something at any given time. We use our intuition and common sense on most cases but even then nothing is foulproof. You may or may not agree with what i have said but this is my opinion.
Jodi

>Does anyone else feel the way I copy and past statements is confusing? 

I'm afraid so, yes. Horribly so.

Davedee, you tell me you don't recommend invisible fences, but then say:

>a boundary fence collar will not save every life it is used to protect but I would say they would significantly save far more cats lives than any other known safety aid for them."

That sounds like a recommendation to me!

Davedee, googling for "cat collar injuries" results in very many hits:

>Concerns about injuries to cats caused by ill-fitting collars has prompted Cats Protection to remind cat owners about their potential dangers.Staff and volunteers at the charity's Branches and Shelters regularly see cats suffering from appalling injuries to their front paws and underneath their front legs - and even to their lower jaw - as a result of getting trapped by a collar.

>The Feline Advisory Bureau has recently carried out a nationwide survey on injuries to cats from wearing cat collars. The main causes of injury is the cat getting it's front leg through the collar and sustaining lacerations to the 'underarm', sometimes resulting in the leg being amputated or having to receive plastic surgery to repair the wounds. It is advisable to fit your cat with an elasticated or 'quick release' caller and to ensure it is neither too tight nor too lose, you should be able to slip two fingers through the collar.

And so they go on ... these are the people I refer to as "those who know about such things" and you deride as "the people who have fed you what we all know to be false stories".

Do they satisfy your demand for evidence of the veracity of what I've told you?