Do you know of any breeders (not necessarily those with kennel names) who register the names of puppies from their own litters that they don't intend to keep?  I'm just wondering how prevalent it is for breeders to give their puppies registered names versus allowing buyers to give the puppies their registered names.  If it does happen often enough, is it considered rude to the puppy buyer, or is it considered normal/acceptable - or even dignified?  And are there breeds where this is more commonly done than in other breeds?

The whole litter has to be named by the breeder to be Kennel Club registered. 

Oops.  This I did not know.  (I live in the states and didn't realize the KC was so different in this regard from the AKC.)  Thanks for the info.  =)

Most breeders make their own names up, but I do occasionally ask the new owners what they'd like their name to be but then I translate them into Spanish :d

As my dog was the runt of the litter and sold as pet, not a show dog, the breeder incorporated the "pet name" in the registered name. Of course, you can call your pup Bob even if he was registered as "King Maximillian the Brave III". :D (and he's a Yorkie)
Yes, the breeder tends to have a prefix for the litter, such as Misty Mountain (my dog's Mum is Misty Mountain Snow Chrystal, I believe fathered by Misty Mountaineer), and there's not that much - I believe- you can do about this. Say, if you wanted to call your dog Lilly , and the litter name was Misty Mountain, you could ask the breeder to register the pup as Misty Mountain Lilly, or Misty Mountain Liliana. My dog's breeder actually asked what I was going to call my pup, and then incorporated it in the name. I don't think it is rude for the buyer to ask to do this, in case the breeder doesn;t offer, however, you must understand that you won't necessarily get your way.

Of course, I could be wrong...do correct me. :)

When i got our youngest Beau she alread had a kc name but it wasnt what i wanted. So i phoned the kc and asked them if i could change it. They told me they would send me a form that the breeder would have to sign. Which she did :)
So, i wanted something that would include my oldie's name.. so beau became Charlie's star

Donna and charliex

Our breeder asked us to pick the Kennel name, he is a Diamond Gezzer!! ha ha!

i often tell the new owner what kind of name i am after and then let them pick.  like my last 2 where a and b litter so as long as the name started with that latter i was happy.  next time im going for a theam

We already had a named picked out for our pup long before we even found a breeder and we were still referring to him by that name up until the breeder registered the litter and we picked out his KC name and she suggested we use that as his name. I must admit I'd never thought of that but it was a hungarian name and it mean 'time' which I though was relevant as we had waited for him so I started shouting it out, randomly in the house(:D) and it really grew on my and now, of course, no other name would suit him! Only 2 of the puppies in the litter have different names to their registered ones and one owner requested 'their' name to be registered.
I think its nice when they have the same name as their KC name, or if it's relevant, for example Kayla is Salvache Kira's Image, her mother being Kira and she is very much like her so thats nice, despite the name being picked out when she was only 4 weeks old and therefore not at all like her mother!
Emily

Thanks, all, for your stories.  :)

Our first dog's breeder called her Pebbles.  One of the males from the litter she called Bam-Bam, which we thought was cute.  Pebbles, while a neat little name we otherwise liked, absolutely did not fit her personality.  Hazel is definitely more her personality (and synesthetically, it's exactly her color!), so that's what we called her, and that's part of the name we chose for her on her registration paper we sent in to the AKC.  I could tell her breeder was a little disappointed that we didn't call her Pebbles.  :(

Our second breeder didn't give her puppies temporary callnames, so no problem there.  (Well, there was, but not from a name standpoint...)  As well, we instead planned to, and did, get her spayed at six months, so there was no reason to register her with any group (would've been the CKC if we had).

While I've never heard of it happening with dachshunds here in the states, I know with pharaoh hounds here, the breeders pick the registration names for their dogs.  I suppose it's because basically all the PHs over here are of high quality (and there aren't too many of them), and the breeders are proud of that.  Completely understandable to me.

So... it turns out that things are generally much different where "y'all" are.  ;)

None of my dogs are called by their registered names, and I named most of them myself! Pet names are chosen by the owner - the breeder chooses the registered name along their own system.
:)

Here the breeder has to register all the puppies and name them.  Many view this as important for statistical purposes. 

Those breeders who can't be bothered to provide names are allocated names by KC stafff, and sicne last year an additional charge is made for this(these would normally not be the breeders who are proud of their breeding and the ones maintaining the standards in breeds. 

Most serious breeders use a Kennel name (affixz) and pay an annual fee for maintaining it.

"Many view this as important for statistical purposes."

I'm not clear on what that means.

"Those breeders who can't be bothered to provide names are allocated names by KC stafff, and sicne last year an additional charge is made for this"

Hm... does that mean personal property in the form of dogs is [completely] regulated in Britain (and therefore the owners don't really own their dogs)?  ...similar to what I've heard about TVs there?  (lol)

"None of my dogs are called by their registered names, and I named most of them myself!"

Ha!

"Most serious breeders use a Kennel name (affixz) and pay an annual fee for maintaining it."

