Im not a lover of the Monarchy. But it is Prince Charles right to be next in line to be king.

He's expected to grin and bear it while the filthy gutter-press say that the woman he loves is ugly. Perhaps if everyone (including the press) showed some basic good manners the situation would never have arisen. He's a human being, just like you, so judge his feelings as you would your own. How would you react?

Sorry Jeangenie, if that remark was addressed to me particularly, I hope I would fume in private and try to keep some composure in public and accept the fact that I had to postpone the wedding by one day as a side-effect of my position in life.

Lokis Mum, I do not consider myself gullible and I do consider the facts before I come to a decision about things.  As I seem to be the only person in the whole country who is not pleased with Charles and Camilla and what is happening, why are they not having a big public wedding where we can all cheer and have the day off work?  I could then sulk at home while all the rest of you celebrate!

I expect you will be anyway! ;)

The folks at Aintree must be a bit annoyed too, as they've now decided to delay the start of the Grand National so that it doesn't clash with the wedding.
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I expect you will be anyway - what do you mean by that, is that some kind of personal attack?  If Charles is allowed his view, then why aren't I?

That was in reply to your stated wish to allowed to sulk at home.
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I think, as I am sure you really know, that my remark was an attempt at being light hearted, not a window for you to have a "dig" in such a friendly fashion!

My reply was in the same light-hearted vein!
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Hardly

All I can say to quote Gone with the Wind, Frankly my Dear I don't give a damn after all they are from a corrupt family(Great Uncle(The Queens Uncle who abdicated) was a Nazi sympathiser & his G G G dad was a man of very loose morals(Q Victoria Son that is)& no scruples at all)

Who has a family that isn't corrupt somewhere :D

Daisy

I think every family has at least one black sheep! :D

Well the Windsors previously the Hanovarians have a whole flock of black sheep !

And as for those naughty Tudors ...! ;) :D

No CSmad, you're not the only one who is not pleased, all the newspapers are one with you!!!:D :D

Frankly, in my view, they would have been better to have done the same as Princess Anne did, when she got married in Scotland, but because again, the Establishment/Tradition came into it, because he is the titular head of the Church of England, then we have to go through all the palaver of the wedding being change from St George's Chapel, to the Registry Office, from Friday to Saturday.

Now I think I would be really pi**ed off if I had wanted to get married in Windsor Registry Office on a Saturday lunchtime and been told that the Registry Office staff don't "do" Saturday afternoons, and then to find that the rules were relaxed for HRH!!!

I'm not attacking anyone, so please don't think I am !

Margot

So I am now aligned with the "filthy gutter press" and not a free thinking, intelligent member of society anymore?  Thank you so much.  I think that on this forum nobody is allowed a different view without becoming the subject of personal attack.  None of you know me and I am amazed that you cannot have a civil discussion without resorting to sniping at someone who does not agree with you.

One problem is that he doesn't even get much of a private life :( Everybody wants to have control of every thing that he says and does - he's still human. He has been in this position all his life - imagine that ! I would absolutely hate to be in his shoes and I would not swop his life for mine. The Queen may be better 'at it' - but she is a completely different personality and I'm not sure that I would like her for a mother :)

Daisy

You are quite right there, I agree it must be difficult to be under the microscope all the time and be cricised for every big or little thing you do wrong.  There are not many of us, myself included, who could stand up under that level of scrutiny, but I feel that over the big things he should be more dignified and composed if he wants respect and the implied lack of feeling for the Pope will not endear him to a lot of people.  If he doesn't want to do the job, he doesn't have to, after all there is the Heir, and loads of Spares!!

"implied lack of feeling for the Pope will not endear him to a lot of people"

isn't that what the reporters are after?

Perhaps the papers would pay me handsomely for my views then!!

It could be argued from the other side - the wedding-date was already known when the funeral was arranged ... ;)

Hence my point that around the world the Pope is of greater significance than the Prince of Wales .....

Only really to Catholics. People of other religions are only mildly affected. How many other couples have been forced to change their wedding plans because of the funeral?

Only those who represent their country at the level of the Prince of Wales.  The rest of the world are hardly going to think that they should not have the Pope's funeral on the same day as the rather "hushed up" wedding of Charles, which even his own mother won't attend!

The Italians have elections this week - they haven't postponed them :)

Daisy

and we all have those family problems at weddings :D My aunt sat at the back of the church at mine and wouldn't come to the reception, as she wasn't speaking to my father :)

Daisy

Very true, I actually think the Queen should attend his wedding, I hope nothing would keep me away from my daughter's wedding, even if I didn't like her future husband.  They all seem to be acting badly over this wedding, including the public and press, let's hope the couple concerned can be happy at the end of the day, despite it all.

