Im thinking about putting endorsements on my puppies, do you think this is a good thing to do? I want to make sure they go to good homes, and not to be bred from unless they are really good and match the standard of the parents. What I want to know is, what happens if 2-3 years down the line someone breeds from one of my dogs with endorsements on, will the kennel club refuse to register them? should they come to me first and ask if they are allowed to breed? am I the only person who can lift the restriction or can the kennel club do it if the owner of the bitch insists?
Please can someone clarify the situation for me thanks
Also can I ask, how many breeders on here put endorsements on their puppies? and can you put endorsements on all of them except the one puppy you intend to keep for yourself or do you have to endorse all of them?
Thanks, sorry so many questions but cant seem to join for some reason it wont let me log in

Hi Guest............i always endorse my puppies, and yes if they should be bred from the Kc  will not register the pups.You are the only one who can lift the endorsement it cannot be done by the new owners or the kennel club....there is an exception to this however .....you MUST always make sure the new owners are aware of the endorsement at the time of purchase both verbally and included in the sales contract (which you must both sign ) otherwise the KC CAN over rule you and allow the endorsement to be lifted.
i hope that this explains it for you ?
regards
Pauline
sorry missed a bit.........you can endorse as many or as few as you like , it doesn't have to be the whole litter

I always put export and breeding restrictions on all my pups, which means unless they are lifted the KC will not register any off spring.  Only you (the breeder) can lift the restrictions but you must draw up some sort of contract which new owners must sign saying they know about the restrictions when the puppy goes to it's new home.  If you intend keeping a pup from the litter you don't have to put any restrictions on that pup, you only endorse the ones you want too.......which could be 1 or more

In my contracts I say I will lift the breeding restrictions only after all health checks have been done and they show me proof of documentation of all results and that the bitch must be no younger than 2 years old.

Whoops, both posted at the same time........:-)

Yes, I endorse my puppies and I also state in my contract the conditions I stipulate must be met before I will consider the lifting of the endorsements. (Health checks with satisfactory results, success in show ring and suitability for breeding etc.)

I always endorse mine and once I explain the reasons why they are more than happy about it because it shows I am a responsible breeder. 

My guess is that if you put restrictions on the sale of puppies, then you shouldn't be asking for top price.
Personally  I would prefer to see something along the lines of being allowed to check on the pups in the new home for the first say 6 months and if the pups arn't looked after properly, then having the right to take the pups back with partial refund.
Or alternatively sell the pups in partnership with the pups staying with the new owners, that way, ok means you get again less for the pups, but then if you or the new owners see a good stud dog or suitable bitch, you can say yes or no without having to resort to going to the Kennel Club to get the endorsments removed.
Just a couple of ideas you might like to consider as alternatives.

Bazza

Have yet another 'newbie' question! :)
If the breeder of an endorsed puppy wants to allow the new owner to breed a particular litter (assuming the dog has by now reached the right age and passes all health checks), can the breeder then lift the endorsement to allow this one particular litter to be registered etc, and then re-instate the endorsement for future litters?
hope the question makes sense! im trying to learn as much as I can!!! :)
Carol

Unfortunately not, once lifted that is that.  A now decesed freidn who was rather soft hearted lifted the endorsement from a bitch who had supposedly had an accidental litter with their male.  She wasn't health tested at the time.  Unfortunately 6 months later they had another accident.  After this if I was in that situation I would refuse to lift the endorsement until the health tests had been carried out, and if it meant they had to sell the pups unregistered or register them late then do be it, maybe they would be more careful another time.

Thank you, this has really cleared up my questions about endorsements, my opinion is that it is a very good idea!
Carol XXX

No, once the endorsement has been lifted it cannot be put back on if the dog has left you and is no longer in your ownership and physically living with you. One of the stipulations when first placing the endorsement is that the puppy is still with you when the endorsement is applied for.
Although I don`t know what the answer would be if the dog was put back into the breeders ownership and moved back with the consent/agreement of the owner for the period of time that it took to re-instate the endorsement. Only the KC can fully answer that one I think.