I've heard of something like this with the AKC too.  If I were to breed, I certainly wouldn't have - or want - enough litters in order to make use of an org's feature such as that.  But many dogs here do have what amounts to kennel or "owned by" names.  For instance, mine has the prefix "Eris's", and some of her relatives have "Honey's".  If I breed, I think for the offspring I would want them registered with Eridox as the prefix, so it would be more like a kennel name.  I've noticed quite a few dachshunds have -dox or -dachs as a kennel-like name for a prefix.

"My reason for this is that when  showing them in the  ring I can use their pet names without being seen as giving away their identity to the judge, which is not allowed"

Interesting.  :)

"I choose my pups names at birth and send off the registrations by two weeks of age so the new ownerts are unlikely to have any input.  I also name my pups with a particular letter of the alphabet and give them Polish names (as I am of Polish parentage) so I doubt the new owner unless bilingual would choose what I wanted."

A-ha.  That's something I would consider doing, except I *think* in order to do that (I could be totally wrong), I'd be seen as the owner of the puppies by the AKC, and therefore I think they'd charge the new owners a fee in order to transfer ownership.  I'll look into that eventually.  If I were to breed, I'd much prefer all my dachshund puppies to have a Germanic name (etymologically English, German, Scandinavian, etc. in origin), just as my two dachsie girls now do.  Just because.  :D  Again with the PHs, many of the breeders often use Egyptian-like names, or else the do a theme...

The other thing is, if I don't think a puppy of mine was of breeding quality, I don't see the point in wasting the geld to register it with a group, as I would require the new owners to have it spayed.  ::shrugs::

>"None of my dogs are called by their registered names, and I named most of them myself!"

LJE, in the UK a dog's registered name has to be unique (no other dog within 10 years[I believe] can have the same name), and have to be at least two words long. For instance, my dog registered as 'Dalcross Bandleader' is known as Harry. 'Dalcross' is my affix (though I may never breed another litter) and nobody else is allowed to use that word.

>does that mean personal property in the form of dogs is [completely] regulated in Britain (and therefore the owners don't really own their dogs)?

Registered names is nothing to do with ownership. For instance, a house will have the same address, whoever owns it. The registered name goes with the dog  - ownership has nothing to do with it. The owner can call the dog by whatever name they like. A child's registered name (on their bitrth certificate) could be William, but the family call him Chuck ...

>similar to what I've heard about TVs there?  (lol)

We all own our TVs and buy a licence to make watching them legal.
:)

Well in my breed every single pup is registered then you know what size litters are being born, how many pups each year etc.  thats the stats bit.

Affixes are to link all my breeding to me, as I am proud of all my pups, and each is unique and special so entilted in my eyes to have a registration (birth certificate).  Yes the new owners do have to pay to transfer the ownership as the breeder IS THE PUPS OWNER until it is sold when the papers go with pup.  Many new owners never transfer pups over to their names, doesn't make them any less theirs, though the Kennel club must by now think I own more than 20 dogs rather than the five and 1/4 that I actually own. :D

"LJE, in the UK a dog's registered name has to be unique (no other dog within 10 years[I believe] can have the same name), and have to be at least two words long. For instance, my dog registered as 'Dalcross Bandleader' is known as Harry. 'Dalcross' is my affix (though I may never breed another litter) and nobody else is allowed to use that word."

Oh, I see.  Interesting!
With the AKC it's... I think 37 dogs of the same breed can have the same name, and they just attach roman numerals to them to tell them apart.  Something like that, anyway.  I haven't read the rules for the CKC or ACA or any other group, so I don't know how their system works.

That reminds me - my youngest would've been regged with the ACA, not the CKC.  Not that anyone here cares, but I just wanted to fix my blunder above.  heh

"Those breeders who can't be bothered to provide names are allocated names by KC stafff, and sicne last year an additional charge is made for this"

I didn't really see an answer to this though.  =)

"Well in my breed every single pup is registered then you know what size litters are being born, how many pups each year etc.  thats the stats bit."

This makes me wonder as well... I guess what I'm asking is, does it mean if you don't want to register your litter, the KC staff barges in your house and hands you a document with the names they choose for your pups written on it? (so to speak, of course!)

"We all own our TVs and buy a licence to make watching them legal."

Alrighty... well, that would mean one of two things (or perhaps both):  either you don't own your TVs, or else the broadcasters don't own their programs.  Either way, doesn't sound fun, so I'll just stay where I am.  hehe  Not that it's a whole lot better here... :P

"Yes the new owners do have to pay to transfer the ownership as the breeder IS THE PUPS OWNER until it is sold when the papers go with pup."

Sorry about that; I meant to say, if the pup has to be transferred twice.  So it sounds like I really should go and look up what in the heck I'm talking about on that.  :)

Lets start from the beginning.  You mate a registered bitch to a registered dog.  On payment of the stud fee the dogs owner signs the form showing that mating took place and on which the resulting litter is registered by the breeder with each pup being given a unique name of not more than 26 letters inclusive of the breeders affix.  You give the Kennel Club two choices of name for each pup in case your first choice is refused.  It is £12 to regiter each pup.

