how much should i expect to pay for the use of a stud dog?  it'll be his first time and is yet unproven,  he is of good breeding, low hip scores dna profiled and clear eyes.  it'll be a second litter for my bitch and just wondered what the usual would be.  less than the going rate of 400-500 or the full amount when there are pups in the nest? the dog is beautiful and the owner of him is happy with my bitch and i really wanted to sort something out beforehand.

not sure about flatties but in most breeds its the price of a puppy,as a guide,maybe less though as hes unproven

The system I've come across with unproven studs in the past is a £50 non-returnable fee for 'time-and-trouble', with the balance (usually somewhat less that a proven stud with quality offspring - say another £150) payable on confirmation of pregnancy/whelping. Of course, in the case of the bitch missing, a free return visit next season (usual conditions of ownership) is invariably offered.

The important thing is to get everything in writing.
Hope this helps.
:)

In my breed it's the full price of a puppy, or a bit more if he's a champion!!  even if it is the dogs first time.  Though have just started charging a £75 non-refundable deposit and the rest of the payment on the birth of the pups,

Edited to say you must get this in writing at the time of mating and I don't hand over any paperwork until the monies are paid.

Dont be shy, just ask the owner.

Is there a particular reason you are using this stud dog? Has your bitch had her hips scored and eyes tested? Why do you want to breed from your bitch? These are questions a good stud dog owner is likely to ask you. If the dog owner has gone to all the trouble of testing their dog they will not want to use him with an untested bitch. It is your responsibilty to use a tested dog on your bitch.

The stud fee should not be a main consideration, if you are breeding for the "right reasons" and not just so that you can have puppies because it is fun to do so.

Are you prepared to take back a puppy however old it is at the time it needs a new home? That could even be when the dog has reached 5 years old for example.

Stud fees vary, some people charge the price of one puppy, which is not how much you will be able to charge but will be how much they would expect to get. Others make a basic charge then so much per puppy born, others have a standard charge regardless of whether or not you get puppies. So your question the sort of question nobody here can really answer.

Your best plan of action would be to contact Mrs Shirley Johnson of the Flatcoated Retriever Society, and ask her for help. She runs the litter register, and you might need to advertise your puppies through this, and she has a great knowledge of the breed and would be more than willing to advise you for the best.

Mrs Johnson's phone number is 01638 718231

Polly & Foxpath Flatcoated Retrievers.

Actually re-reading your post, I would be asking if this person has never had a stud dog, and you have only bred one litter previously, have either of you considered how this might change the dog involved? Especially if he is not used again?

I still think you should ask for advice from Mrs Johnson.

Stud fee is important, well I think so. At one time an unproven dog gave his service free to a proven bitch, simply to get him proven. What is annoying is when a full stud fee is paid at the time of mating, to a champion dog, only to find the bitch misses, and on the return a stud that has not even shown is used, with no refund of part of the fee for a 'lesser' stud, and this goes and misses! The champion dog not offered because the stud owner wanted to try a younger stud. So bitch next time goes to another dog and guess what... puppies! So, the bitch owner takes another but proven bitch to get her stud fee, now the old dog has died so only the young one is available. yep. no pups. So, how does one stand there? A massive £600 lost, plus 3 litters, and all the traveling, vets fees for scans, blood tests and swabs etc for the bitch. Thats when money comes into it.

i think its a fair way to have a service stud  fee of so much,then either so much per puppy,or the total fee of the stud,once the pups or born.not the total fee at mating

i had a stud dog couple of year ago and then it be the stud fee up front but i would not bank the money untill the bitch haf pups.

i like and i have done is a service stud fee then then so much per puppy after 4 week old,a lot can happen in 4 weeks lost of puppie(i did kennel cough two years ago at 4 week i know it was not the stud dog fault)
this way the stud owner get money and the bitch owner not lost to much,if some thing goes wronge,this way of stud fee gos on in sweden,

the cost per pup is the dived rate of a stud fee.
example avage stud fee £600,
service fee £ 60,
per  pup £60 after 4 weeks.
avaege litter of 8 to 10 £520 to £600, both stud/btch owner gain.
but if ther only 1 £60 plus service ,the bitch owner not at a lost, and the stud owner still got £ 120.,i know that the stud owner not gaining alot ,but  it give the bitch  owner  not to go back and use him again beacuse they have not lost hunderds of pounds on a stud fee to have a free go again,
like year i bought over a swedish fcr what happen if the bitch owner paid up front the total stud fee and the bitch didnt have pups and then he went back to sweden,the bitch owner lost lot of money beacuse she cannot use him again,the same if a stud dog ill or dies.
i thing a stud service fee and so much per pup.

i have done the swabs, blood tests,scanns,travel.vet fee cost to fed a bitch in whelp,it add up,
what a about all studs dog have a sperm collection count to see if it heathy for the dog gos to stud,

it take two to tango.

:D :D :D :D  RFLMAO at the thought of two very excited dogs executing the Tango prior to mating!!

:D :D :D

Margot (who must have her silly Easter hat on :D )

Terri - don't think the average stud fee for flatcoats is as much as £600 - that's puppy price, but usually stud fee is about £100 less, even for well proven field/show dogs

Don't ask me why - that's just the way it is.

Should we all change?

Jo and the Casblaidd Flatcoats

Jo - you are right - the average stud fee for a Flatcoat is normally about £100 less than puppy price.

Some people charge a service fee then so much per puppy.  Some people pay a service fee (normally £50) and then a flat fee after the birth of the puppies.

It is considered very bad form to ask for the full fee as soon as the bitch is mated.  I always collect the stud fee when I have signed the service certificate.  I don't sign the service certificate until I have visited the puppies and satisfied myself that all is well.

Maybe the old fashioned way but that is what my mother instilled into me. 

Becky

Well I remember 20 years ago having to pay the full fee at the mating or there was no mating.  If your bitch didn't take then no money back unless they were a kind stud dog owner who would let you use him next time.  Luckily these days things do seem to have changed.

Blimey! In the 60s it was very much the same as horses - you paid a stud fee, but there was a free repeat service with a 'miss', as long as both stud and bitch were in the same ownership. That was with a proven stud, though. It was a reduced fee (maybe half usual fee) for a maiden dog.

Gosh I got a bargain then - lol.

For my staffie stud I paid £150.00 upfront & when she did not catch I got a free mating & he said I could take her back next time if she still did not catch!

He advised me on premate tests, has phoned to see how she is doing, & answerd loads of questions from me.

& yes he was a good dog, 2cc's, proven, hip & eye tested & matched my girls pedigree fine. Chosen with help from a long standing staffie club member.

The stud owner checked all my paperwork & test results, looked her over to see if he thought she was close to the breed standard & lectured me on breeding before letting it go ahead.

He will also come out & see the pups if I want him to as he does not live too far away from me.

Lets hope the pups are good ones so I can use him again!

Jo

Actually, Becky - the old fashioned way was to collect stud fees up front - I have always paid this way with every stud fee up when I've outcrossed.   Sometimes I've been well out of pocket (ages ago with Kerries) as the bitch didn't hold, and no chance of repeat mating.

The 'handling fee' way is fairer by an large, but there could the odd occasion when a 'no foal free return ' type is more suitable.

Jo and the Casblaidd Flatcoats

Depends where you go for your studs Jo!!  Since the 1960's we have always used the method I have mentioned!!

Different breeds demand different criteria!

Becky

did right a example avage stud and i didnt state a fcr as i have not had a fcr stud for 2 year of my own,and that was rush,