Sorry Bazza I totally disagree.  Most pups sold are sold as companions and only maybe one per litter wi9ll eve be bred from.  Only the most suitable should be bred from so endorsements are one way for a breeder to try to ensure that is what happens.  Having the endorsement doews not make the dog any less, so therby cheaper.  with that argument the breeder shoudl charge to ahve the endosement lifted, and to me that is morally wrong.

I won't lift endorsements until Hips and Eyes have been tested,a dn the bitch is of breeding age.  I find that most casual potential breeders when they realise the cost implications of the health testing alone, and then the price of a stud fee prefer to opt for the safer route of buying a new pup.

Bazza arangementst that you describe are clled 'Breeding Terms' and are the cause of morte problems, misunderstadnings and court cases than any other thing in dogs :D  Not something I would ever undulge in.  If a breeder really wants to they can always have a temporary 'Loan of Bitch' agreement where the bitch is their property only for a particular litter, and they are then listed as the breeder of the pups.

I would do this if I came to the end of my line.  I have bred one litter this way where I paid the owner the equivalent of a stud fee for using the bitch.

Brainless - totally agree with you. The endorsements do not mean the puppy is inferior - one of mine (still endorsed) went on to win group 4 at a Champ Show. It is the way a breeder can ensure that all the necessary health checks are undertaken and passed before the dog is used for breeding. 

Bazza, why do you think puppies with endorsed registrations are worth less than those without?

Once a puppy is sold it's fully the property of the new owner - there's no way a breeder could legally reclaim it after 6 months or so if they thought it wasn't being looked after properly. The only way that could be done would be to 'rent' the pup to the 'purchaser', with the registration staying in the name of the breeder. And who would agree to that?

How do I find out if there are any endorsements on my dog are they on the k.c reg doc.?

Yes, on the right under endorsements.

I endorse mine and the owners to be are shown contracts before hand which detail the endorsements and advise them of what they have to do for me to remove such endorsements.

Regarding the removal of the endorsements it's easy, a quick letter to the KC from the breeder and it's removed. 

I would never ever sell mine without endorsements.  They can show their dogs, work them or whatever, the endorsement doesn't stop[ them from doing everything that you can do with a dog, except breed from them without caring about the breed.

I was about to ask the same Jeangenie, I endorse all my pups, but don't sell them any cheaper! 

I agree with Brainless, why should an endorsed puppy be cheaper?Say you did sell them cheaper and 2 years down the line they came back wanting the endorsement lifted because they wanted to breed after having all the relevent checks done. What do you say.......Er Um Yes if you pay me the the outstanding amount due bringing the sale price up to the going rate, how embarrasing for all concerned!!!! What problems that would cause!
No, far better to endorse all the puppies, sell them all at the same price (as we all know no guarantees can be given with an 8 week old as to its future show status), and give written statement as what you will be prepared to do in the future with regard to the endorsements. This way everyone knows where they stand and hopefully all misunderstandings avoided.
Another thought ( not that I would do it as I would hear alarm bells), supposing someone comes to you with the sole intention of buying a bitch to breed from ........Do you charge them more as you are selling breeding potential along with the puppy? All too complicated for me, much rather my babies go to loving companion homes where they are doted on.

Dont know about the rest of you but I endorse my puppies for the reason they are good quality puppies and I think a lot of people do buy them because they know it.  I would hate for one of my pups to get into the wrong hands and I just feel if you explain to them about the endorsement they will agree if they are genuine people.  As I said before not once have I ever had someone say no way. My only regret is that once it is lifted it cannot be replaced.

I too endorse my puppies - and also state this quite clearly in the contract - which I send out to prospective buyers before they even see puppies.   I make a point of stating this in the accompanying letter/email, so that there can be absolutely no doubt about it!

Come to that, I've just remembered that I'd better remember to lift the restrictions on my own puppies' registrations, should I decide to breed from them .....which won't be for a looooong time yet!

Margot

I agree, spot - it would be an exceelent idea to be able to "re-endorse" if, say you were not happy with the way the first litter was reared, or when you felt the stud had been used enough. It may also help with some of the disagreements with dogs in partnership, as the partnership would not always be necessary.