In a few weeks time you get back registration certificates for each puppy.  When you sell the pup you hand over the certificate for each pup, signed on the back so that new owner can transfer the ownership (£10).  Breeders in my breed at least in the USA opt to name and register the pups, and when we bought a pup from one to import to UK we paid the AKC to transfer it to our nmes in much the same weay as here in UK.

A breeder especially a puppy farmer who doesn't care what his pups are named will just submit the form to the Kennel club with number of pups and their sexes but no names, and the staff had to think names up, which took time, so now they charge the lazy SOBs :D

No one makes you register a litter, but if you don't register them what did you breed them for?  Definately not to improve the breed.  Many breeders to ensure unsuitable pups are not bred from and their offspring registered will put endorsements (restrictions on the registration).  I think in US this is called limited registration.  Many do this routinely with the whole litter including the ones kept themsleves.  then if they turn out well pass health screning these can be removed.

Thanks for the info, Brainless!

"A breeder especially a puppy farmer who doesn't care what his pups are named will just submit the form to the Kennel club with number of pups and their sexes but no names, and the staff had to think names up, which took time, so now they charge the lazy SOBs :-D"

LOL.  Gotcha.

"but if you don't register them what did you breed them for?  Definately not to improve the breed."

That I disagree with.

"Many breeders to ensure unsuitable pups are not bred from and their offspring registered will put endorsements (restrictions on the registration).  I think in US this is called limited registration."

Yep, that's it.  =)

LJE, only pups whose parents are both KC registered can themselves be registered. So any unregistered dogs are effectively removed from the breed's gene pool, no matter how stunning they may turn out to be.
:)

Right, I undesrtand.  It works the same way here.  :)

As there are lots of homeless dogs so to breed more unregistered ones that are in effect little more than mongrels is not breeding for any purpose that cannot be fulfilled by well bred and planned litters of registered pedigree pups. :D

I'm not sure what you're getting at.  When did I say I would breed unregistered dogs?  Or when did I say I would 'allow' any of my puppies to become homeless?

"so to breed more unregistered ones that are in effect little more than mongrels"

Whoa.

If you don't want to register your litter (and I'd wonder why not, because at the very least a registered puppy is worth more than an unregistered one) the Kennel Club (and we have only one - there are other registries but they have no more meaning than one I might set up) won't know about it, because the breeder won't have told them about the litter. There's no legal requirement to register pups.

As regards the TVs - a person buys a TV set. It's their own property. But they're not allowed to view programmes on it without a TV licence. The person owns the set, but the broadcaster owns the programmes!

As for transfer of ownership - each time ownership of a dog is transferred the new owner pays a fee. But the dog's registered name remains the same.

"If you don't want to register your litter (and I'd wonder why not, because at the very least a registered puppy is worth more than an unregistered one) the Kennel Club (and we have only one - there are other registries but they have no more meaning than one I might set up) won't know about it, because the breeder won't have told them about the litter. There's no legal requirement to register pups."

Understood.

(If it were me, the selling-for-more-money thing would be a non-issue.  I realize to many people it wouldn't be, though.)

"As regards the TVs - a person buys a TV set. It's their own property. But they're not allowed to view programmes on it without a TV licence. The person owns the set, but the broadcaster owns the programmes!"

If you bought a TV, but you can't do X, Y, and Z with it on your own property... well then, you simply don't own the TV.  :D  As it happens, my husband and I had a legal discussion about something related to that the other day - selling property with strings attached, and in particular, I wondered if such a thing could be done with dogs.  Eeenywho, long story, and I don't mean to get even further off-topic.  heh

"As for transfer of ownership - each time ownership of a dog is transferred the new owner pays a fee. But the dog's registered name remains the same."

Gotcha.  :)  Thanks.

No no, you own the TV set. The plastic box with the electronics is yours outright. You can use it as a table, or a seat, or whatever you like. But you don't own the right to watch the programmes. For that you need a licence. Just as you can buy a car and park it in a field forever. It's yours. But if you want to drive it, you need a licence, and road tax, an MOT certificate (roadworthiness) etc ...

None of my dogs pet names relate to their KC names, and I named foru fo them  myself as the breeder.  My reason for this is that when  showing them in the  ring I can use their pet names without being seen as giving away their identity to the judge, which is not allowed. :D

I choose my pups names at birth and send off the registrations by two weeks of age so the new ownerts are unlikely to have any input.  I also name my pups with a particular letter of the alphabet and give them Polish names (as I am of Polish parentage) so I doubt the new owner unless bilingual would choose what I wanted.

Our dogs name is Guide Liner at Glensanda although he is called Leo, the breeder was temporarily calling him Monty which didn't suit him at all - but the breeder chose the kennel name