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Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / Update on New dog with Problems post
- By bevb [gb] Date 27.03.05 09:19 UTC
All happy and excited Charly (my 13yr old daughter) and I set off to pick up Tyro from the RSPCA yesterday. A behavourist met us there and transported him back and stayed for a couple of hours.
He seemed to settle quite quickly for a dog who had been so badly treated in a house before.
However early afternoon he suddenly decided he was going to be top of this house and got very dominant, was jumping on Charly and nipping at her, then he started on me and started getting very aggresive when i turned my back on him. He bit me twice within 20 mins on the arm when I moved as he leapt on me to try naughty stuff, he also nipped hard many times, started growling and bit me on the leg. The behavourist I got on the other end of the phone, but he bit me again while i was in the kitchen with him and talking to her, then had another go at Charly when she went by the other side of the stairgate. He was getting more dangerous by the minute and i couldn't risk Charlys safety or anyone elses, The behavourist said he was getting far to dangerous and rang the rspca to collect him, by this point he was attacking if you tried to get in the same room as him. We followed them back and signed him back over.
I felt such a failure but honestly have never ever felt fearful of a dog before but he by the time we got him back to the kennels was making me feel quite concerned.
Apparently we found out he had bitten someone else on tuesday at the vets as well as being extremely aggressive at the kennels when he had arrived at first.
Poor lad we really wanted to help him and give him a chance, but we couldn't risk our safety anymore or anyone elses. Must be the shortest ownership of any dog.
I do hope he will find someone who can deal with him and get through to him, but he was growling and went for them when they arrived .
Anyway we have decided we are definatly going to get a Jack russell puppy as our last one we had so much fun with and we had her nearly 15 very happy fun years before we sadly lost her.
I havn't been dogless in 30 odd years and it is awful, just wish we could have helped Tyro

Bev
- By Lokis mum [gb] Date 27.03.05 09:23 UTC
Hi there Bev - how sad - I can well understand how you feel :(

I feel that you and Tyro have been let down by RSPCA - there were obviously issues with Tyro that weren't disclosed to you, and IMO he shouldn't have been offered to you.

Poor chap - I do hope that the right home is out there for him - and good luck with finding a Jack Russell

Margot
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 27.03.05 09:30 UTC
What a dreadful scenario. :( Poor Tyro clearly needs a lot of rehabilitation before he can be offered for rehoming in a normal situation. You did absolutely the right thing returning him - he should never have been offered for homing in a house with a child if he was known to have bitten.

Good luck with your new puppy.
- By Lorelei [gb] Date 27.03.05 17:42 UTC
Im sorry it didnt work out. Dont blame yourself, I cant believe you were given a dog which had bitten without being told about it first.Quite apart form the harm to all those involved this could put a lot of people off having rescue dogs which is such a shame. Hope you dont have to wait too long for your pup.
- By sonja [gb] Date 27.03.05 20:13 UTC
I'm really sorry this didn't workout and you should have been told that the dog had bitten or attempted to bite, our bitch was aggressive but had not bitten. I feel you were very brave to send the dog back, this I understand was a very difficult thing to do for you and Charly. I wish you all the best in getting a new dog  love Sonja
- By LJS Date 28.03.05 20:00 UTC
Bev you did the best for him and you couldn't have done anymore :)

Lucy
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- By lel [gb] Date 28.03.05 21:03 UTC
How very odd that the dog should bite someone at the vets and yet they didnt tell you- even knowing you had a child :(
- By bevb [in] Date 29.03.05 20:40 UTC
Sorry just read your replies which made me re-read my post and i can see the way i have worded it has mislead you so i must set this straight.
When i first viewed him they told me he had been extremely aggresive when he had arrived at the kennels from his abusive home and that it was a while before anyone could touch him without being bitten as he mean't it.
However the kennel owner was insistant he would never ever bite again and was now perfectly safe.
When we went to collect him the kennel owner said he had bitten a vetinary nurse 2 days previously but she must have been doing something quite awful to him as it was out of character and he definatly wouldn't bite us, even though he hadn't been back in a home enviroment since his severe abuse.
Obviously he was not ready for the home enviroment though as he did get aggresive here and did bite again and was totally unpredictable.
I am cross as really they should have, with his history intergrated him slowly back into life in a home again or at least tried him before getting us to pay for him and take him. 
They based his temprement on him in a kennel having a couple of brief visits a day to be fed and a quick 5 min walk.

Bev
- By Seddie [gb] Date 29.03.05 23:16 UTC
Bev - firstly let me say you did absolutely the right thing in sending him back and I reiterate what the others have said.

From a different stance I think that this dog is acting like this because he is sh*t scared in new situations and is defending himself just in case someone or something abuses/hurts him in a new environment.  He is unable to trust anything new to start with because of his previous life.

He probably got to trust the peeps in the kennels so they decided he was safe.  But the point is he was only safe because he had had the time to acclimatise and get used to this environment.

He needs to be taken on by someone with no children who can let him acclimatise gradually, with no pressure - much like you would with a wild animal.   The RSPCA behavourist should have recognised this.

This poor dog needs a lot of support and understanding and the RSPCA, in my view, should get a new behaviourist.   Dog behaviour is not cut and dried, all dogs need to be treated as individuals with their very own personal profiles.

I think the RSPCA has been irresponsible through ignorance.   And it is definitely not your fault.

Wendy
- By bevb [in] Date 30.03.05 05:42 UTC
The Rspca havn't used a behaviourist with him, it was just me bringing him back here that did.  Also i got the opinion he was ok eventually in the kennels as he only saw people probaly max 30 mins per day spread through 2 or 3 visits which would be feeding and a very short walk otherwise he was left alone.
This was putting him under no pressure.
He was ok here for the first hour once we got him over the doorstep but then you could see him getting very stressed just seeing us just going about our buisness near him, we wasn't pestering him but was around doing what we would normally do.
He was not in Rspca kennels he was in a normal boarding kennel so they didn't actually do anything much with him.

Bev
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