Well, that's the main thing :) He's as entitled to happiness, just as much as anyone else and I just cannot understand (well I can :) ) the media's determination to make him out as some sort of monster, just because he wants to marry the same woman that he's been fond of for years (OK - he's had an affair, but so have many others, including previous Kings, presidents etc) - it's not as though there is any suggestion that he's had affairs with anyone else :( Good luck to him - he's going to need it :) Unfortunately, the problem with a monarchy is that the personality and qualities of the heir are decided by nature, not by the public. Having said that, the American people don't seem to make such a good job of choosing their leaders for their personal morals :D

Daisy

But Charles & Camilla aren`t just *other couples* tho. He is the future king of England & has duties to uphold, they are supposed to come before his personal life. Remember the pope besides being head of the catholic church is also head of state, that state being the vatican.

Christine, Spain.

Good point about the Vatican being an independent state, Christine; that's easy to forget. :o The Queen is always represented at funerals of Heads of State, so of course that's the reason Prince Charles is attending, nothing to do with the Pope also being head of the Catholic church. Thanks for jogging my memory.
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Tis just a *little* detail that got overlooked by a few J/G  ;) :D

I posted anothe reply on here but its gone so I`ll say it here.

Charles should have changed the wedding day as soon as the funeral date was announced, it was only when he knew the prime minsister, arch bishop of canterbury & other invited guests would be attending the funeral he changed it. His duty as future king should be first to his counrty & his personal life comes second. And not only duty first but seen to be putting duty first. He shouldn`t have to be reminded about it!

Christine, Spain.

I thought he did change it immediately, didn't he? The date of the funeral was announced on the radio news first thing in the morning, and the wedding-date change about an hour later.

I though it didn`t change till later in the afternoon? I had sky news on & think it was about 2 ish your time or later? In the morning Clarence house were insisting plans wouldn`t change......also they`d been saying if the funeral was held on the friday it still wouldn`t be changed?

Christine, Spain.

I'm sure I heard about the funeral date at 7am when I got up, and that the wedding-date had been changed before I got to work at 9am.

Thanks for putting your point of view, Christine, I didn't think I could really be the only one in the world who felt like that!

Don`t think you are scmad :)

I just think he`s lost a lot of peoples respect regards his personal life, think thats why his mum n dad aren`t too pleased with him & really can`t see a lot of people liking the fact Camilla being our Queen.
Nobodies entitled to happiness, it isn`t a right, life isn`t always fair either. As future king he does have duties, ethical & moral to both his counrty & his people but duty doesn`t seem to be in favour or taught anymore :(

Christine, Spain.

Talking of funerals & heads of state etc Prince Rainier of Monaco has just died, don`t know when the funeral is but could be it `ll be when he`s on honeymoon, oh dear :(   

Christine, Spain.

Oh no, not more arguments!  I guess it is difficult for them to find time to have this wedding!  It is interesting to note that the Prime Minister, Archbishop of Canterbury, etc would have put the Pope's funeral before Charles' wedding if it had not been cancelled, even though they are not catholics and even though they are British their first allegiance was not to Charles.  The etiquette of the situation must have been that the funeral of the Pope took precedence, I suppose.  Also you would think C and C would not have wanted their wedding on the day of this funeral anyway, hardly a good omen, and  it would have just given people more room to criticise.

I think this is where duty comes into it /cs. Each country for a major event has a representative from royalty/politics/religion attend funerals/wedding etc, the popes death is a major thing worlwide thats why Blair & bishop of cant. are going, bush etc as well, I don`t think there was any doubt they wouldn`t.
Omens???? Very personally think there are enough bad ones that if it was me I`d be thinking twice & would call it divine intervention!!!!!!!
Thats just me thinking aloud tho ;) :D

Christine, Spain.

Just out of interest, were the PM and Archbishop of Canterbury on Charles' guest list in the first place? I'm in your hands here, because I haven't seen the list published anywhere, and maybe you have.
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Yep J/G they both were, first blair for governmental support & arch bishop of cant. is giving blessing to the marriage & nope I`m definately sure it was after 2 in afternnon before they said it would be changed, as late as lunchtime they were still saying no charge as reports were at windsor building platform stands for cameras.
Havn`t seen list just whats in papers, Spains turned their invite down, think they`ve fell out over something!

Christine, Spain.

Poor man, he too had been ill for a long time. :(

lol no Margot, not at all lol

Perhaps he was more furious that yet again people would take the opportunity to smirk, sneer, make fun of, moan about and speculate about the wedding. I imagine he's just about had enough!

I know I would!!

Margot

Something really weird is happening to this thread - I respond to one post, then find that my response is dropped in the middle somewhere, they are all over the place!!!

CSMad, please - I'm not trying to have a go at you - this was (I thought) a relatively light-hearted thread, with each of us putting our own point of view!!!

Please don't see it as anything more than that. :) :)

Margot

That's how I see it too, Margot. After all, it doesn't affect any of us in any way, so there's no need for defensiveness.
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and no need for all these attacks either ...

Sorry, but I don't think anyone's attacked anyone - there's been no name-calling or anything like that. Disagreeing with a point of view isn't an attack on a person, surely? If you think so, then I'm sorry, but it's not meant like that at all. :( After all, in a civilised discussion you get all sorts of points of view, but it's not compulsory to agree with any of them.

No need to be sorry. I think it is a case of realising that people do not always perceive remarks in the way in which they were intended to be perceived .... (or perhaps they do sometimes?)